Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[Orez]

chp is not the one who have been ruling the country for the past 15 years.. its akp its them who placed gulenst in evry positions, its them who nogoiated with the pkk, its them who opened the door for 3milion refugees with their open door policy some of them even jihadist, its them akp and erdogan gangs who got us in the mess we are in syria right now. its erdogan and his circle that nagotiated the eu over the refugees. over false promise of visa free travel,. im still wating for that visa free. with all of this some people have the audacity to plame others . like chp or kemalist atheist etc...

But today CHP is the one which support HDP's deputy, people who "PKK can drown Turkey with its split".

Yes AKP had many fault, and they were critisized many time in this topic, you can see it you turn back the page.....but this time AKP has done a good job but CHP play the traitor by supporting people like Abdullak Zeydan.

 

[blondeturkish]

But today CHP is one which support HDP's deputy, people who "PKK can drown Turkey with its split".

Yes AKP had many fault, and they were critisized many time in this topic, you can see it you turn back the page.....but this time AKP has done good job but CHP play the traitor by supporting people like Abdullak Zeydan.

mate if hdp pkk ypg watever the fvck they are called have friends its the akp, let me remid you something back in 2014 when isil was sieging kobane pkk ypg fighters were brought in our hospital some of them even wanted by our security foces they were treated by us, with our own taxi money... so tell me who is friend is who?

 

[T-123456]

But today CHP is the one which support HDP's deputy, people who "PKK can drown Turkey with its split".

Yes AKP had many fault, and they were critisized many time in this topic, you can see it you turn back the page.....but this time AKP has done a good job but CHP play the traitor by supporting people like Abdullak Zeydan.

And what is a ''good job'' when these arrests are just for show,they were arrested for not testifying.
After a statement,they will all be set free which will only take two weeks at most,after which they will be declared hero's by their supporters,then what,are you still going to claim that the AKP did a good job?

 

[Orez]

mate if hdp pkk ypg watever the fvck they are called have friends its the akp, let me remid you something back in 2014 when isil was sieging kobane pkk ypg fighters were brought in our hospital some of them even wanted by our security foces they were treated by us, with our own taxi money... so tell me who is friend is who?

And today AKP's govt is the one which arrest HDP' deputy, and CHP play the traitor by supporting them.

I never say AKP is blamless, but its pathetic to defend CHP by saying "AKP has done it too".

 

[OguzSenturk]

If Government will let Judgement to release PKK Terrorists, Erdoğan will lose the referandum. It is that easy, i dont think he is stupid enough to let that happen.

 

[Orez]

And what is a ''good job'' when these arrests are just for show,they were arrested for not testifying.
After a statement,they will all be set free which will only take two weeks at most,after which they will be declared hero's by their supporters,then what,are you still going to claim that the AKP did a good job?

Let wait and see.
And are you not one which say AKP will never arrest HDP the last time we was speaking ?

 

[T-123456]

Let wait and see?
And are you not one which say AKP will never arrest HDP the last time we was speaking ?

I dont know if i made such a statement but you are right,i dont believe the AKP will ever really arrest HDP members.
Like i stated above,i dont buy this so called arrest,if they testify,they are all free and it will happen this way.
They will not be charged for supporting the PKK,they will come out as hero's thanks to the AKP.
You can mark these words.

 

[Baybars Han]

chp is not the one who have been ruling the country for the past 15 years.. its akp its them who placed gulenst in evry positions, its them who nogoiated with the pkk, its them who opened the door for 3milion refugees with their open door policy some of them even jihadist, its them akp and erdogan gangs who got us in the mess we are in syria right now. its erdogan and his circle that nagotiated the eu over the refugees. over false promise of visa free travel,. im still wating for that visa free. with all of this some people have the audacity to plame others . like chp or kemalist atheist etc...

You just said everything in my mind.
AKP hain bir parti. Cogu cikarci, paraci, dolandirici haindir milletvekkileri. Iclerinde cok pkkci da var. Baslari hep Turk dusmanidir.

CHP nin icindeki hainlerden bazilari

They are both as bad as each other.

 

[blondeturkish]

You just said everything in my mind.
AKP hain bir parti. Cogu cikarci, paraci, dolandirici haindir milletvekkileri. Iclerinde cok pkkci da var. Baslari hep Turk dusmanidir.some islamist actually think akp is inocent and that they are the only nationality in the country

CHP nin icindeki hainlerden bazilari

They are both as bad as each other.

some islamist actualy think that akp is the only nationality in the country and evrybody else is a traitor

 

[Orez]

You just said everything in my mind.
AKP hain bir parti. Cogu cikarci, paraci, dolandirici haindir milletvekkileri. Iclerinde cok pkkci da var. Baslari hep Turk dusmanidir.

CHP nin icindeki hainlerden bazilari

They are both as bad as each other.

True but at least AKP can pretend they wanted to succed in the peace talk at that time, or even they undestand their mistake and arrest HDP....But what is CHP justification ? Why Killicdaroglu protect the HDP's deputy today ?

Anyways it stupid to defend CHP by saying "AKP has done it too".....Today AKP has done a good job to arrest HDP's deputy and CHP should be congratulad AKP or even critized AKP to don't do it sooner rather than defend HDP.

 

[blondeturkish]

True but at least AKP can pretend they wanted to succed in the peace talk at that time, or even they undestand their mistake and arrest HDP....But what is CHP justification ? Why Killicdaroglu protect the HDP's deputy today ?

Anyways it stupid to defend CHP by saying "AKP has done it too".....Today AKP has done a good job to arrest HDP's deputy and CHP should be congratulad AKP or even critized AKP to don't do it sooner rather than defend HDP.

ok thats the domestic policy, lets talk about foreing policy syria failure righ now while we are discussing this there is an opertation to take raqqa back and we are not even part of it, iraq same not part of it, egypt non existance relations big failure, israel idont know i heard that we are on good terms with tem but with akp and erdogan you will never know, eu well our relations with eu used to be all about trade goods exports emports all used to be all of that good staff, but rigth now its all about refugees this refugee that refugees and while we took the refugees, we have nothing to show for it erdogan told us that he will get us free visa form eu and even small thing like that he failed.....

 

[Orez]

ok thats the domestic policy, lets talk about foreing policy syria failure righ now while we are discussing this there is an opertation to take raqqa back and we are not even part of it, iraq same not part of it, egypt non existance relations big failure, israel idont know i heard that we are on good terms with tem but with akp and erdogan you will never know, eu well our relations with eu used to be all about trade goods exports emports all used to be all of that good staff, but rigth now its all about refugees this refugee that refugees and while we took the refugees, we have nothing to show for it erdogan told us that he will get us free visa form eu and even small thing like that he failed.....

AKP has fuckeg big after 2011 thank to arab spring.
"Zero Problem" was awesome and ambitous policy, for the first time we had a good relationship with Syria, Iran, Russia....then come the arab spring.
After Ben Ali of Tunisia, Moubarak of Egypt, Khadafi of Libya.....everybody (and not just Erdogan) was thinking Assad will lose his throne too.
Of course USA and France was already making pression to Turkey to abondon Assad (Erdogan was still calling Assad his brother at that time) but finally choice to follow USA convinced that Assad will lose.
At the same time seing that the new govt in Tunisia and Egypt was lead by MB he choose to close relationship with Israel, hoping to make Turkey the new leader of the region (which lead to Erdogan rock star visite in the new democratie countrys).
But Assad managed to rest in power, and worst Egypt's democratie experience was lost thank to Sisi.
Turkey lose Russia and Iran too because they sided with Assad, and then UE relation gone bad because they accuse Turkey to support Isis against the Kurds, and to don't keep the refuges.

AKP didn't make thousand error in foreign policy, they only make one big mistake which lead to this situation today.

Side note : the refugees deal is a good deal. Yes Turkey will certainly not have neither visa free or advance in Eu negocation....but this is only thing which protect Turkey against UE's economic sanction after HDP's deputy are imprisoned.

 

[blondeturkish]

AKP has fuckeg big after 2011 thank to arab spring.
"Zero Problem" was awesome and ambitous policy, for the first time we had a good relationship with Syria, Iran, Russia....then come the arab spring.
After Ben Ali of Tunisia, Moubarak of Egypt, Khadafi of Libya.....everybody (and not just Erdogan) was thinking Assad will lose his throne too.
Of course USA and France was already making pression to Turkey to abondon Assad (Erdogan was still calling Assad his brother at that time) but finally choice to follow USA convinced that Assad will lose.
At the same time seing that the new govt in Tunisia and Egypt was lead by MB he choose to close relationship with Israel, hoping to make Turkey the new leader of the region (which lead to Erdogan rock star visite in the new democratie countrys).
But Assad managed to rest in power, and worst Egypt's democratie experience was lost thank to Sisi.
Turkey lose Russia and Iran too because they sided with Assad, and then UE relation gone bad because they accuse Turkey to support Isis against the Kurds, and to don't keep the refuges.

AKP didn't make thousand error in foreign policy, they only make one big mistake which lead to this situation today.

Side note : the refugees deal is a good deal. Yes Turkey will certainly not have neither visa free or advance in Eu negocation....but this is only thing which protect Turkey against UE's economic sanction after HDP's deputy are imprisoned.

and thats the promblem akp erdogan dont think about long term gains, and still we didnt gain any in all of the erdogan rehortic we lost billion of dollars of trade with egypt, and we had no business in egypt envolving their internal afairs same with israel erdogan wanted to be seen heroes by the palestinian and he got that, but what else we turks actualy dont like other coutries medlle our internal afairs, so why ahould we do it?

 

[Orez]

and thats the promblem akp erdogan dont think about long term gains, and still we didnt gain any in all of the erdogan rehortic we lost billion of dollars of trade with egypt, and we had no business in egypt envolving their internal afairs same with israel erdogan wanted to be seen heroes by the palestinian and he got that, but what else we turks actualy dont like other coutries medlle our internal afairs, so why ahould we do it?

That this biggest Erdogan's fault in foreign policy.

Frankly I don't realy blame him for arab spring mistake, because every body was thinking Assad was goner but what I blame him is the fact Erdogan have too much ego and unable to take a step back.

Yes Sisi is dictator who made a coup d'Etat but he is Egypt's new leader and Erdogan should have deal with him to try made business for Turkey's sake.
Unfortunaly today this become impossible after the gulenist coup, by principe we cannot anymore reconcile with Egypt before some years.

Same with Israel, to turn him back to Israel was a good pragmatic décision in 2011, that permited Turkey to have a better reputation with Egypt, Tunisia (and other arab country which hate Israel)...but after constating that arab spring has failed and that arab country have nothing to give to turkey he should have reconnected with Israel. But at least this is done today even this is late.

Erdogan should fired Hamas and MB too...I don't really care about them, but Turkey has a weakness with PKK we cannot let country like Egypt and Israel to found PKK to strike back against Turkey.

The ideal for me, would have been to see Davotoglu to win over Erdogan because Erdogan is too much emotional and unable to take step back when needed for Turkey's sake.

 

[TrMhMt]

You guys are right.In the past ak party sh*t in everything but everything. I was one who criticized their policies everyday here. Let's put the past aside and focus on the current policies of ak party. Aren't they on the correct paht?Don't you think that they are doing the right things right now?

My personal opinion is that they are on the correct path.They have wasted their credits already even ak party fans are well aware of it.So this time they are doing the right things.Let's give 'em one last chance if again they make us down let's give together a big butt kick.

I really don't believe in that ak part fooled by pkk, gulen, allies etc. Either they tried an another way to deal with(peaceful way) or that was obvious failure to abuse of the result.For me it was the second one.Now they use the results for the sake of Turkiye.

As I said let's be tuned in and see What's gonna be in the end.If they won't complete what they have started that will-must be the end for 'em.

So what I demand from 'em is this...

1.Reconsidered domestic policies. Every single pkk/gulen militant, supporter will be neutralized anytime/anywhere.
2.Death penalty for 'em.
3.Reconsidered foreign policies which serve our own national interests.
4.Reconsidered economic policies which lift my people's life standards.

If ak party may achieve these goals in short time period it's good for 'em. Otherwise no vote for 'em.As I said that they have wasted their credits already.