Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[xenon54 out]

This does not sound good. Sixty pages can be sufficient evidence against a single man but six thousand pages is hearsay. It will take a long time to review. Even if the U.S. tries to move forward in a (highly optimistic) month or two, Gulen's appeal will take years as a result. The process seems certain to poison long-term Turkey-U.S. relations. And maybe that's the point...

Those have been looked upon in 2 days where the US delegation was in Turkey, another batch regarding Gülen being behind the coup will be delivered too.

 

[CrimsonFury]

CHP leaders convoy attacked in Artvin..... God dammit

 

[Mucahit]

CHP leaders convoy attacked in Artvin..... God dammit

Turkish Interior Min: PKK behind attack on CHP leader's convoy, it is an attack against all of us

intense.

 

[usernameless]

Might be an attempt to distract/revenge Turkey for its action in Syria, this aint an usual activity by the pkk.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Russian chief of staff will meet Turkish chief of staff. This is according to NTV

 

[Solomon2]

Turkish authorities fire over 2,800 judges, prosecutors as anti-Gülen moves continue
ANKARA


The authorities fired more than 2,800 judges and prosecutors on Aug. 24 over links to the movement of Fethullah Gülen, the U.S.-based Islamic scholar who is seen as the main suspect behind the July 15 coup attempt.

Mehmet Yılmaz, a deputy chair of Turkey’s Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors (HSYK), said a total of 2,847 judges and prosecutors had been dismissed, in line with a government decree within the terms of the ongoing state of emergency imposed after the failed coup attempt.

The sacked judges included Rüstem Eryılmaz, the former head of the case into the killing of Armenian-origin
journalist Hrant Dink in 2007 and Ömer Diken, the head of the former “Balyoz” (Sledgehammer) coup plot case.

Mehmet Ali Pekgüzel, the prosecutor in the Ergenekon coup plot case, was also dismissed.

Turkey has sacked or suspended around 80,000 people from the civil service, judiciary, police forces and courts following the attempted coup.

The government says Gülen’s followers spent years infiltrating institutions with the goal of overthrowing the state.

August/24/2016

 

[CrimsonFury]

Turkish authorities fire over 2,800 judges, prosecutors as anti-Gülen moves continue
ANKARA


The authorities fired more than 2,800 judges and prosecutors on Aug. 24 over links to the movement of Fethullah Gülen, the U.S.-based Islamic scholar who is seen as the main suspect behind the July 15 coup attempt.

Mehmet Yılmaz, a deputy chair of Turkey’s Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors (HSYK), said a total of 2,847 judges and prosecutors had been dismissed, in line with a government decree within the terms of the ongoing state of emergency imposed after the failed coup attempt.

The sacked judges included Rüstem Eryılmaz, the former head of the case into the killing of Armenian-origin
journalist Hrant Dink in 2007 and Ömer Diken, the head of the former “Balyoz” (Sledgehammer) coup plot case.

Mehmet Ali Pekgüzel, the prosecutor in the Ergenekon coup plot case, was also dismissed.

Turkey has sacked or suspended around 80,000 people from the civil service, judiciary, police forces and courts following the attempted coup.

The government says Gülen’s followers spent years infiltrating institutions with the goal of overthrowing the state.

August/24/2016

Good

 

[Solomon2]

Turkey Concedes: No Evidence Linking Gulen to Coup Sent to Washington

John Hudson
August 25, 2016

Turkey is conceding it has not sent any evidence to Washington linking Fethullah Gulen to the failed July 15 coup attempt, despite increasingly angry calls by Ankara for the United States to extradite the Pennsylvania-based cleric or suffer a severe downgrade in diplomatic relations.
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Turkey is conceding it has not sent any evidence to Washington linking Fethullah Gulen to the failed July 15 coup attempt, despite increasingly angry calls by Ankara for the United States to extradite the Pennsylvania-based cleric or suffer a severe downgrade in diplomatic relations.

In a statement to Foreign Policy, Turkish Embassy spokesman Naci Aydan Karamanoğlu said evidence linking Gulen to the coup “will be submitted in due time.”

He added that “it would be impossible to send so much evidence on the coup attempt just days after it happened.”

But top Turkish officials have not been similarly patient when demanding the immediate deportation of Gulen, whom they call a “terrorist.”

Ahead of Joe Biden’s visit to Turkey on Wednesday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan promised to tell the vice president that the U.S. does not “have the right to hem and haw. You have to hand him over.”

He previously warned the White House that it had to “choose between Turkey and Gulen.” Turkey, an important partner in the fight against the Islamic State, owns an airbase the U.S. uses to stage airstrikes in Syria.

Turkish demands for Gulen’s extradition have also given way to a wave of anti-American charges and criticism in the Turkish press, including unsubstantiated allegations that U.S. officials attempted to assassinate Erdogan or that the military putsch was planned by the Wilson Center, a U.S.-based think tank.

Gulen, an influential preacher and a onetime political ally of Erdogan and his AKP party, currently lives in a secluded compound in the Pocono Mountains. He and his lawyers deny any involvement in the coup.

During his visit, Biden said that it is “totally understandable why the people of Turkey are angry,” but noted that America’s system of government has separate and independent roles for the executive and judicial branches and the president could not simply order the extradition of Gulen unilaterally.

Turkey’s admission that it hasn’t sent evidence about Gulen’s activities related to the coup may have been prompted by an op-ed written by Biden in Turkey’s Milliyet newspaper on Wednesday. In it, Biden said the U.S. would deport Gulen if Turkey can prove that he masterminded the coup but added that the U.S. has yet to receive “any evidence from Turkey relating to the attempted coup.”

“It seems like a calibration in response to Vice President Biden,” said Steven Cook, a Turkey expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. “For over a month they have been insisting that Fethullah Gulen was responsible for the coup and that they had evidence of his guilt.”

Henri Barkey, a Turkey expert at the Wilson Center, said Turkey may have decided to jump the gun in demanding Gulen’s extradition in order to corner the U.S. in the “Turkish public eye.”

In an email exchange, Karamanoğlu, the embassy spokesman, said that the U.S. has received an extradition request from Turkey based on Gulen’s activities “before the July 15th failed coup attempt.”

“Fethullah Gulen was already under investigation for establishing a terrorist organization and illegal activities against the state among other charges before the coup attempt occurred,” Karamanoğlu said.

U.S. officials have never indicated that Gulen might be extradited for actions he carried out before the coup.

Aaron Stein, a Turkey expert at the Atlantic Council, said the idea that Gulen has been working to undermine the government “has been around in Turkey since the 1980s.” A warrant was issued for Gulen’s arrest in August 2000 as prosecutors claimed he had infiltrated key government institutions in order to remake the Turkish state. In 2006, a Turkish court cleared him of wrongdoing before he received a green card in 2008.

“The accusations aren’t new,” said Stein. “I think what many people should be asking is, if he was such a threat, why was he such a close AKP ally for years.”

 

[cloud4000]

Erdogan being Erdogan. So what was in the files he initially sent to US claiming it contained evidence about Gulen's complicity in the coup?

What's worse is that Turkey demanded Gulen's immediate extradition even though Erdogan well knows that US has a legal process it needs to follow for it to go forward. It's not going to bend because Erdogan throws a tantrum.

 

[what]

Erdogan hatred aside. Its hard to prove, not like any of the members of a cult will sell out their cult leader, right?

But I dont buy the story that Güllenists acted on their own without the approval from above. There might be no proof but everything points towards the Cemaat and they have only one leader Im aware of.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Even Turkish General Staff's himself told that coup general wanted him to talk with Fethollah, so it is pretty proven. US is just bellydancing around.

 

[anon45]

Well as expected this will take a while regardless of outcome.

I'd expect for this to be settled under Hillary's watch.

Even Turkish General Staff's himself told that coup general wanted him to talk with Fethollah, so it is pretty proven. US is just bellydancing around.

Is the embassy spokesman a US plant?

 

[OguzSenturk]

Nah, most probably another Fethollah's servant

 

[anatolia]

paid media by .....

 

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Turkey did not arrested a single top commander who can agree to Gulen involvement and can provide tangible proof?

Or they have strike some deal, getting murkier now.

Any turkish member can explain?