Turkish Engine Programs

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Turbofan uses the same core as a turboshaft or am I wrong? .. We have a company who built ts1400 turboshaft engine for t625 with IP rights belonging to it. It has built a bestinclass turbojet engine with tj300 for missiles..so time will tell deino, that's fair right? Anyways tfx block 1 will be built around f16s main engine with which TEI has considerable experience with and we will go from there.. Time will tell.. @Deino

Certain modifications are required to make turbofan with the TS1400. It will also not be enough for any fighter jet.

 

[BordoEnes]

I'm sorry that you - and some others - ALWAYS feel offended, but that does make his arguments invalid or wrong.
Therefore I can only once again refrain: So far I only got either similar replies like yours as if others simply have no faith in Turkey or we get immediately a harsh triade of insults as if we are all anti-Turkey ... but so far I never got a single argument HOW Turkey will manage to develop its projected high-end powerplants for the helicopters, UAV and most of all the TF-X within the given timeframe nor how it will overcome the technical issues?

The author is notorious for being unreasonably negative about the Turkish defence indusry. Thats not to say that there isnt some truth spinkeled here and there. I tend to agree with those article mostly and so does a lot of Turkish posters no doubt. Its not so much that you personaly are Anti-Turkey, but the author Burak Ege Bekdil(Sometimes called Bokdil, meaning something like Sh*t tong or talker).

 

[mustafa erkan]

I'm sorry that you - and some others - ALWAYS feel offended, but that does make his arguments invalid or wrong.
Therefore I can only once again refrain: So far I only got either similar replies like yours as if others simply have no faith in Turkey or we get immediately a harsh triade of insults as if we are all anti-Turkey ... but so far I never got a single argument HOW Turkey will manage to develop its projected high-end powerplants for the helicopters, UAV and most of all the TF-X within the given timeframe nor how it will overcome the technical issues?

I was talking about burak ege bekdil, how many news did you read from him?
Do you consider a man writing about turkish defence but uses always foreigners as source?
I didnt see any interview that he done with Turkish defence ministers or with other high rank defence officals.
He also has not enough knowledge about turkish defence projects and always trying to create bad perception about our projects.
It is not related with you or others, we can feel the difference between useful criticism and malice

 

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https://www.defensenews.com/industr...m-is-harming-defense-projects-warn-officials/

Burak Bokdil isn't a journalist, he's an anti-Turkey troll.

 

[925boy]

Turkey’s ‘chronic engine problem’ is harming defense projects, warn officials
By
news.yahoo.com
3 min
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ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey’s inability to produce a fully indigenous engine is harming some of the country’s otherwise successful domestic defense programs, according to industry and government officials.

“We had it 15 years ago, we had it 10 years ago and we are still having it,” said a former defense industry chief. “It’s our chronic engine problem.”

A government procurement official agreed, telling Defense News that “at best the problem causes major delays, and at worst it can be an existential threat [to programs].”

The Altay, a multibillion-dollar program for the production of Turkey’s first indigenous tank, has long been delayed due to difficulties surrounding the engine and transmission used to power the new-generation tank.

BMC, a Turkish-Qatari joint venture that in 2018 won the serial production contract for the Altay, said in October 2020 that the tank would be fielded within 24 months. The original target was to have the Altay in the field this year 2020. Today, procurement officials and industry sources say even 2022 is an optimistic deadline.

Western countries with power pack technology, particularly Germany, have been reluctant to share technology or sell to Turkey for political reasons.

“Lack of a feasible power pack [engine and transmission] is depriving the program of any sensible progress,” noted an industry source.

Turkey also needs an engine for the new-generation TF-X fighter jet as well as indigenous helicopter models in the making.

At the center of these engine efforts is Tusas Engine Industries, a state-controlled engine maker.

TEI announced June 19 that it successfully tested its locally made TJ300 miniature turbojet engine, which the company produced for medium-range anti-ship missiles. The engine features a thrust rating of 1.3 kilonewtons.

Company officials say the TJ300 engine’s more advanced, future versions could power larger anti-ship cruise missiles and land-attack cruise missiles. Turkey hopes to power its anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles with locally developed engines.

“The effort is about ending dependency on imported designs,” a TEI official said. Turkey currently imports miniature air-breathing engines from Microturbo — a unit of French company Safran — to power its domestically developed cruise missiles.

Separately, Turkey’s Kale Group is developing a larger, albeit miniature turbojet engine called the KTJ-3200. It has a 3.2-kilonewton thrust rating, and will power the Atmaca and SOM missile systems. On a much bigger scale, Kale Group has ambitions to develop an engine to power the TF-X.

In 2017, Kale Group and British company Rolls-Royce launched a joint venture to develop aircraft engines for Turkey, initially targeting the TF-X. But the £100 million (U.S. $124 million) deal was effectively put on hold due to uncertainties over technology transfer. In December, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavusoğlu said the government is keen to revive talks with Rolls-Royce.

When asked for an update on negotiations, a Rolls-Royce spokesperson told Defense News: “We submitted an engine co-development proposal to Turkey, but the customer has not elected to pursue this to date.”

A year before the Kale Group-Rolls-Royce partnership, Turkish Aerospace Industries — a sister company of TEI — signed a $125 million heads of agreement with U.K.-based firm BAE Systems to collaborate on the first development phase of the TF-X. Turkey originally planned to fly the TF-X in 2023, but aerospace officials are now eyeing 2025 at the earliest.

TEI is also developing the TS1400, a turboshaft engine it intends to power the T625 Gökbey, a utility and transport helicopter developed and built by TAI. The Gökbey currently flies with the CTS-800A turboshaft engine supplied by Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company, a joint venture between American firm Honeywell and Rolls-Royce.

The Gökbey made its maiden flight in September. TEI says it successfully tested the “core” of its TS1400 turboshaft engine and plans to deliver the prototype to TAI in late 2020.

But analysts remain cautious. “These efforts may eventually fail to materialize without meaningful foreign know-how,” said a London-based Turkey specialist. “Or they may come at costs not viable for mass production.”

Andrew Chuter in London contributed to this report.
https://app.getpocket.com/read/3031849042

 

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Andrew Chuter in London

Now we know who the "London analyst" is that Burak Bokdil always cites in his propaganda pieces.

 

[Borg]

Turkey’s ‘chronic engine problem’ is harming defense projects, warn officials
By
news.yahoo.com
3 min
View Original

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey’s inability to produce a fully indigenous engine is harming some of the country’s otherwise successful domestic defense programs, according to industry and government officials.

“We had it 15 years ago, we had it 10 years ago and we are still having it,” said a former defense industry chief. “It’s our chronic engine problem.”

A government procurement official agreed, telling Defense News that “at best the problem causes major delays, and at worst it can be an existential threat [to programs].”

The Altay, a multibillion-dollar program for the production of Turkey’s first indigenous tank, has long been delayed due to difficulties surrounding the engine and transmission used to power the new-generation tank.

BMC, a Turkish-Qatari joint venture that in 2018 won the serial production contract for the Altay, said in October 2020 that the tank would be fielded within 24 months. The original target was to have the Altay in the field this year 2020. Today, procurement officials and industry sources say even 2022 is an optimistic deadline.

Western countries with power pack technology, particularly Germany, have been reluctant to share technology or sell to Turkey for political reasons.

“Lack of a feasible power pack [engine and transmission] is depriving the program of any sensible progress,” noted an industry source.

Turkey also needs an engine for the new-generation TF-X fighter jet as well as indigenous helicopter models in the making.

At the center of these engine efforts is Tusas Engine Industries, a state-controlled engine maker.

TEI announced June 19 that it successfully tested its locally made TJ300 miniature turbojet engine, which the company produced for medium-range anti-ship missiles. The engine features a thrust rating of 1.3 kilonewtons.

Company officials say the TJ300 engine’s more advanced, future versions could power larger anti-ship cruise missiles and land-attack cruise missiles. Turkey hopes to power its anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles with locally developed engines.

“The effort is about ending dependency on imported designs,” a TEI official said. Turkey currently imports miniature air-breathing engines from Microturbo — a unit of French company Safran — to power its domestically developed cruise missiles.

Separately, Turkey’s Kale Group is developing a larger, albeit miniature turbojet engine called the KTJ-3200. It has a 3.2-kilonewton thrust rating, and will power the Atmaca and SOM missile systems. On a much bigger scale, Kale Group has ambitions to develop an engine to power the TF-X.

In 2017, Kale Group and British company Rolls-Royce launched a joint venture to develop aircraft engines for Turkey, initially targeting the TF-X. But the £100 million (U.S. $124 million) deal was effectively put on hold due to uncertainties over technology transfer. In December, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavusoğlu said the government is keen to revive talks with Rolls-Royce.

When asked for an update on negotiations, a Rolls-Royce spokesperson told Defense News: “We submitted an engine co-development proposal to Turkey, but the customer has not elected to pursue this to date.”

A year before the Kale Group-Rolls-Royce partnership, Turkish Aerospace Industries — a sister company of TEI — signed a $125 million heads of agreement with U.K.-based firm BAE Systems to collaborate on the first development phase of the TF-X. Turkey originally planned to fly the TF-X in 2023, but aerospace officials are now eyeing 2025 at the earliest.

TEI is also developing the TS1400, a turboshaft engine it intends to power the T625 Gökbey, a utility and transport helicopter developed and built by TAI. The Gökbey currently flies with the CTS-800A turboshaft engine supplied by Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company, a joint venture between American firm Honeywell and Rolls-Royce.

The Gökbey made its maiden flight in September. TEI says it successfully tested the “core” of its TS1400 turboshaft engine and plans to deliver the prototype to TAI in late 2020.

But analysts remain cautious. “These efforts may eventually fail to materialize without meaningful foreign know-how,” said a London-based Turkey specialist. “Or they may come at costs not viable for mass production.”

Andrew Chuter in London contributed to this report.
https://app.getpocket.com/read/3031849042

Whata useless article, they know very good what developmeng TR engine industry has done in past years, they know whats allready running and what will be availlable in 2-5 years so they do their best to poison the present status in their own fear that TR will not need them in any area in next 5 years and they wouldn't have any possibilitys to sabotage and stop TR projects any more. I just laught on this wasted words they wrote there. GO TURKEY.

 

[mustafa erkan]

“We had it 15 years ago, we had it 10 years ago and we are still having it,” said a former defense industry chief. “It’s our chronic engine problem.”

How can a person say this sentence if he has knowledge about defence sector and engines ?
What is the ideal period of time to developing engines which are for tanks,missiles , helicopters or jets?
We see koreans working for it but they bought german engine for first batch. I didnt read bad news for korean defence sector like they dont able to do it.
What is the most comic and ironic comments are when we say we will have own 5th gen fighters in 2030s some says it is too early even USA developed F22 and F 35 in 25-30 years period of time, and they are right by saying that. Also they are adding USA has the most developed aviation sector in the world and Turkey began to work a few years ago. Thats also true too.
BUT when it comes to the engines they say 10 years of period is too long which means turkey dont be able to develop engines. Dont they again have to say its too short time to develop engines to tanks ,helicopters, jets.
Can you see the double standart ? What is the aim?
Effecting potential partners for big projects like TFX and effecting potential customers for finished projects like Atak, Altay, uavs etc.But this sort of news wont effect our defence sector because our potential customers saw working core engine.

 

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Whata useless article, they know very good what developmeng TR engine industry has done in past years, they know whats allready running and what will be availlable in 2-5 years so they do their best to poison the present status in their own fear that TR will not need them in any area in next 5 years and they wouldn't have any possibilitys to sabotage and stop TR projects any more. I just laught on this wasted words they wrote there. GO TURKEY.

This is pretty much what every foreign-element and brain-dead So-called-Aydin-TR nationals trying to push - and it's not only on Engine front.

 

[Bismarck]

Now we know who the "London analyst" is that Burak Bokdil always cites in his propaganda pieces.

Cirit missile, Anka UAV, Milgem, Milden, Atak, Altay, TF-X...all have foreign engines. Blame Burak Bekdil as much as you can, it doesn’t change the facts.

You need synergy of Universities, R&D institutes, free Economy and Politics and maybe a huge sponsor to solve the problems.

 

[Yatağanlı]

Cirit missile, Anka UAV, Milgem, Milden, Atak, Altay, TF-X...all have foreign engines. Blame Burak Bekdil as much as you can, it doesn’t change the facts.

True, but domestic projects are mostly going well. Attack helicopter engine, missile engine, engine for afv's are all progressing well.

 

[Bismarck]

True, but domestic projects are mostly going well. Attack helicopter engine, missile engine, engine for afv's are all progressing well.

I read Tumosan has a ready engine for APVs, when will they be used.

 

[Deactivated]

One question I always ask myself is why turkey does not simply copy the necessary engines, step by step ... we have all kinds of engines in the arsenal - so why not build every engine piece by piece to understand the principles, gain knowledge, update technologies, add them, and start producing?

Like China did in the past and still does -

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Cirit missile, Anka UAV, Milgem, Milden, Atak, Altay, TF-X...all have foreign engines. Blame Burak Bekdil as much as you can, it doesn’t change the facts.

You need synergy of Universities, R&D institutes, free Economy and Politics and maybe a huge sponsor to solve the problems.

wut, Why shouldn't we produce a simple 2.75 missile buddy engine in the Cirit? In addition, standard Anka production is already over, while Anka+ uses domestic PD170.

 

[ziya]

bismarck lost attention what a pity