Turkey raises Uighur issue with Chinese minister amid protests

[striver44]

mujahedin turn against their cia handlers and expose the truth of being used and discarded:

Why were they used and discarded, over an oil pipeline:

If Afghanistan agreed to an oil pipeline agreement, 9/11 would have been blamed on Iraq and the Palestinian problem.

Oil company interests are out of fashion in Washington, China is the new enemy.

Umm so you're going to blame the US for the Mujahideen?

 

[Beast]

does this terrorist include poets ?

this is from 2004. don't know that China has actively hunted Uyghurs for so long

UYGHUR POET EXPELLED BY SYRIA SEEKS REFUGEE STATUS

www.rfa.org

RFA? lol.. Sure all their story is genuine. Of cos, they will claim he is a nice guy who dont advocate for East Turkestan. If Turkey kurdish outlaw kurdish state, what makes China outlaw east turkestan different? Same as Pakistan also outlaw Baluchistan separatist.

You mean u have double standard here?

 

[striver44]

RFA? lol.. Sure all their story is genuine. Of cos, they will claim he is a nice guy who dont advocate for East Turkestan. If Turkey kurdish outlaw kurdish state, what makes China outlaw east turkestan different? Same as Pakistan also outlaw Baluchistan separatist.

You mean u have double standard here?

what's wrong with RFA ?? doesn't change the fact that you've been manhunting poets since 2004.

 

[Beast]

what's wrong with RFA ?? doesn't change the fact that you've been manhunting poets since 2004.

Of cos there is problem with RFA. Becos, it doesnt post fact but just things that suit American interest....

Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by the C.I.A. (Published 1977)

2d in series deals with worldwide propaganda network built by agency

www.nytimes.com

What is wrong for China to repatriate a separatist? Try Harder!

 

[striver44]

Of cos there is problem with RFA. Becos, it doesnt post fact but just things that suit American interest....

Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by the C.I.A. (Published 1977)

2d in series deals with worldwide propaganda network built by agency

www.nytimes.com

What is wrong for China to repatriate a separatist? Try Harder!

no, it's fact, Syrian authorities does deport poets back then in 2004 to appease China.

What's so scary about poets??

 

[log_ccc]

Umm so you're going to blame the US for the Mujahideen?

If we don't want the West conquer us again, we must be smart and realize who is the real enemy.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Turkey should take in more Uyghur refugees. That would be good deal with China. Like a million more. All Uyghurs who don't want to be Chinese citizens should go to live in Turkey.

 

[aziqbal]

East Turkestan: Uyghurs in Turkey
Displaced Uyghurs in Turkey are becoming more fearful of growing Chinese influence over Turkey due to financial agreements between the two countries, even though Turkey has become a safe haven for Uyghurs over the years. Dozens of Uyghurs have been detained and threatened with deportation back to China, a fate suffered by one woman and her two children last year. Despite Turkey having been the only Muslim country to denounce China's actions against its Uyghur minority as "cultural genocide", increasing Turkish debt to China is resulting in growing fears among the Uyghurs in Turkey for their safety. On the other hand, some activists are encouraged by the global response to the coronavirus, which is shedding significant light on China and its treatment of minorities and has advanced "maybe 20 years of advocacy in the space of a few months.”
Below is an article by the Guardian
In Hayri Gül’s house, there was a lot to do before the Eid al-Fitr, or Bayram, holiday marking the end of Ramadan began on Saturday. There were traditional sangza noodles to bake, then twist into ropes and pile into pyramids. Special occasion clothes needed to be washed and ironed.
Celebrating the Muslim holiday is a freedom Gül and her four children did not have at home in the northwestern Chinese territory of Xinjiang, the Uighur homeland, where over the last few years the authorities have suffocated the ethnic minority’s cultural practices and turned the entire region into a police state subject to strict surveillance even inside their homes. Up to 1 million people have disappeared into re-education camps in what China says is a necessary measure to stamp out extremism.
When the family fled the crackdown in 2016, the 42-year-old was forced to leave her husband and youngest son behind because the state would not issue them passports. Contact with them stopped later that year, and she no longer knows if they are alive or dead. But here in Istanbul, Gül is grateful that at least some of the 12-million-strong Uighur population have found a place to keep their cultural heritage alive.
“I miss my homeland and my family every day. I cry a lot with the pain,” she said at her home in Istanbul’s Zeytinburnu neighbourhood. “I love life in Istanbul. I wish they could be here too. My children have freedom here we could not imagine before.”
The relationship between Uighurs and Turkey stretches back centuries: once connected by the Silk Road, the peoples share a religion, cultural ties and similar Turkic languages. Uighur men who fought for the Ottoman empire rest in the vast second world war graveyards in Çanakkale, or Gallipoli; during the Communist revolution in China in the 1940s, the Turkish republic recognised the breakaway Uighur state of East Turkestan and opened its doors to refugees.
In the last few years, Istanbul has become the largest diaspora hub in the world for displaced Uighurs. The community in Turkey numbers approximately 50,000, the majority of which live in Istanbul’s Sefakoy and Zeytinburnu neighbourhoods. About 11,000, like Gul’s family, have arrived recently after fleeing the persecution at home.
In exile, Uighur culture has flourished in a way that was impossible in Xinjiang: several publishing houses, bookshops and cultural centres that would have been banned in China have opened in Istanbul. Artists and intellectuals have platforms and audiences for their work; artisanal workshops, many run by women, sell colourful traditional clothing and homewares.
At the Nuzugum Family and Culture Association, named for a Uighur historical heroine, its founder, Münevver Özuygur, cares for 210 families, giving children a chance to connect with their heritage in Uighur-language lessons after school while their mothers work at the neighbouring textile centre.
“Almost all their husbands and fathers are missing in the camps,” Özuygur said. “Here we have a strong sense of community and help women become financially independent and look after themselves.”
Life in Turkey is not without difficulty – and an increasing sense of danger. While President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is the only Muslim world leader to publicly denounce China’s clampdown on Muslim minorities as a “cultural genocide”, as Turkey has lurched into economic meltdown and alienated former allies his stance appears to have softened.
Since 2018, Ankara has turned to Beijing for a $3.6bn (£2.9bn) loan, along with Chinese investments in state infrastructure projects and credit swap lines to bolster Turkey’s depleted foreign exchange reserves.
Uighur activists say the financial help has come at the cost of their safety: dozens of people have been detained by Turkish authorities and threatened with deportation.
Last year, a woman called Zinnetgul Tursun and her two young daughters were extradited to Tajikistan and then China. She has not been heard from since.
Many Uighurs in Turkey report phone calls from Chinese police threatening family members still in Xinjiang if they did not stop campaigning against the ruling Communist party’s policies. Residency paperwork is now harder to obtain, leaving about 2,000 people without the legal right to stay. Humanitarian protection papers promised by the Turkish interior ministry cover access to healthcare, but do not allow recipients to work.
Even as China’s long arm infiltrates their haven, some campaigners are buoyed by how the Covid-19 crisis has refocused international scrutiny on the situation in Xinjiang.
“It’s sad that it’s taken deaths all over the world for people to wake up but in some ways coronavirus has been a blessing in disguise for Uighurs,” said Arslan Hidayet, an Australian Uighur activist who now lives in Istanbul.
“East Turkestan, Tibet, Hong Kong are all victims of China’s destructive policies. What the world is learning now is that China will arrive on everyone’s doorstep eventually. There is realistic talk now of sanctions and boycotts against Beijing. We have achieved maybe 20 years of advocacy in the space of a few months.”

Photograph: Uighur childen attend a Uighur-language school in Istanbul. The relationship between Uighurs and Turkey stretches back centuries. Credit: Ozan Köse/AFP via Getty Images

UNPO: East Turkestan: Uyghurs in Turkey fearful of China's Influence

unpo.org

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

And perhaps China will also raise the issue of treatment of Kurds in Turkey in their meeting with them.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The red means westernmost Turkic country. The blue means easternmost Turkic country.

@aziqbal

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Uighurs in Rawalpindi's famous China Market near College Road spoke out but Pakistan state silenced their voices. Much like the Iron Brother worshipping mods on here

 

[T-SaGe]

Our socialist PKK bros

For some of the RTE's rhetoric on the Jammu-Kashmir issue, Indian right-wing on social media and forums dreamt of the same thing. We even saw tv programs and articles by some think-tank-ish organizations for about this.

Oftenly i see that Chinese posters have whataboutism reflexes on this forum. But behind that, it is a huge gap with not a single piece of awareness or knowledge. Even more funny thing is the reaction against perhaps the most silent government on the Uyghur issue. I'm sure there are people who write comments without even reading the first msg/news of this title.

One of the biggest ironies in this forum is that Kck(Pkk-pjak-ypg etc.) is thought to be a communist structure. However, it has become a full US proxie with the military aid programs provided by US's daydreamer bureaucrats. They have been working for the US regional policies since the second gulf war. They are in conflict with ENKS in Syria and with KRG in Iraq. They are militarily blocking the Syrian regime in the east of Deir ez-Zor and the Iraqi army in the north of Mosul and occupying their lands.

I sincerely wish the United States and China to join the same pot on this issue. We know very well that there have been examples of this in another regions. From my point of view, this could add a new depth to our relations with regional countries.

The red means westernmost Turkic country. The blue means easternmost Turkic country.

@aziqbal

This is absolutely ridiculous. But it was a good guess. lol


You forgot that. (Not the Pakistani flag)

Green flag
Red flag
Blue flag

All three have different messages that complement each other. Maybe this tip will make you think about the real meanings of the other crescent and star flags you see.

 

[Menthol]

Turkey is hypocritical at best.

Their word seems very strong, but empty.


It's like accusing someone as a thief as hard as harsh as possible.

But everyone knows that actually, he is the thief.


I still don't understand the mentality of the Turks.

They haven't invented the mirror.

 

[Beast]

Uighurs in Rawalpindi's famous China Market near College Road spoke out but Pakistan state silenced their voices. Much like the Iron Brother worshipping mods on here

The american are laughing when they see how some fool Pakistanis fighting themselves over China over some fake news.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

The inescapable conclusion from all this is that China is the most powerful country in the world. America, Europe, and the entire Muslim public is united in bitterly condemning China for its alleged mistreatment of Uighurs and the result is... absolutely nothing.

Zip, zero, bupkis, nothing. If China is so evil, why don't they invade it and stop it? I'll tell you why: because China is just too strong. All its haters can do is cry and whine like toddlers.

I'll tell you another truth about this: Uighurs don't matter. At the end of the day, what matters is what has always mattered: wealth and power. Everyone is too afraid of China's strength and too greedy over its market to do anything more than token protestations of "concern." They know where they can shove their "concern" - China regularly reminds them exactly where to shove it.