Turkey might attack Iraq

[EagleEyes]

Faith was the criteria to decide nationhood

It simply isn't.

We are talking about priority.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

If Faith is the criteria, then the Caliphate would not have so many contenders contesting for it and leading to the eventually collapse. Also, there would not have ever been a Shia Sunni spilt.

The temporal realities overtakes the spiritual.

The aspects of growth and mastery of the self prevails and on the greater plane; the same affects the societies and nations.

 

[IceCold]

No matter what, i dont find kurds can do a damn thing about it, all they wiil get is destruction and nothing more. Iraq which seems to be very supportive will soon come to know what it is to be when you support the wrong end and same stands for US as well. We as pakistanies support turkey in her justified actions against the kurds. Its time they go in and clean the dirt out.

 

[su-47]

I find that a person with a weak faith, usually tends to put nationality over religion. Usually, in the Muslim countries. Religion supports the nationality, however those who have no faith (atheists) will always put nationality over religion for obvious reasons.

if thats so, then there should be only one nation comprising of all muslims. pakistan shouldnt exist as a seperate state, but as part of a larger islamic empire.

the fact is that faith is not the only thing deciding your nation. your nation should always take precedence over religion. Remember, its because pakistani soldiers value nation over religion that they fight the taliban.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

No matter what, i dont find kurds can do a damn thing about it, all they wiil get is destruction and nothing more. Iraq which seems to be very supportive will soon come to know what it is to be when you support the wrong end and same stands for US as well. We as pakistanies support turkey in her justified actions against the kurds. Its time they go in and clean the dirt out.

The only impediment to what you say that I can see is that the US wants an independent Kurdistan in the Iraq mess, since the Kurds are the only ones loyal to them in Iraq.

Therefore, it is a moot point if Turkey can achieve what she wants!

 

[Neo]

turkey will never give land to the kurd's same for iran so i dont think it will ever happen a kurdistan nope, the kurdish rebel's will get what they are asking for and that's a good hiding from the miltary of turkey.

Salahuldin,

Turkey or Iran may never compromise on the issue but the creation of Kurdistan is in the inevitable and serves US/Nato's interests in the region.
Iraq will be devided into three parts before western forces leave, Kurdistan is in the pipelines eventhough it might nenver be able to reclaim its original size or territory.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It seems that the US finds itself in the role of Pakistan in this dilemma of the Kurds and Turkey.

Desperate to have stability in Iraq, it is reluctant to take on the Kurdish militants, despite acknowledging that the Kurdish area in Iraq is being used for attacks in Turkey, and Turkey is saying that if the US/Iraqi Govt. doesn't put a stop to the PKK's activities, it will.

What were those statements from the Presidential hopefuls and senior Bush administration officials?

Quite similar to the triangle of the US -Pakistan-Tribals.

If Iraq is split, whats in the future of Afghanistan? Shall we see a division of the country on ethnic lines, with the new smaller states aligned with the larger countries of similar ethnicity in the region - Uzbekistan, Tajikistan etc.?

 

[EagleEyes]

if thats so, then there should be only one nation comprising of all muslims. pakistan shouldnt exist as a seperate state, but as part of a larger islamic empire.

Indeed that should be a case, but sadly it isn't because of a narrow minded ideology of most of the Muslim countries. At least a big Islamic empire needs to be stretched.

the fact is that faith is not the only thing deciding your nation. your nation should always take precedence over religion. Remember, its because pakistani soldiers value nation over religion that they fight the taliban.

Not necessarily. They also fight because they are terrorizing the Muslims living in Pakistan. They are damaging Islam, and that it is in our interest to fight against them. Not many people agree that fighting with Taliban is needed. However, it is needed, if they attack us, and thats the only reason fighting has begun and escalated.

 

[Always Neutral]

Other than shelling the Iraq side of Kurds controlled areas the Generals of Turkey are just playing to the galleries. The generals have been gradually loosing popularity in Turkey as we saw during the recent elections there and there no better way to divert the attention but by declaring they will attack Iraq.

However one thing I need to ask the distinguished members here. Why are they not sympathetic to the Kurds (who are also muslims) cause which is more valid and older than say Kashmir, Bosnia, Iraq or even Palestine for whom they do very passionately on this forum?

Is it because they donot wish to criticize fellow muslim countries like Iran / Turkey whereas in the other causes mentioned above, there are jews, Christians, hindus involved ?

Just an observation.

Best regards

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Other than shelling the Iraq side of Kurds controlled areas the Generals of Turkey are just playing to the galleries. The generals have been gradually loosing popularity in Turkey as we saw during the recent elections there and there no better way to divert the attention but by declaring they will attack Iraq.

However one thing I need to ask the distinguished members here. Why are they not sympathetic to the Kurds (who are also muslims) cause which is more valid and older than say Kashmir, Bosnia, Iraq or even Palestine for whom they do very passionately on this forum?

Is it because they donot wish to criticize fellow muslim countries like Iran / Turkey whereas in the other causes mentioned above, there are jews, Christians, hindus involved ?

Just an observation.

Best regards

I actually did commiserate with the Kurds, in the Afghanistan/Iraq subforum.

Collateral damage is the unfortunate reality of any military operation. Shells have killed innocent tribesmen in FATA as well.

The Kurds are an unfortunate bunch - the carving out of so many states with artificial boundaries, and the divvying up of Kurd territory between them, has ensured that as justified as their struggle may be, it is doomed to failure.

Most of the countries with large Kurdish populations remain strongly nationalistic and will never cede territory to a Kurdish State.

The Kurdish cause is one that will best be served by giving up violence and integrating into the countries they are divided into. The lack of support on my part is more of an acknowledgment of the impossible odds they face, at this point in time.

Perhaps as the societies they are part of evolve, and the territorial and possessive instincts of humans are tempered, the Kurds might be able to appeal their case to the peoples of those nations.

Of course, humans may well have destroyed the planet before that ever comes to pass.

 

[ARSENAL6]

Other than shelling the Iraq side of Kurds controlled areas the Generals of Turkey are just playing to the galleries. The generals have been gradually loosing popularity in Turkey as we saw during the recent elections there and there no better way to divert the attention but by declaring they will attack Iraq.

However one thing I need to ask the distinguished members here. Why are they not sympathetic to the Kurds (who are also muslims) cause which is more valid and older than say Kashmir, Bosnia, Iraq or even Palestine for whom they do very passionately on this forum?

Is it because they donot wish to criticize fellow muslim countries like Iran / Turkey whereas in the other causes mentioned above, there are jews, Christians, hindus involved ?

Just an observation.

Best regards

Jews Christain hindus ? An I'm not with you

However one thing I need to ask the distinguished members here. Why are they not sympathetic to the Kurds (who are also muslims) cause which is more valid and older than say Kashmir, Bosnia, Iraq or even Palestine for whom they do very passionately on this forum

With this issue AN you have hit the Hammer on the nail, this is the plague of all Muslim Society. We decide who gets the spot light and its one of sole reason why we muslim get brutal treament, himulation, Isaeli/US bombardment on us.

Its like every Jummah the Imams will make dua to Palistine, Afganistan, Kashmire, Iraq and sometimes Bosina. Quite rightly so but how often do our imans give their dua on to the People of Daffur who are also Muslim, is it because they have darker skin and so we have the right to forget them ?
or is it because they are fighting an Arab nation- what idiotic thinking

What about the Muslim Tamils who being slaughter by the Tamil Tigers due to religion, what about the events thats took place in Burma
It would be so stupid to suggest that the Junta Army are only targeting
pro democracy, look at this artical:

Background on Muslims in Burma: Crackdown on Burmese Muslims (Human Rights Watch Briefing Paper, July 2002)

and who could ever forget the Muslim people of XINJIANG

::: THE FORGOTTEN MUSLIMS OF XINJIANG :::

When is the last time have the palistien living in the west have any concerns of people in kasmire while our fellow pakistani embassingly will go out and shout how great suicide bombers are in Palistine.

Its against Islam to make any comparism in race, NAtionalism , trible and split the Ummah with such stupidity
This will lead you to hell fire

Like how it is so cruel for Israel and America for the bombardment in Muslim countries its just as cruel for these Imams for them to pick and choose which suffering of muslim should take the spot light and keep the rest hush up.

For those who are in contact with their Imams and those Imams who only mentioned about Palistine and Iraq ry to to make them aware about other suffering that Musilms are facing please - we are in this mess because of us.

AN this is a topic best started somewhere else thats all I'm going to say
about but a good debate



As for the Turk/Iraq war - its a big laugh and hypocracy for AMerica to tell Turkey to stop when they have themselve bombed Afganistan on the exact issue.
Also it gives a clearer Picture of what the War on terror is really about
A war on Islam

Neo I don't think the US want to see an Idependant Kurd otherwise this will lead to increase unstablity and could excalate.