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Turkey is aiming to achieve results in April on its talks with China over the purchase of long-range missile defense systems, a move highly criticized by Turkey’s NATO allies, Turkey’s undersecretary for state-run defense industries Murad Bayar said Feb. 27.

Turkey announced in September it had chosen China’s FD-2000 missile-defense system over rival offers from Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T and U.S.-listed Raytheon Co. It said China offered the most competitive terms and would allow co-production in Turkey.

U.S. and NATO officials have raised concerns with Turkish officials about the decision to buy the system from CPMIEC, a company hit by U.S. sanctions for sales of items to eitherIran, Syria or North Korea that are banned under U.S. laws to curb the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

“Our talks with China are ongoing. We have extended the bidding until the end of April. We are aiming to get results in early April on this,” Bayar said.

Separately, Bayar said Turkey is likely to start ordering F-35 fighter jets built by Lockheed Martin Corp from 2015 onwards and it will start with two orders initially.

“We will start F-35 orders either this year or the next. Right now, it is likely to be next year,” Bayar told reporters. “We will initially order two. The delivery time will be, depending on the orders, probably in 2017-2018.”

Turkey had already announced it plans to buy 100 F-35 jets for $16 billion. Bayar said he expected the deliveries of 100 aircraft to be completed within 10 years.

The F-35, considered to be the world’s most expensive weapons program at $396 billion so far, was designed to be the next-generation fighter jet for the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marines.

It is being built by the United States, Britain and seven other co-development partners -Italy, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark, Norway and the Netherlands.

Airbus deliveries

Bayar also said Turkey will seek compensation over the late delivery of the A400 military transport plan after Airbus failed to meet some of its obligations in its contract.

“My message to Airbus is that it should first focus on fulfilling the terms of the contract. There is no additional bargaining here. The contract, even with the amended version, requires the fulfillment of certain technical qualities and we have had to hold these talks because these requirements were not completely fulfilled,” Bayar said.

On Feb. 26, Airbus chief executive Tom Enders said ‘bargaining’ was behind the delay and that it was ‘unbearable’ that the company was still negotiating with Turkey over the plane.

“The aircraft is ready to go. It is instantly, operationally fit for flight. I find the situation increasingly unacceptable,” Enders told reporters.

Bayar said he still expected the aircraft, which was supposed to have been delivered to Turkey at the end of last year, to arrive in March but Turkey was going to ask for compensation.

“Of course there has been a delay in the delivery schedule and there will be compensation because of this. This will be the financial dimension,” Bayar said.

Meanwhile, Bayar said Japan had told Turkey that it will not allow the export of a Japanese tank engine to third parties without its permission.

His comments came after Japanese media reported that a deal between Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdoğan and his Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe was struck in May, during Abe’s visit to Turkey, on the supply of engines, but that Turkey’s desire to export to third parties was likely to block the deal.
Bayar said that the potential purchase of the engine for Turkey’s Altay tank was dropped for now.

“We have agreed with Japanese authorities to leave this topic off the agenda and focus on other areas of cooperation.”
February/27/2014

Turkey ‘aims to wrap up missile talks by April’ - BUSINESS
 
is it only me or does it seem the Turkish officials are constantly delaying until a miracle happens from the western side? who knows what's going on behind the scenes..
 
is it only me or does it seem the Turkish officials are constantly delaying until a miracle happens from the western side? who knows what's going on behind the scenes..

I mean Turkey is investing in F-35 that is a weapon against Russian-Chinese-Iran block and at the same time wanting to buy air defense from China who are known to stealing tech and as you know air defense is sensitive part of any country.

It doesn't make sense. Why are we investing in F-35 if we are going to buy Chinese air defense? My theory is that Turkey is not interested in Chinese cheap crap.We are just using them as negotiation card. I think buying Chinese air defense would also be problematic for our relationship with Japan.
 
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I mean Turkey is investing in F-35 who is a weapon against Russian-Chinese-Iran block and at the same time wanting to buy air defense from China who are known to stealing tech and as you know air defense is sensitive part of any country.

It doesn't make sense. Why are we investing in F-35 if we are going to buy Chinese air defense? My theory is that Turkey is not interested in Chinese cheap crap.We are just using them as negotiation card. I think buying Chinese air defense would also be problematic for our relationship with Japan.

i think Turkey isn't interested purely in the Chinese missile system either. the thing that attracts Turkey is probably the tech transfer and co-production, so that we can learn from it and develop our own system. Turkey simply doesn't want to buy off the shelf, but also try to get transfer tech and other extras. i think that's a better deal in the long run than buying pure western quality systems without ToT, which will be nothing more than a short term solution for Turkey's hunger for self-sufficiency.
 
If Europe and United States offer co-production in Turkey and complete Transfer of Technology (ToT) for their defense system, then Turkey should buy it. Otherwise, go for FD-2000 with co-production, codes, and transfer of technology. It'd be great for Turkey.

Long term goal of Turkey should be to become 100% independent in top-notch military hardware that would be at the same level as European defense technology and very near to American technology as well.


I mean Turkey is investing in F-35 that is a weapon against Russian-Chinese-Iran block and at the same time wanting to buy air defense from China who are known to stealing tech and as you know air defense is sensitive part of any country.

It doesn't make sense. Why are we investing in F-35 if we are going to buy Chinese air defense? My theory is that Turkey is not interested in Chinese cheap crap.We are just using them as negotiation card. I think buying Chinese air defense would also be problematic for our relationship with Japan.

HQ-9/FD-2000 can target aircrafts from as far as 200km away. Its missile flies at MACH 4.5 speed against incoming fighters.

Not exactly a crap technology.
 
i think Turkey isn't interested purely in the Chinese missile system either. the thing that attracts Turkey is probably the tech transfer and co-production, so that we can learn from it and develop our own system. Turkey simply doesn't want to buy off the shelf, but also try to get transfer tech and other extras. i think that's a better deal in the long run than buying pure western quality systems without ToT, which will be nothing more than a short term solution for Turkey's hunger for self-sufficiency.
If Europe and United States offer co-production in Turkey and complete Transfer of Technology (ToT) for their defense system, then Turkey should buy it. Otherwise, go for FD-2000 with co-production, codes, and transfer of technology. It'd be great for Turkey.

Long term goal of Turkey should be to become 100% independent in top-notch military hardware that would be at the same level as European defense technology and very near to American technology as well.




HQ-9/FD-2000 can target aircrafts from as far as 200km away. Its missile flies at MACH 4.5 speed against incoming fighters.

Not exactly a crap technology.
It is far inferior to western and russian tech
 
It is far inferior to western and russian tech

Not "far" inferior.

It is definitely a 'deal worth considering' if it comes with ToT, in the eyes of Turkish military/government. So I don't think it is "farrrr" inferior. Otherwise, why would your army select it?
 
Turkey knows China is soon the top dog on the planet. Turkey is increasing its ties with China while at the same time maintaining its tie with America, sort of like what Pakistan does. :yes4: Who's to say J-31 is not in the future of the Turkish air force?
 
It is far inferior to western and russian tech

During the field tests for the competition, the Chinese were the only ones who allowed the Turkish to dictate the conditions and scenarios of the tests. And if I remember correctly, they reached all the desired mile stones in the tests.
 
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