TTP fighters infiltrate into Chitral and attempt to seize villages/posts 6/9/23

[Sapei]

Is this video authentic? Claimed to be captured Pakistani soldiers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699687061815747008

 

[hussain0216]

Afghans are doing it from last many centuries, they were invaders and hero of Pakistanis .Ghauri , Ghaznavi , Abdali , Babar , Nadir shah and now Taliban all looted punjab . They are your hero , enjoy the deeds of heroes . Do not forget to name another missile as "Osama bin laden " .

Destruction of hinduism was necessary to free the people

Is this video authentic? Claimed to be captured Pakistani soldiers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699687061815747008

That's army hazing video, it's a few years old

 

[hussain0216]

Wasn’t there a fence that was built?

It’s pretty weird how they got in there, in a place that has never supported them.

Mountainous area, some of it not fenced

The specifically went North of their usual pashtun areas where they get support for this reason

 

[TriptiD]

So you are telling me India never supported TTP/BLA ? TTP operating from Afghanistan since Mid 2000's, Indians were running many consulates in Afghanistan for Chai Paratha ?

India openly supported the Karzai regime. The primary purpose of a consulate is to provide consular services and India was providing help to the Afghans in many civil and some defence areas which necessitated the consulates.

You seem to have conveniently forgotten that all consulates have been shut since Pakistan helped the Taliban break the shackles of slavery imposed on the Afghans by US/ India.

I can believe that Indian intelligence supported the BLA, but it is laughable to say India would directly support the TTP. They are just an offshot of the Afghan Taliban and India has spent billions of dollars helping anti- Taliban forces in Afghanistan. The Taliban is entirely an ISI creation that has now turned against its former handler because Pakistan is not Islamic enough.

No sane Pakistani would believe that India would prefer to have the TTP rule Pakistan over PMLN, PPP, PTI or direct martial law by the army. They are all known quantities. The Taliban getting control of Pakistani nukes would be the gravest setback to Indian security interests.

 

[Tomcats]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699636536814288906

 

[Tomcats]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699648337509560569

 

[PakAlp]

My only guess is that they believe they can gradually degrade and destroy the enemy and their is no need to escalate

It sure looks that way, Pakistan army doesn't want another enemy at their border, they think of TTP as a militia and you cannot defeat a militia until you destroy its ideology. Pakistan needs to back a counter ideology to the TTP but no such policy was created.

TTP claims Pakistan army is Usa agent, they want to implement Sharia in KPK, they claim to care about their Pashtun brothers whilst Pakistan government doesn't, it allows Usa to bomb them, TTP has huge support in N and W Waziristan which is part of Pakistan. Are TTP claims genuine or false?

What is stopping Pakistan army to conduct drone strikes against targets inside Afghanistan?

When its clear as daylight that Taliban are assisting TTP, why is there no message being sent?

There are options. From direct strikes on TTP’s interests to suspension of Afghan transit trade to completely suspending border movement.

Or are there other interests at play at the expense of Pakistan’s.

You only embolden them when you lose the capacity to reply.

That would be a disaster, TTP and anti Pakistan militias will use this excuse to spread more hatred. Pakistan policy makers still believe they have enough influence in Afghan Taliban, Haqqani network to control this, yes attacks will continue, Pakistan can't do much about it. The blame goes on to whoever created these militias and this ideology.

 

[Fasbre2]

Sad state of affairs that everything falls on SSG… speaks volumes for the training and capability of the rest of the army. Spend less time doing frog and peacock marches and more time on actual soldiering skills and training.
Cut budget on perks and cars and free electricity and wedding halls and spend it on creating competent and skilled soldiers through modern training…

 

[PakAlp]

Pakistan backing Afghan Taliban, while India/USA was fully supporting TTP... Right now TTP is attacking using the Kunar, so Pakistan can easily hit them in Kunar.

If that was the case, then TTP should be finished off by now, their funding, training should be stopped but the fact is its still the same and increasing. If TTP was supported by Usa then why did Pakistan allow drone attacks, that was a stupid move because it showed Pakistan has a traitor and Usa puppet, TTP then used it against Pakistan to start a long term struggle. What benefit did Pakistan get? Has terrorism stopped?

 

[PakAlp]

That's the problem... sorry, you still don't know, where is the actual problem... still, busy with blaming others

Blaming anyone doesn't solve the problem, Like you said, Pakistanis till today don't know the problem, certain population of Afghans were secular but yet they still hated Pakistan and tried to cause harm to it, this was back in the 50s 60s 70s, they refuse to recognise the border and wanted Pakistan Pashtun areas to establish their Afghan nation. Then against the Soviets the Afghan turned mujahdeens and became religious, but still the same mujahdeens will not accept the border. This is the root cause of the problems facing Pakistan. When your neighbouring nation doesn't accept the border and promotes greater Afghan concept, on top gives it an Islamic ideology, you are then looking for a long term instability and war.

 

[Dalit]

No.

TTP will only ever have major support in Pashtun dominated areas (mainly tribal) because their ideology is Pashtun supremacy mixed with Islam. You only have to see the history of Afghanistan to see this.

Chitralis don't f/ck with that or their extremism, they attacked the outskirts.

Chitralis used to call Afghans their brothers and sisters. I can assure you that perception has changed overnight after these attacks.

You ought to know that Chitral is filled Afghans. I don't know how the locals in Chitral are going to view Afghans in the current scenario.

Blaming anyone doesn't solve the problem, Like you said, Pakistanis till today don't know the problem, certain population of Afghans were secular but yet they still hated Pakistan and tried to cause harm to it, this was back in the 50s 60s 70s, they refuse to recognise the border and wanted Pakistan Pashtun areas to establish their Afghan nation. Then against the Soviets the Afghan turned mujahdeens and became religious, but still the same mujahdeens will not accept the border. This is the root cause of the problems facing Pakistan. When your neighbouring nation doesn't accept the border and promotes greater Afghan concept, on top gives it an Islamic ideology, you are then looking for a long term instability and war.

The communist and liberal Afghans hated Pakistan equally as much as the current religious nutters.

 

[PakAlp]

India openly supported the Karzai regime. The primary purpose of a consulate is to provide consular services and India was providing help to the Afghans in many civil and some defence areas which necessitated the consulates.

You seem to have conveniently forgotten that all consulates have been shut since Pakistan helped the Taliban break the shackles of slavery imposed on the Afghans by US/ India.

I can believe that Indian intelligence supported the BLA, but it is laughable to say India would directly support the TTP. They are just an offshot of the Afghan Taliban and India has spent billions of dollars helping anti- Taliban forces in Afghanistan. The Taliban is entirely an ISI creation that has now turned against its former handler because Pakistan is not Islamic enough.

No sane Pakistani would believe that India would prefer to have the TTP rule Pakistan over PMLN, PPP, PTI or direct martial law by the army. They are all known quantities. The Taliban getting control of Pakistani nukes would be the gravest setback to Indian security interests.

The policy would be to use TTP to destroy Pakistan economy and military, this will then bring chaos in to Pakistan and possible division of the nation, then use the chaos/civil war to request international forces intervention to secure the nukes. The Taliban and co will never get close to the nukes.

 

[PakAlp]

The communist and liberal Afghans hated Pakistan equally as much as the current religious nutters.

This is because they want to unite their land with the pashtuns of Pakistan. Not everyone is like Pakistan, they know their cause and mission very well. Even the IEA government mentioned the durand line is not a border but a line as mentioned in the wording Durand LINE, this is why the afghan were always moving across the border freely. If Pakistan seals the border the problem will become worse, the pashtuns have families across both sides. When the same Afghans turned religious, it didn't mean they will give up their land which they claim is there's. Pakistan problem is they continue to flirt with the same ideology, play around with them, try to divide them and keep them in check and its not working.

 

[FuturePAF]

Why do you think TTP threatened to attack Chitral ? They gave a heads up to GOP before the attack.

Secondly, why did they attack the border posts ? They could have infiltrated through other means. Their comrades could have commuted into Chitral from southern KPK under guises and could have created chaos inside Chitral before the actual attack began on border posts. Does that really mean that military had succeeding against the local TTP assets inside Pakistan to a large extent - which is what ISPR hinted at. I mean if Chitral is so important then go in with all force and cover all flanks for success.

Thirdly, the locals say TTP has made nests above hill from where they fire into the valley of Chitral. That’s target practice for ATGM, mortar and howitzers - stationary targets.

Fourthly, what do you think was the point of this attack ? What if they killed 20 soldiers ? Did they want to capture border posts ? Then set up their own posts ? That meant they expected local population to understand this land is theirs just like swat was once. That mentality isn’t going away that they own swathes of land in Pakistan to exercise their Version of sharia law.

Empowering local populations and their traditional representational systems is the best way to push back against these TTP efforts. The TTP can say anything, but if the population is with the GOP, then all the loses we will take or inflict will, in the grand scheme of things, not move the needle.

If should also look at what failed in Afghanistan, when the population there did not support the government of the Republic.

If the Current Pakistani establishment’s vision is to shift the narrative and root out some of the elite capture / corruption and stop smuggling, get the economy going again instead of holding elections, they are going to need to pay special attention to these border regions. The current Talibs in Afghanistan are “stable” because they have a steady stream of funds coming in from abroad. The smugglers provide local border areas steady income as well. Pakistan needs a large stream of income for the locals as an alternative. Mining and high value alpine agriculture / animal husbandry (as in Switzerland) could be that alternative.

The economy is the key center of gravity in these border regions, but it has to be locally based and labor force based, and inter-dependent with other businesses in the rest of Pakistan.

Politically the border can not be sealed, especially if we want to achieve our Central Asian goals, but the border needs to have multiple crossings with adequate methods to tax what moves across it, while preventing smugglers from earning by going around the border. The IEA needs to be integrated into our approach, so they don’t undermine our efforts. They need to be made to de facto recognize the border, but not in a way that makes them lose face.

https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/evaluations/SIGAR-23-05-IP.pdf

 

[HGV]

wow

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699518226072531327