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The world economy could be $300 billion poorer after the failure of the latest Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) talks in Hawaii. With time running out to salvage a deal, the U.S.-led trade pact risks becoming stalled indefinitely, handing the initiative to China’s rival grouping and reducing the prospect of much-needed productivity gains.

Hopes of a breakthrough were high when negotiators from the 12 TPP nations met Tuesday in the tropical U.S. island state to seek agreement after five years of talks. Comprising Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States and Vietnam, the grouping encompasses 40 percent of world gross domestic product (GDP) and a quarter of global exports, with a successful TPP potentially representing the world’s biggest trade accord in more than a decade.

Yet after much fanfare and encouraging initial reports, on Friday the TPP’s trade ministers ended their negotiations, releasing a joint statement that only committed to further talks.

The ministers announced that “after more than a week of productive meetings, we have made significant progress and will continue work on resolving a limited number of remaining issues, paving the way for the conclusion of the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations.

“Ministers and negotiators leave Hawaii committed to build on the momentum of this meeting by staying in close contact as negotiators continue their intensive engagement to find common ground. Negotiators will also continue to work to formalize the achievements that have been made this week.”

The Hawaii talks reportedly stalled over a range of issues, including auto, dairy and sugar exports, along with a proposed monopoly period for next-generation drugs.

After claiming earlier that a deal was “98 percent complete,” Australia’s Trade Minister Andrew Robb blamed the United States, Japan, Canada and Mexico for frustrating a final agreement.

“We have made progress on sugar and dairy but we haven’t concluded,” he told ABC News.

“You have to make concessions over an agreement but in many cases when you reach an agreement, it’s to both parties’ benefit.”

Japan’s Economic and Fiscal Policy Minister Akira Amari told reporters he was “confident” the outstanding issues could be resolved with “one more meeting,” likely in late August, although Malaysian Trade Minister Mustapa Mohamed said “there are still a number of remaining issues.”

However, according to the Oriental Economist’s Rick Katz, the negotiators have only the first two weeks of this month to conclude a deal, otherwise it will be “legally impossible” to bring the pact to a U.S. Congressional ratification vote this year.

“The Japanese know, for example, that the United States needs to ratify the TPP during 2015; otherwise, it will be hard to get it ratified until the next presidential term and that could spill over into 2018, not 2017, and possibly not be done at all,” noted Peter Drysdale, editor of the East Asia Forum.

While an APEC leaders summit is scheduled for November, by that stage the U.S. presidential election campaign is likely to overshadow trade talks. Adding to the potential stumbling blocks are Canada’s general election, which is scheduled for October, while Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe faces re-election as Liberal Democratic Party president on September 30.

‘Indefinite’ Gains

Nevertheless, policymakers can point to significant economic gains if an agreement can be reached. According to the Peterson Institute for International Economics, the TPP could boost world income by $295 billion a year over the next decade, an annual 1 percent GDP gain that “continues indefinitely.”

While Japan and the United States would account for two-thirds of the total estimated GDP gains, exports of member nations would also grow by some $440 billion.

The pact also allows for future accession by new members, with Asian nations including Indonesia, the Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand all having expressed interest in joining. China has also reportedly been invited to join by both U.S. and Japanese officials, despite suggestions the TPP is an “anti-China club.”

“Within a decade, the trade deal could also become a framework for meaningful bilateral engagement between the United States and China,” the Washington-based institute said.

Further adding to the case for the TPP, the International Monetary Fund’s (IMF’s) managing director Christine Lagarde has noted that 2015 could mark “the fourth consecutive year of below-average trade growth,” with a slowdown in trade liberalization a key factor.

“Multilateral negotiations have stalled, and regional trade initiatives have not matched the transformative effect of…the North American Free Trade Agreement,” she said in April.

“This is why policymakers need to press ahead with negotiations on the…TPP, as well as on its transatlantic cousin, the TTIP.”

The TPP could raise U.S. incomes by 0.4 percent, or $77 billion a year, while Japan is “keen to use the TPP to inject greater competition into its low-growth economy,” Lagarde said.

As pointed out by Bill Carmichael, former chairman of Australia’s Industries Assistance Commission, the real benefit from such trade deals is the opening up of protected sectors to competition, “including those protected by ‘behind-the-border barriers.”

The TPP has been described as the vital “third arrow” of Japan’s “Abenomics,” with the Japanese leaderreportedly using the external pressure to help leverage open the nation’s sheltered agricultural sector.

In July, the IMF said in its annual statement on Japan that the conclusion of the TPP would boost economic activity, “but only if it leads to deregulation of agriculture and domestic services sectors and elimination of most tariffs and non-tariff and investment barriers in Japan. Deregulation in [special economic zones] should be expedited with a view to rolling out these reforms nation-wide as soon as possible.”

U.S. ‘Pivot’ Goes AWOL

Politically, the TPP has been described as the centerpiece of U.S. President Barack Obama’s famed “Asia pivot,” helping cement U.S. economic as well as political and military leadership in the region.

While the United States already has trade pacts with most of the individual TPP members, an agreement would add Japan and other Asian trading partners, update existing U.S. free trade agreements and also “demonstrate to Asian partners that U.S. engagement in the region has an economic focus, alongside the obvious military dimension,” according to the Peterson Institute.

“If we don’t write the rules, China will write the rules out in that region,” U.S. President Barack Obama told theWall Street Journal. “We will be shut out.”

Yet according to the Australian Financial Review’s John Kehoe, the Hawaii talks failed partly due to the Obama administration seeking “a 21st century deal to boost intellectual property rights for its drug and technology companies, while retaining early 20th century rules to protect its agriculture sector.”

For the U.S. pivot, the latest failure represents a major blow, Kehoe argued.

“The breakdown of TPP talks is a huge geopolitical loss for the Obama administration and a gift to emerging rival China. The economic piece of the Obama administration’s much-hyped “rebalance” to Asia is now in disarray, as an ambitious Beijing plans an alternate Asia-Pacific trade deal,” he said.

China aims to conclude negotiations this year on its proposed Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), which would link the 10 ASEAN member nations with Australia, China, India, Japan, New Zealand and South Korea, accounting for a third of global GDP.

While the RCEP talks are far from completed, the TPP’s latest failure has put the trade ball firmly in Beijing’s court. For Washington, losing this latest game in the battle of Asia-Pacific ascendancy could be extremely damaging, while the rest of the world watches billions of dollars in potential economic gains disappear into the hidden hands of protectionists.

Trans-Pacific Partnership: Hawaii Talks End Without Deal | The Diplomat
 
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Why do you think USA only invite certain countries from ASEAN to negotiate first?

Simply, Divide and Conquer.

USA invited the ones with the weakest economies from ASEAN first and from a point of strength it can easily force the rules upon them. Even though Japan is one of USA's biggest ally and trade partner it didn't even get to formulate the rules from the beginning. USA came up with its rules first, put them on paper, then told Japan to sign the dotted line. Unfortunately, ASEAN and East Asia is divided so nobody can back Japan up. It will be just a matter of time Japan succumbs to USA's demand.

Again, Divide and Conquer.

USA separates ASEAN and negotiate with weaker economies first. ASEAN would be able to get a much better deal if it negotiates and join as a group, ASEAN.

USA continues to drive wedge between South Korea, Japan and China so it can easily pick them off one by one. Imagine the power and strength South Korea, Japan and China would have in the negotiating table if they came in as a group. Alas, no.

Even though many EU's economy is not doing that great, but at least they know some negotiating tactics. They would never allow themselves divide up like what USA is doing to ASEAN.

Sadly, it is what it is. The show must go on, even though some actors will get hurt on the process and after.
 
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The world economy has just been saved from the encroachment from the US business oligarchs to some degree.
 
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Correct. no one allow them to join TPP.

Sour grape :)

You couldn't be so wrong. It is China that chose not to join.

Interview: TPP without China would be "a failed agreement"
2015-08-02 01:17:51
by Xinhua writers Gao Pan, Shi Yingshan

MAUI, the United States, July 31 (Xinhua) -- U.S. experts say that the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal involving 12 countries in the Asia Pacific region would be "a failed agreement" without China's participation.

"China is the largest economy in Asia, we need it to be part of the TPP," Tami Overby, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's senior vice president for Asia, told Xinhua in an interview on the sidelines of the four-day TPP ministerial meeting held here with the aim of substantially concluding the ambitious Asia-Pacific trade talks.

The TPP talks involve Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States and Vietnam, covering about 40 percent of global economy. The TPP is central to the Obama administration's policy of advancing economic engagement in Asia and writing the rules for international trade and investment in the 21st century.

Overby dismissed the conception that the TPP was designed to contain China, noting that it's going to be "an open agreement." " The TPP, we hope, will be evolved into the FTAAP (Free Trade Area of the Asia Pacific), the framework of the Asia Pacific. So the TPP without China, in my view, will be a failed agreement," she said.

"Ultimately I think everyone realizes that TPP to be fully successful needs to have China as a member," Yukon Huang, a senior associate in the Asia Program of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told Xinhua. "My observation is, from the American perspective, you want China to be part of this if you really want to broaden the high standards."

Overby believed China certainly could meet the high standards of the TPP "if a country like the Vietnam is able to agree and to meet those high standards." "It doesn't mean that every country has to immediately do everything day one. There are transition periods, phase in, there can even be capacity building, some assistance, to help the economy get there," she said. While the U.S. wants to conclude the TPP negotiations with current members "because of timing issues," U.S. senior officials, including President Barack Obama and National Security Advisor Susan Rice, have publicly said they welcome China to join the trade agreement, David Dollar, senior fellow with the Brookings Institution and former official of the World Bank and the U.S. Treasury Department, told Xinhua. "All the members of the TPP would like to see China to join. There would be big benefits," Dollar said, suggesting China could negotiate something separate with the U.S. and the whole group of TPP countries if it does not want to join the existing agreement.

Many countries, including China, have begun to study the implications of the TPP for their economies, "both potential advantages of being a member in the future and also the challenges they would face in terms of meeting the high standards," said Jeffrey Schott, a senior fellow and trade expert at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

It's very interesting that some of the TPP obligations move in the same direction as China's domestic economic reform agenda announced at the third plenum of the 18th Communist Party of China Central Committee in late 2013, Schott told Xinhua.

"One thing that's attracting some attention in China is whether the TPP actually would complement and reinforce the ongoing process of economic reforms in China, consistent with the priorities set by the current Chinese leadership," he added.

China has an open attitude towards the TPP. Chinese Commerce Minister Gao Hucheng said in March that the country is open to all the free trade arrangements that are beneficial to the world's trade liberalization and regional economic integration, as long as they are open and transparent. He also mentioned that China has established information sharing mechanism with the United States regarding TPP negotiations, and the mechanism has been going well.

China's Vice Finance Minister Zhu Guangyao also said last October that a TPP agreement is incomplete without China. "For the TPP, frankly speaking, there have been internal debates within both the United States and the Chinese government. But now our position is clear. As China becomes more open, it's very important for us to be integrated into the global trade system with a high standard," he said.

While continuing studying the impact of these proposed new regional free trade deals, China has stepped up its efforts to accelerate its own free trade zone strategies in recent years as an important part of a new round of reform and opening-up.

China has established pilot free trade zones in Shanghai and other cities, concluded FTA negotiations with the Republic of Korea and Australia, intensified negotiations on a bilateral investment treaty with the United States and the European Union, and actively advanced negotiations on expanding the Information Technology Agreement (ITA) in the World Trade Organization (WTO), with the aim of promoting China's economic development and global trade liberalization that are beneficial to all countries.


Interview: TPP without China would be "a failed agreement"
 
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You couldn't be so wrong. It is China that chose not to join.

Interview: TPP without China would be "a failed agreement"
2015-08-02 01:17:51
by Xinhua writers Gao Pan, Shi Yingshan

MAUI, the United States, July 31 (Xinhua) -- U.S. experts say that the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal involving 12 countries in the Asia Pacific region would be "a failed agreement" without China's participation.

"China is the largest economy in Asia, we need it to be part of the TPP," Tami Overby, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's senior vice president for Asia, told Xinhua in an interview on the sidelines of the four-day TPP ministerial meeting held here with the aim of substantially concluding the ambitious Asia-Pacific trade talks.

The TPP talks involve Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States and Vietnam, covering about 40 percent of global economy. The TPP is central to the Obama administration's policy of advancing economic engagement in Asia and writing the rules for international trade and investment in the 21st century.

Overby dismissed the conception that the TPP was designed to contain China, noting that it's going to be "an open agreement." " The TPP, we hope, will be evolved into the FTAAP (Free Trade Area of the Asia Pacific), the framework of the Asia Pacific. So the TPP without China, in my view, will be a failed agreement," she said.

"Ultimately I think everyone realizes that TPP to be fully successful needs to have China as a member," Yukon Huang, a senior associate in the Asia Program of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told Xinhua. "My observation is, from the American perspective, you want China to be part of this if you really want to broaden the high standards."

Overby believed China certainly could meet the high standards of the TPP "if a country like the Vietnam is able to agree and to meet those high standards." "It doesn't mean that every country has to immediately do everything day one. There are transition periods, phase in, there can even be capacity building, some assistance, to help the economy get there," she said. While the U.S. wants to conclude the TPP negotiations with current members "because of timing issues," U.S. senior officials, including President Barack Obama and National Security Advisor Susan Rice, have publicly said they welcome China to join the trade agreement, David Dollar, senior fellow with the Brookings Institution and former official of the World Bank and the U.S. Treasury Department, told Xinhua. "All the members of the TPP would like to see China to join. There would be big benefits," Dollar said, suggesting China could negotiate something separate with the U.S. and the whole group of TPP countries if it does not want to join the existing agreement.

Many countries, including China, have begun to study the implications of the TPP for their economies, "both potential advantages of being a member in the future and also the challenges they would face in terms of meeting the high standards," said Jeffrey Schott, a senior fellow and trade expert at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

It's very interesting that some of the TPP obligations move in the same direction as China's domestic economic reform agenda announced at the third plenum of the 18th Communist Party of China Central Committee in late 2013, Schott told Xinhua.

"One thing that's attracting some attention in China is whether the TPP actually would complement and reinforce the ongoing process of economic reforms in China, consistent with the priorities set by the current Chinese leadership," he added.

China has an open attitude towards the TPP. Chinese Commerce Minister Gao Hucheng said in March that the country is open to all the free trade arrangements that are beneficial to the world's trade liberalization and regional economic integration, as long as they are open and transparent. He also mentioned that China has established information sharing mechanism with the United States regarding TPP negotiations, and the mechanism has been going well.

China's Vice Finance Minister Zhu Guangyao also said last October that a TPP agreement is incomplete without China. "For the TPP, frankly speaking, there have been internal debates within both the United States and the Chinese government. But now our position is clear. As China becomes more open, it's very important for us to be integrated into the global trade system with a high standard," he said.

While continuing studying the impact of these proposed new regional free trade deals, China has stepped up its efforts to accelerate its own free trade zone strategies in recent years as an important part of a new round of reform and opening-up.

China has established pilot free trade zones in Shanghai and other cities, concluded FTA negotiations with the Republic of Korea and Australia, intensified negotiations on a bilateral investment treaty with the United States and the European Union, and actively advanced negotiations on expanding the Information Technology Agreement (ITA) in the World Trade Organization (WTO), with the aim of promoting China's economic development and global trade liberalization that are beneficial to all countries.


Interview: TPP without China would be "a failed agreement"
The author is Chinese, right ? so, just a sour grape article :)
 
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The author is Chinese, right ? so, just a sour grape article :)

Are you serious? Didn't you just write "no one allow them to join TPP"? The quotes I highlighted in the article were from foreign experts of TPP. Even Obama and Rice have, on record, said they welcome China to be part of the TPP. All of that contradict what you wrote.
 
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Are you serious? Didn't you just write "no one allow them to join TPP"? The quotes I highlighted in the article were from foreign experts of TPP. Even Obama and Rice have, on record, said they welcome China to be part of the TPP. All of that contradict what you wrote.
Okay, then "no one allow them to join TPP as a partner, US only want China to join as a slave".

And why ?? coz base on TPP rules, US companies can sue China Govt , and it surely will lead to serious uprising like Tienanmen square incident again :)

I could not detect any anxiety or sour grapes in there. China remains calm.
Coz " remaining calm" is the only thing you can do. Just like Russia has to remain calm to US sanction :)
 
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Okay, then "no one allow them to join TPP as a partner, US only want China to join as a slave".

And why ?? coz base on TPP rules, US companies can sue China Govt , and it surely will lead to serious uprising like Tienanmen square incident again :)


Coz " remaining calm" is the only thing you can do. Just like Russia has to remain calm to US sanction :)
That is pure hypothetical.
 
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Why do you think USA only invite certain countries from ASEAN to negotiate first?

Simply, Divide and Conquer.

USA invited the ones with the weakest economies from ASEAN first and from a point of strength it can easily force the rules upon them. Even though Japan is one of USA's biggest ally and trade partner it didn't even get to formulate the rules from the beginning. USA came up with its rules first, put them on paper, then told Japan to sign the dotted line. Unfortunately, ASEAN and East Asia is divided so nobody can back Japan up. It will be just a matter of time Japan succumbs to USA's demand.

Again, Divide and Conquer.

USA separates ASEAN and negotiate with weaker economies first. ASEAN would be able to get a much better deal if it negotiates and join as a group, ASEAN.

USA continues to drive wedge between South Korea, Japan and China so it can easily pick them off one by one. Imagine the power and strength South Korea, Japan and China would have in the negotiating table if they came in as a group. Alas, no.

Even though many EU's economy is not doing that great, but at least they know some negotiating tactics. They would never allow themselves divide up like what USA is doing to ASEAN.

Sadly, it is what it is. The show must go on, even though some actors will get hurt on the process and after.

The US don't want China in TPP from the start because with China in the group negotiating the rules, the US muscle will be counterbalanced by China.

What the US wants is to first get weaker countries to lay out all the rules which will be in favour of US corporations and then get stronger countries like China join up in the future once the rules are already established. This way China has no say in how the rules are made.

TPP would fail if China is in the negotiations from the start.

TPP is not there to counter China, it's to ensure the continuing dominance of US corporations.

TPP is daylight robbery.
 
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