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@Rashid Mahmood Why are they protesting?

Police use water cannons to disperse teachers' protest in Islamabad
Pakistan
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October 23, 2019


Protesters vow to continue sit-in till their demands aren't met

ISLAMABAD: Police used water cannons to disperse Basic Education Community Schools (BESC) teachers on Wednesday at D-Chowk.

The BESC teachers were protesting over non-payment of salaries. They also demanded the government to upgrade their status as permanent employees.

When the government called on the teachers to end their protest, they started marching towards the Parliament House. Police used water cannons to halt protesters.

The defiant teachers said that their protest would continue till their demands were not accepted by the government.

“We have taught children in far-flung areas,” said one teacher. “Compensation is our right.”

Another teacher said that he had not received compensation since the past eight months.

The BECS teachers said that no government representative came to their sit-in protest to negotiate terms with them. They said that till their demands weren’t met, their sit-in protest at D-Chowk would continue.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/252408-police-use-water-cannons-to-disperse-teachers-protest-in-islamabad



I have stopped responding to Australians Canadians Americans Europeans ----- I have no interest in wasting time with those who have ran away from Pakistan.


Electronics traders to observe shutter down strike on October 29, 30
By Kazim Raza Rizvi28-Oct-2019
KARACHI: The Karachi Electronics Dealers Association (KEDA) has announced to join All Pakistan Traders Association and all the markets in Karachi would observe complete shutter down strike on October 29 and 30, 2019.

Addressing a press conference on Monday, President KEDA Rizwan Irfan said wrong policies and government’s apathy towards the problems being faced by business community had significantly reduced business activity in the country.

He said the business community could not afford to pay any additional tax as inflation and devaluation of currency had already hit them hard.

Country’s business community will observe a two-day shutter down strike on October 29 and 30 against the imposition of taxes, and warned to expand the protest if the condition of presenting a CNIC copy for buying and selling goods is not withdrawn.

Rizwan said the demands were the same which they had been pushing since the announcement of federal budget. “The authorities are only using delaying tactics and they have not met any single of our demands.”

The traders are protesting against the 17 percent Sales Tax in VAT mode, higher turnover tax, provision of CNIC copy on transactions of Rs50,000 and above and several other taxes.

Traders are of the view that additional taxes had increased prices adversely impacting their sales and business.

https://customnews.pk/2019/10/28/el...observe-shutter-down-strike-on-october-29-30/
Pakistan would have been in much better shape if dharti pe booj people like you had run away as well. Also I contribute more towards Pakistan in one year than will do in a lifetime, so don't overestimate your importance.
 
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To be fair, privatizing state-owned enterprises isn't always the solution.
It is, because Government has no business to run business. Bureaucrats are not equipped to make business & commercial decisions. If PIA & Pakistan Steel Mills were totally shut down, nothing would happen because they serve no national / strategic interest at all. In a global economy these blood sucking entities are killing our economy. Just imagine the money being poured into these blackholes being spent to improve HDI (literacy, health, infrastructure, etc...).

In Pakistan, we should generally be aware that such sell-offs are suspicious until proven otherwise. In other words, you can have the gov't sell these assets off for cheap to friends/families or predatory outsiders, and in turn, pocket the money for themselves and let the industry corrode further.

I do not care if a thief gets them cheap. I want them off Pakistan's back and out of the budget. To ensure that a deal is transparent, Pakistan is willing to bleed trillions. There will ALWAYS be obfuscation & brouhaha no matter how these leeches are sold off. Burn them to the ground for all I care. Just. Get. Rid. Of. Them. Anyhow.

Personally, I'd rather push heavy-handed reforms across all state-owned enterprises. Gut the labor through either attrition or firing, put corporate leaders in charge, create a barrier between business governance and the gov't, and let them return to profitability. In turn, shift a manageable % of the profits to the state treasury, reviewable every 5 or 10 years, and maintain it.

That would fail again & again. Please stop considering them as state assets and know them to be state liabilities, because that is what these are. The only exception is Pakistan Railways & that too should eventually be privatized once the Motorway network is complete.
 
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Pakistan would have been in much better shape if dharti pe booj people like you had run away as well. Also I contribute more towards Pakistan in one year than will do in a lifetime, so don't overestimate your importance.
Puttar! We were born to die and be buried in this land --- whatever the socio-politico-economic situation is in the country, we have faced it and will face it in the future as well.

We don't run away out of fear of economics and for better lifestyle in western countries.
 
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It is, because Government has no business to run business. Bureaucrats are not equipped to make business & commercial decisions. If PIA & Pakistan Steel Mills were totally shut down, nothing would happen because they serve no national / strategic interest at all. In a global economy these blood sucking entities are killing our economy. Just imagine the money being poured into these blackholes being spent to improve HDI (literacy, health, infrastructure, etc...).

I do not care if a thief gets them cheap. I want them off Pakistan's back and out of the budget. To ensure that a deal is transparent, Pakistan is willing to bleed trillions. There will ALWAYS be obfuscation & brouhaha no matter how these leeches are sold off. Burn them to the ground for all I care. Just. Get. Rid. Of. Them. Anyhow.

That would fail again & again. Please stop considering them as state assets and know them to be state liabilities, because that is what these are. The only exception is Pakistan Railways & that too should eventually be privatized once the Motorway network is complete.

That my dear sir is gem of a post, watching the threads in this section copy/paste jobs or one liner solution to all economic woes of Pakistan to deep rooted political biases based blame games is an entertainment for people like me who consider themselves students of economics. In all consciousness I am absolutely certain that mostly people commenting here even diaper kiddies do have a deep ingrained love for Pakistan, they may believe/hold accountable different faces based upon their political affiliations but all are patriotic Pakistanis.

Before I talk about traders/PSM/PIA/Utility stores/roti corporation of any thing let me give an example of one Public Sector Entity (PSE) which was a drain on tax payers and country and that is PTCL. Right now I wouldn't discuss how much kick back Hafeez Sheikh got from etisalat while the privatization or sell off of about 27% shares may not have been transparent, let us look at the result.

There were huge protests, whole kashmir highway in Islamabad remained blocked for many days management operated from their houses, atleast one of them operated from my office (a good friend) which was very near to their HQ, the myth is PTCL fired them. Reality is they were all given a very handsome golden handshake, even the eligible are still drawing pension and benefits from PTET I may still have the list of benefits given to those employees. So what was the problem the employee union, there were 3200 operators which were redundant after digitization (ericcson exchanges I think), they were all part of the union doing nothing throughout the day except unnecessary politics, as per Mr. Mazhar SEVP HR they were all offered to learn a different trait to be accommodated in PTCL and most of them refused, haramkhori vs work I know what sarkari mulazim usually choose.

So Govt still hold a significant portion of ownership in PTCL I think 67% more or less, now GoP is earning money on this sick/drain first PTCL pays taxes @CORPORATE tax rate which is 29% all that goes to GoP, PTCL pay hefty dividend to all share holder GoP earns a hefty amount, most of the non-development, non-productivity is gone the economic activity from various uplift/up-gradation of PTCL through its chain of vendors is x20 compared to when it was owned by GoP taxes collected from people like us was wasted on bloated/useless/haramkhors.

The private sector is profit drive driven, in turn they pay taxes, public sector on the other hand is/should be services driven profit is not a concern nor is loss, we are not japanese, jobs in private sector are always at stake, jobs in public sector well every body knows.

When you go to PIA counter domestic departure for passengers without baggage in Karachi you ll see few familiar faced aunties/uncles whom I am seeing for decades perhaps were hired back in the day when orient air was gifted by Mr. Ispahani to GoP and rebranded as PIA, you ll always find them busy on either phone or having a geriatric pleasant date of eternity. There was once quite a show when one of the passengers had an exchange of word with the dinosaur of that counter to issue him the boarding pass instead of wasting his time, there was a ruckus at the airport but the old hag never issued the boarding card despite 45 minutes of pure b.s, had it been a private enterprise such useless crap would've be fired at the spot, but I still see her and people like her at PIA counter all the times.

If you just search each ministry website you ll be amazed to find departments commercial at that and you would have never heard their names in your life. Bureaucrats know nothing about operating a business, particularly when each spend about 3 years in one position and is then transferred out, even the Brits sold British telecom.

K.E is another example a loss making PSE is now making billions of profits.
 
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That my dear sir is gem of a post, watching the threads in this section copy/paste jobs or one liner solution to all economic woes of Pakistan to deep rooted political biases based blame games is an entertainment for people like me who consider themselves students of economics. In all consciousness I am absolutely certain that mostly people commenting here even diaper kiddies do have a deep ingrained love for Pakistan, they may believe/hold accountable different faces based upon their political affiliations but all are patriotic Pakistanis.

Before I talk about traders/PSM/PIA/Utility stores/roti corporation of any thing let me give an example of one Public Sector Entity (PSE) which was a drain on tax payers and country and that is PTCL. Right now I wouldn't discuss how much kick back Hafeez Sheikh got from etisalat while the privatization or sell off of about 27% shares may not have been transparent, let us look at the result.

There were huge protests, whole kashmir highway in Islamabad remained blocked for many days management operated from their houses, atleast one of them operated from my office (a good friend) which was very near to their HQ, the myth is PTCL fired them. Reality is they were all given a very handsome golden handshake, even the eligible are still drawing pension and benefits from PTET I may still have the list of benefits given to those employees. So what was the problem the employee union, there were 3200 operators which were redundant after digitization (ericcson exchanges I think), they were all part of the union doing nothing throughout the day except unnecessary politics, as per Mr. Mazhar SEVP HR they were all offered to learn a different trait to be accommodated in PTCL and most of them refused, haramkhori vs work I know what sarkari mulazim usually choose.

So Govt still hold a significant portion of ownership in PTCL I think 67% more or less, now GoP is earning money on this sick/drain first PTCL pays taxes @CORPORATE tax rate which is 29% all that goes to GoP, PTCL pay hefty dividend to all share holder GoP earns a hefty amount, most of the non-development, non-productivity is gone the economic activity from various uplift/up-gradation of PTCL through its chain of vendors is x20 compared to when it was owned by GoP taxes collected from people like us was wasted on bloated/useless/haramkhors.

The private sector is profit drive driven, in turn they pay taxes, public sector on the other hand is/should be services driven profit is not a concern nor is loss, we are not japanese, jobs in private sector are always at stake, jobs in public sector well every body knows.

When you go to PIA counter domestic departure for passengers without baggage you ll see few familiar faced aunties/uncles whom I am seeing for decades perhaps were hired back in the day when orient air was gifted by Mr. Ispahani to GoP and rebranded as PIA, you ll always find them busy on either phone or having a geriatric pleasant date of eternity. There was once quite a show when one of the passengers had an exchange of word with the dinosaur of that counter to issue him the boarding pass instead of wasting his time, there was a ruckus at the airport but the old hag never issued the boarding card despite 45 minutes of pure b.s, had it been a private enterprise such useless crap would've be fired at the spot, but I still see her and people like her at PIA counter all the times.

If you just search each ministry website you ll be amazed to find departments commercial at that and you would have never heard their names in your life. Bureaucrats know nothing about operating a business, particularly when each spend about 3 years in one position and is then transferred out, even the Brits sold British telecom.

K.E is another example a loss making PSE is now making billions of profits.

Though we are in serious OT territory, I am real glad that someone with great & original knowledge from business side is writing about real issues.

Politics & judicial activism around SOWs is messy and hugely counter-productive. In the recent article written by Shahid Khaqan Abbassi, he indirectly hinted at Establishment's interest as well. So, it would be a bold decision to get rid of SOWs ASAP. Whoever does this would do Pakistan a big favor.
 
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This thing & more happened in 2014 too. So, this is Karma...

Every government wants to push reforms and opposition tries to cash-out on the discontent.

It would not be amiss to recount how PTI & PPP blocked every move to privatize Steel Mills & PIA, the two gargantuan Albatrosses around Pakistan's neck.

Good leaders build consensus across party lines. Bad leaders call others bad names and refuse to engage. One can see where this goes.
As I recall, our current PM called on Pakistanis to stop paying their taxes at one time during dharna saga.

It was him who once called for a tax boycott and stood on a stage telling people to burn electricity bills. Everyone with any sense knew that all these antics would come back to bite once in government. Interestingly for me, looking back, this was the time I cut off from PTI too.

You reap the stupidity you sow, the real victims will again suffer poor economic management, underdevelopment etc.
 
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To be fair, privatizing state-owned enterprises isn't always the solution.

In Pakistan, we should generally be aware that such sell-offs are suspicious until proven otherwise. In other words, you can have the gov't sell these assets off for cheap to friends/families or predatory outsiders, and in turn, pocket the money for themselves and let the industry corrode further.

Personally, I'd rather push heavy-handed reforms across all state-owned enterprises. Gut the labor through either attrition or firing, put corporate leaders in charge, create a barrier between business governance and the gov't, and let them return to profitability. In turn, shift a manageable % of the profits to the state treasury, reviewable every 5 or 10 years, and maintain it.




To be fair if N league was an agenda to damage state institutions. Privatization in their government would have destroyed everything and any gains would have ended up in some bank in England and elsewhere.

Good leaders build consensus across party lines. Bad leaders call others bad names and refuse to engage. One can see where this goes.

Not really. It depends on what kind of opposition you are dealing with. PTI is there because people want it to cleanse the system from corrupts, not to have dinner party engagements with them.

Who was engaged in China during Mao's take over, except several heads chopped?
 
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Puttar! We were born to die and be buried in this land --- whatever the socio-politico-economic situation is in the country, we have faced it and will face it in the future as well.

We don't run away out of fear of economics and for better lifestyle in western countries.

You dont fear thats why complaining on regular basis? Even every day?
 
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i am a trader and i pay my taxes i dont want to go on strike but my market is closed. from my experience i can tell u 95% trader in my market are tax evaders. they smuggle goods they under invoice and they want strike.. good danda from Government. even after 2 day strike they have to pay taxes.. strike is only in punjab y karachi is not part of strike may b cz they pay taxes

We too have an auto shop. Market is on strike but our shop is open becuase we also pay our taxes.

People like you guys are an example for everyone to follow. You should put a banner on your shops that you pay tax, your income is halal, hence your business is open.

It is, because Government has no business to run business. Bureaucrats are not equipped to make business & commercial decisions. If PIA & Pakistan Steel Mills were totally shut down, nothing would happen because they serve no national / strategic interest at all. In a global economy these blood sucking entities are killing our economy. Just imagine the money being poured into these blackholes being spent to improve HDI (literacy, health, infrastructure, etc...).

I do not care if a thief gets them cheap. I want them off Pakistan's back and out of the budget. To ensure that a deal is transparent, Pakistan is willing to bleed trillions. There will ALWAYS be obfuscation & brouhaha no matter how these leeches are sold off. Burn them to the ground for all I care. Just. Get. Rid. Of. Them. Anyhow.

That would fail again & again. Please stop considering them as state assets and know them to be state liabilities, because that is what these are. The only exception is Pakistan Railways & that too should eventually be privatized once the Motorway network is complete.

I agree with you that government has no role in running businesses - that doesn't always translate to government should have no state owned businesses. I'll give you two international successful models we should replicate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn - A company owned by the German government that runs public transport as a business in 12 European countries including the UK. I travel on buses owned by the German government. No German politician works in this company. They own the asset and make money from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government-owned_companies_of_China - All these Chinese state owned enterprises.

I think the asset should remain with the government, the management and business should be handed over to a private investor and a profit sharing agreement hit upon. The only thing the government does, is take a share of profits. The investor is responsible for investment, upgrades, running it as a viable business. What does the investor get in return? A company for $1.
 
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You dont fear thats why complaining on regular basis? Even every day?
I don't complain, I just watch --- Our system is collapsing, brace for the impact.
(Alhamdulillah, I am satisfied with my life in Pakistan)
 
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I don't complain, I just watch --- Our system is collapsing, brace for the impact.
(Alhamdulillah, I am satisfied with my life in Pakistan)

Complaint once resonable but looks like its became habbit dont you think?

Let this govt complete its five year if couldntt deliver they will be gone like the rest but good indicators starts apprearing so wait is the only option.
 
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Complaint once resonable but looks like its became habbit dont you think?

Let this govt complete its five year if couldntt deliver they will be gone like the rest but good indicators starts apprearing so wait is the only option.
I don't know what I complaint about?
Obviously wait is the only thing we can do ---but things not gonna work, faces come and go, the system is cancerous, this has to GO (and we patiently wait for this system to collapse)

Joa power meyn Ata hai, usko nasha charh jata hai, just witnessed Maulana's workers khumaar on the roads of Lahore.
 
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I don't know what I complaint about?
Obviously wait is the only thing we can do ---but things not gonna work, faces come and go, the system is cancerous, this has to GO (and we patiently wait for this system to collapse)

Joa power meyn Ata hai, usko nasha charh jata hai, just witnessed Maulana's workers khumaar on the roads of Lahore.

Well all I can say this govt has taken steps which other fails to do. Those steps should be taken lov time ago but previous govt they let us corrupt first then they got thelicense to do the corruption as well.

If you think inflation goes higher because of this govt you are making and somehow supporting corrupt previous govt because they took loan in 2013-2014 and now time has come to return those money. Simple is that.
And regarding fazlu everyone knows why he is out there for a ministry and this govt either go with all this system or only fazlu will go
 
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People like you guys are an example for everyone to follow. You should put a banner on your shops that you pay tax, your income is halal, hence your business is open.



I agree with you that government has no role in running businesses - that doesn't always translate to government should have no state owned businesses. I'll give you two international successful models we should replicate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn - A company owned by the German government that runs public transport as a business in 12 European countries including the UK. I travel on buses owned by the German government. No German politician works in this company. They own the asset and make money from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government-owned_companies_of_China - All these Chinese state owned enterprises.

I think the asset should remain with the government, the management and business should be handed over to a private investor and a profit sharing agreement hit upon. The only thing the government does, is take a share of profits. The investor is responsible for investment, upgrades, running it as a viable business. What does the investor get in return? A company for $1.
Agreed. We shouldn't be reactionary or dogmatic with these things. Evaluate what each SOE brings and work out a solution that will make them self-sustaining and profitable.
 
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Though we are in serious OT territory, I am real glad that someone with great & original knowledge from business side is writing about real issues.

Politics & judicial activism around SOWs is messy and hugely counter-productive. In the recent article written by Shahid Khaqan Abbassi, he indirectly hinted at Establishment's interest as well. So, it would be a bold decision to get rid of SOWs ASAP. Whoever does this would do Pakistan a big favor.

Really enjoyed reading this thread. Learned much more in few posts than reading thru same ole 100's of more typical threads/convos this year and previous.

If there way for me to back ps3linux to be think tank here on forum if such an opportunity comes up at some point (I am not sure of the process involved) and such backing would be useful, please tell me. Quality need to be rewarded on this forum, so a much sounder discussion + deep (but specific) analysis culture can evolve again.
 
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