Toyota set to lead global auto sales for 3rd straight year

[lastofthepatriots]

Toyota fan here

 

[SD 10]

I am hoping for renewable environmental friendly feuls espacially hydrogen to succeed somehow.... EV's are just shit! They are not cars just computers!

 

[Song Hong]

I am hoping for renewable environmental friendly feuls espacially hydrogen to succeed somehow.... EV's are just shit! They are not cars just computers!

The engineering community has made the decision that hydrogen is the loser and battery the winner. I dont think hydrogen will make it next 100 years. There are lots of problems --- cant solve.

 

[Viet]

The days of Toyota are numbered. They are now like Nokia on the eve of iphone.

nonsense

Toyota is best in class when coming to price, longevity and quality. They will exist in hundred years.

The engineering community has made the decision that hydrogen is the loser and battery the winner. I dont think hydrogen will make it next 100 years. There are lots of problems --- cant solve.

Hydrogen is superior to electric. Hydrogen cars can run 2,000 km without refuel. Can any electric car do that? None. The biggest problem with hydrogen however is how to make hydrogen fuel cheaper.

 

[antonius123]

nonsense

Toyota is best in class when coming to price, longevity and quality. They will exist in hundred years.

So what people said about NOKIA. Lol

 

[SD 10]

The engineering community has made the decision that hydrogen is the loser and battery the winner. I dont think hydrogen will make it next 100 years. There are lots of problems --- cant solve.

there are other renewable options some companies are trying to make that work such as biofeul that will be cheaper and effective!

 

[hirobo2]

Toyota cars just get uglier with each new version. The only change I liked was when they made cheap Corolla sedan look like an expensive station wagon with huge butt/trunk. That car looked really good. The newer Toyotas and Lexuses bleh vomit vomit. They should hire better designers especially for Lexus those cars look like poor man's joke nowadays!

 

[epebble]

The engineering community has made the decision that hydrogen is the loser and battery the winner. I dont think hydrogen will make it next 100 years. There are lots of problems --- cant solve.

At least where I live, it is the market that makes the decision, not 'engineering community' - whatever that may be. That said, I am not convinced hydrogen is ready for production yet. But I also see hurdles in pure EV.

1. At present cost is much higher than gas cars.
2. Cost of replacing battery is too high. So, used car market, which is very active in gas cars that with good build quality and maintenance can easily last 20 years, is hard to develop. I see dramatic loss (read - almost zero) in value for cars after 8 - 10 years. That is a major depreciation if one has paid $40,000.
3. Yet to see good recycling technology and infrastructure for used batteries develop.
4. I am seeing a very disconcerting aspect of Evs: in a collision, they catch fire and are difficult to extinguish. Leads to total loss for both vehicles and sometimes to adjacent properties. This will be an issue with liability insurance in due course.
5. People are getting caught with dead cars in a blizzard as outdoor chargers don't work below -20 Celsius.

Just some issues I remember by reading/watching. By no means an expert.

 

[Song Hong]

At least where I live, it is the market that makes the decision, not 'engineering community' - whatever that may be. That said, I am not convinced hydrogen is ready for production yet. But I also see hurdles in pure EV.

1. At present cost is much higher than gas cars.
2. Cost of replacing battery is too high. So, used car market, which is very active in gas cars that with good build quality and maintenance can easily last 20 years, is hard to develop. I see dramatic loss (read - almost zero) in value for cars after 8 - 10 years. That is a major depreciation if one has paid $40,000.
3. Yet to see good recycling technology and infrastructure for used batteries develop.
4. I am seeing a very disconcerting aspect of Evs: in a collision, they catch fire and are difficult to extinguish. Leads to total loss for both vehicles and sometimes to adjacent properties. This will be an issue with liability insurance in due course.
5. People are getting caught with dead cars in a blizzard as outdoor chargers don't work below -20 Celsius.

Just some issues I remember by reading/watching. By no means an expert.

If "market" is so clever, ask "market" implement a hydrogen vehicle and "market" can go and buy.

You have NO idea of how difficult and inefficient a hydrogen car is. The engineers see that. Engineers see battery EV has issues at present but they can be surmount in future.

 

[epebble]

If "market" is so clever, ask "market" implement a hydrogen vehicle and "market" can go and buy.

You have NO idea of how difficult and inefficient a hydrogen car is. The engineers see that. Engineers see battery EV has issues at present but they can be surmount in future.

I think Hydrogen is not yet fully ready. But you have this nevertheless:

 

[Song Hong]

I think Hydrogen is not yet fully ready. But you have this nevertheless:

Look at the efficiency -- electricity to kinetics. There is no way you can bring up hydrogen efficiency other than a few percentage points.

And besides, you have lots of problem in material engineering that is very difficult to solve.

Which is why engineers decided....

I bet you are not engineers

 

[sms]

I have a feeling Toyota is waiting to make the quantum leap directly to Hydrogen fuel cell technology and will keep selling hybrids till then

No, Hydrogen is dead Toyota along with other few trying to sell it for last 20 yrs.

Full electric can grow to a certain extent (limited) till we get an revolution in battery tech.

 

[Paitoo]

No, Hydrogen is dead Toyota along with other few trying to sell it for last 20 yrs.

Full electric can grow to a certain extent (limited) till we get an revolution in battery tech.

Revolution in battery tech will happen. I am very optimistic of EVs taking off in India too in the next 5 years. There are many app based chargers being set up by EV startups and these in my opinion will lead the revolution from an infra perspective. The ones dragging their feet are housing societies which are not actively chasing these startups to install them. All they need is dedicated 4-5 parking slots per 100 apartments. With 45 minute fast charging this is enough for city runabouts. We can go like this for the next 5 years and during this time the tech will improve, enabling people to drive outstation too.

 

[epebble]

Look at the efficiency -- electricity to kinetics. There is no way you can bring up hydrogen efficiency other than a few percentage points.

And besides, you have lots of problem in material engineering that is very difficult to solve.

Which is why engineers decided....

I bet you are not engineers

I am an engineer, just different kind. In your energetics diagram, I don't see factors like battery weight/size vs. hydrogen tank weight/size. If the battery weight/size, for same distance of travel, is much larger than hydrogen tank weight/size, that will be a factor too. Another factor is expected life of battery vs. hydrogen-fuel cell system. Hydrogen tank probably has long life. I don't know life of fuel cell. Another thing the demo mentioned was fueling time is 5 minutes for H2. That might matter to the impatient crowd. Hopefully, H2 car will not freeze during a blizzard as fuel cell is slightly exothermic, I think.