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To the moon and back, Chinese R&D is leaving the US behind
It’s telling that the same day a Chinese rocket collected lunar rocks, a key US radio telescope collapsed

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The Chang’e-5 spent two days gathering lunar dirt and rocks before planting and unfurling a Chinese flag, and then blasting off © CNSA/Handoit/Reuters

Matthew Slaughter
December. 14 2020

Many people around the world, especially in the US, are focused on the prospect of Covid-19 stimulus packages. But for the long-run health of the world’s nations, the most important pieces of recent economic news may have come from two unexpected places: Puerto Rico and the moon. On the first morning of December, the Arecibo radio telescope of the US National Science Foundation in Puerto Rico collapsed.

In seconds, the instrument’s 900-tonne constellation of radio receivers and girders crashed into the massive radio dish hundreds of feet below. Since its completion in 1963, Arecibo has been among the world’s most powerful radars. It anchored earth’s search for extraterrestrial life; its examination of the heavens contributed to foundational discoveries and Nobel Prizes.

But there are no current plans for its rebuilding or replacement. That same day, but on the moon, China landed a spacecraft. The Chang’e-5 spent two days gathering lunar dirt and rocks before planting and unfurling a Chinese flag, and then blasting off. On Sunday, it docked flawlessly in the moon’s orbit with its return-journey vehicle.

Chang’e-5 was China’s third successful moon landing since 2013. If the mission ends as planned, China will be only the third nation to return moon materials back to earth for research. One of the most important opportunities for building economic prosperity comes from basic research. New knowledge generates social returns that can far exceed private returns as ideas can often be shared freely.

Scholars consistently estimate that the social return to research and development is at least 30 per cent. One result of this is that private markets alone generate too little investment in research. So the proper solution to this positive externality is for governments to support it. Indeed, the US’s founding fathers recognised this by writing the so-called “patent and copyright clause” into the constitution.

Once upon a time, the US government invested heavily in research. US federal R&D spending surged after the Soviets launched Sputnik, peaking in 1965 at 11.7 per cent of federal spending and at 2.2 per cent of gross domestic product. Frontier discoveries from that time led to the internet and GPS, the global navigation system.

But in the decades since putting a person on the moon, US government investment in ideas has waned. In constant dollars, Nasa spending had fallen by more than half by the early 1970s; it has been flat ever since. By 2019, total federal R&D spend constituted just 2.8 per cent of all federal spending and just 0.6 per cent of GDP — the lowest in over 60 years. Meanwhile, Chinese investment in research has surged. In launching its “Made in China 2025” plan five years ago, Beijing created more than 900 innovation funds that collectively planned nearly $350bn of new R&D investments.

This year, the US National Science Foundation’s biennial review reported that from 2000 through 2017, Chinese R&D spending grew at an average annual rate of around 17 per cent. This left the US increasingly “seen globally as an important leader rather than the uncontested leader” with China “rapidly closing the innovation gap.”

Indeed, an NSF official commented at a press briefing that preliminary 2019 data suggests that China has now surpassed the US in total R&D spending. Great nations summon the will to invest in tomorrow even during their darkest todays.

In the spring of 1862, the US Civil War was widening in scope and horror. Yet on May 5, Vermont senator Justin Smith Morrill reintroduced the Land-Grant Agricultural and Mechanical College Act.

This passed the Senate on June 10, the lower house on June 17, and was signed by President Abraham Lincoln on July 2. It allowed US states to sell portions of their federal lands to fund new colleges for research in agriculture, science and engineering. At that time, America was graduating only about 300 engineers a year, mainly from six institutions.

By 1870, 21 US colleges offered engineering degrees. By 1911, America was graduating about 3,000 engineers a year, versus fewer than 2,000 in Germany. Land-grant colleges helped power the US’s economic rise into the 20th century. Today, the Morrill Act is seen as a seminal US investment in research.

Amid the tragedy of the pandemic, the world’s two great economic superpowers continue to clash with each other in a trade war and other skirmishes. But last week, as the scientists of one nation mourned the collapse of one of its signature instruments, scientists of the other celebrated the prospect of discoveries soon to come. Will history view that moment as a harbinger?



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50 years after we landed there and having not much interest in those missions any longer, a regional power ALA the immature Chinese space program (which lost Mars race to even a poor neighbor like India! and then, of course, us) has found a 'western' media source to feel good about itself? :p: western media now goooood har har
 
50 years after we landed there and having not much interest in those missions any longer, a regional power ALA the immature Chinese space program (which lost Mars race to even a poor neighbor like India! and then, of course, us) has found a 'western' media source to feel good about itself? :p: western media now goooood har har
Yet US don't have the capability to return to the moon today. Sad demise of a once proud nation. Until recently US don't even have manned flight capabilities and depended on the Russians for it. That's really pathetic.

India? Yes using a PSLV and chadrayaan clone based on US deepspaxe support is nothing groubdbreaking. Without solid space technology, that's why India crashed into moon and Chandrayaan 1 had a power failure before completing a moon map. While China created the first 3d moon map.
 
What one used to be able to do doesn't mean they can still do it today, back in the cold war era, US and USSR were hot in space competition, they splurged disproportionate amount of their GDP in it in pursuing supremacy. They did achieve a lot but cost was too heavy, it can only happen in Cod War crazy era.
China is a different story, we are competing with no one, doing things once at a time, having a normal way to develop our science and technology.
For development of anything, it all boils down to money and fund, after US loses R&D race, soon it will lose its edge in this field.
 
China- "We came to the party circa 50 years later, but since we are wearing spandex and not polyester, please consider our space program better than the US and awesome". :meeting:


Yet US don't have the capability to return to the moon today. Sad demise of a once proud nation. Until recently US don't even have manned flight capabilities and depended on the Russians for it. That's really pathetic.

India? Yes using a PSLV and chadrayaan clone based on US deepspaxe support is nothing groubdbreaking. Without solid space technology, that's why India crashed into moon and Chandrayaan 1 had a power failure before completing a moon map. While China created the first 3d moon map.

Because we have moved on to Mars (a race you lost to us and India) and are not interested in the moon, it means we are lacking? lol. The brainwashing to make that twisted logic feel real, is a talent of CCP proportions, my friend :no:

China is not a leader in anything of real meaning, scientifically... Because of its habit of steal/copy/paste

 
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What one used to be able to do doesn't mean they can still do it today, back in the cold war era, US and USSR were hot in space competition, they splurged disproportionate amount of their GDP in it in pursuing supremacy. They did achieve a lot but cost was too heavy, it can only happen in Cod War crazy era.
China is a different story, we are competing with no one, doing things once at a time, having a normal way to develop our science and technology.
For development of anything, it all boils down to money and fund, after US loses R&D race, soon it will lose its edge in this field.

CCP propaganda talk only works inside the wall. Outside the wall, china is a world-renowned scientific and technology fraud. :meeting:


 
CCP propaganda talk only works inside the wall. Outside the wall, china is a world-renowned scientific and technology fraud. :meeting:


Probably a "fraud" space vehicle will bring back some fraud moon samples back to earth today. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
 
Probably a "fraud" space vehicle will bring back some fraud moon samples back to earth today.

You should have asked the Russians or us. We could have shown you a few we both collected over 40 and 52 years ago, respectively
 
To the moon and back, Chinese R&D is leaving the US behind
It’s telling that the same day a Chinese rocket collected lunar rocks, a key US radio telescope collapsed

https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F2f7c0d2f-3c39-42a6-8f22-71acfc45bcbb.jpg

The Chang’e-5 spent two days gathering lunar dirt and rocks before planting and unfurling a Chinese flag, and then blasting off © CNSA/Handoit/Reuters

Matthew Slaughter
December. 14 2020

Many people around the world, especially in the US, are focused on the prospect of Covid-19 stimulus packages. But for the long-run health of the world’s nations, the most important pieces of recent economic news may have come from two unexpected places: Puerto Rico and the moon. On the first morning of December, the Arecibo radio telescope of the US National Science Foundation in Puerto Rico collapsed.

In seconds, the instrument’s 900-tonne constellation of radio receivers and girders crashed into the massive radio dish hundreds of feet below. Since its completion in 1963, Arecibo has been among the world’s most powerful radars. It anchored earth’s search for extraterrestrial life; its examination of the heavens contributed to foundational discoveries and Nobel Prizes.

But there are no current plans for its rebuilding or replacement. That same day, but on the moon, China landed a spacecraft. The Chang’e-5 spent two days gathering lunar dirt and rocks before planting and unfurling a Chinese flag, and then blasting off. On Sunday, it docked flawlessly in the moon’s orbit with its return-journey vehicle.

Chang’e-5 was China’s third successful moon landing since 2013. If the mission ends as planned, China will be only the third nation to return moon materials back to earth for research. One of the most important opportunities for building economic prosperity comes from basic research. New knowledge generates social returns that can far exceed private returns as ideas can often be shared freely.

Scholars consistently estimate that the social return to research and development is at least 30 per cent. One result of this is that private markets alone generate too little investment in research. So the proper solution to this positive externality is for governments to support it. Indeed, the US’s founding fathers recognised this by writing the so-called “patent and copyright clause” into the constitution.

Once upon a time, the US government invested heavily in research. US federal R&D spending surged after the Soviets launched Sputnik, peaking in 1965 at 11.7 per cent of federal spending and at 2.2 per cent of gross domestic product. Frontier discoveries from that time led to the internet and GPS, the global navigation system.

But in the decades since putting a person on the moon, US government investment in ideas has waned. In constant dollars, Nasa spending had fallen by more than half by the early 1970s; it has been flat ever since. By 2019, total federal R&D spend constituted just 2.8 per cent of all federal spending and just 0.6 per cent of GDP — the lowest in over 60 years. Meanwhile, Chinese investment in research has surged. In launching its “Made in China 2025” plan five years ago, Beijing created more than 900 innovation funds that collectively planned nearly $350bn of new R&D investments.

This year, the US National Science Foundation’s biennial review reported that from 2000 through 2017, Chinese R&D spending grew at an average annual rate of around 17 per cent. This left the US increasingly “seen globally as an important leader rather than the uncontested leader” with China “rapidly closing the innovation gap.”

Indeed, an NSF official commented at a press briefing that preliminary 2019 data suggests that China has now surpassed the US in total R&D spending. Great nations summon the will to invest in tomorrow even during their darkest todays.

In the spring of 1862, the US Civil War was widening in scope and horror. Yet on May 5, Vermont senator Justin Smith Morrill reintroduced the Land-Grant Agricultural and Mechanical College Act.

This passed the Senate on June 10, the lower house on June 17, and was signed by President Abraham Lincoln on July 2. It allowed US states to sell portions of their federal lands to fund new colleges for research in agriculture, science and engineering. At that time, America was graduating only about 300 engineers a year, mainly from six institutions.

By 1870, 21 US colleges offered engineering degrees. By 1911, America was graduating about 3,000 engineers a year, versus fewer than 2,000 in Germany. Land-grant colleges helped power the US’s economic rise into the 20th century. Today, the Morrill Act is seen as a seminal US investment in research.

Amid the tragedy of the pandemic, the world’s two great economic superpowers continue to clash with each other in a trade war and other skirmishes. But last week, as the scientists of one nation mourned the collapse of one of its signature instruments, scientists of the other celebrated the prospect of discoveries soon to come. Will history view that moment as a harbinger?



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usa has done it 60 years ago , by own research , not by reverse engineering.
Probably a "fraud" space vehicle will bring back some fraud moon samples back to earth today. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

haha ha fake masters are questioning greatest superpower .
 
usa has done it 60 years ago , by own research , not by reverse engineering.


haha ha fake masters are questioning greatest superpower .
What they can do 60 years ago doesn't mean they can still do it today, that's the result of desperate all out space race between two superpowers, what China is doing is just normal space development not aiming to beat anyone. and it's the first try in the human history to have 3 feats in one shot, landing on the moon, retrieving the sample and coming back to earth.

Anyway, as I mentioned, for development in any fields, money and funds dictate, if US lost R&D race, it'll be the beginning of the end.
 
are you sure it was not stolen Vedic technology?
Stolen by Invaders and invented everything, this is what Indians claim.

no it was inspired by your flying horse . :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
 
China- "We came to the party circa 50 years later, but since we are wearing spandex and not polyester, please consider our space program better than the US and awesome". :meeting:




Because we have moved on to Mars (a race you lost to us and India) and are not interested in the moon, it means we are lacking? lol. The brainwashing to make that twisted logic feel real, is a talent of CCP proportions, my friend :no:

China is not a leader in anything of real meaning, scientifically... Because of its habit of steal/copy/paste

India? Again? Are you yindoo by any chance? That's twice mentioning of India already. Lost to US? We were never in a race in the first place. US is of course ahead of us in Mars but manned space? Heck up until recently you can't even send supplies to space. That's pathetic. US don't even have Yue technology to retrieve space materials now.

As for India, they will stop bragging once we become the first Asian to land a rover on Mars.
 
What they can do 60 years ago doesn't mean they can still do it today, that's the result of desperate all out space race between two superpowers, what China is doing is just normal space development not aiming to beat anyone. and it's the first try in the human history to have 3 feats in one shot, landing on the moon, retrieving the sample and coming back to earth.

Anyway, as I mentioned, for development in any fields, money and funds dictate, if US lost R&D race, it'll be the beginning of the end.
western countries know how you steal scientific knowledge from their labs , now they are vigilant to guard their hard earned knowledge. your thief students have been caught in stealing and smuggling secrets to china from american labs .
 
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