Though strategist Putin vs. silly weak Obama

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Thats only on surface. You should not confuse what politicians say with what they mean. Egypt still receives aid from US + aid from KSA which is another US ally. So its fully in US sphere.

While the only ally of Russia in ME is totally destroyed Syria, thanks to "wise" policies of Putin.

Egypt is lucky that they ere not allies of Russia, otherwise they were now barrel bombing Cairo neighborhoods in support of Mubarak.

I think because its 'only' ally you try to keep situation under your control, in any way possible. Russia's only warm water port is in syria, right?
Egypt is not central to US's interest, KSA(and israel) are. They went to war with iraq for a tiny country(actually to support that US will stand behind their ally and will even go to war)

 

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I think because its 'only' ally you try to keep situation under your control, in any way possible. Russia's only warm water port is in syria, right?
Egypt is not central to US's interest, KSA(and israel) are. They went to war with iraq for a tiny country(actually to support that US will stand behind their ally and will even go to war)

I am saying that if Putin had brains and told Assad to oust in 2011, the whole war would be spared. But he is a tough guy. He does not bend to pressure of some protesters. He told Assad to call them "rats", "agents of CIA" and shot them all, when it did not work then fire artillery, when it did not work then barrel bomb, starve, gas them.

P.S. Russia never had any base in Syria, thats another bluff.

 

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I am saying that if Putin had brains and told Assad to oust in 2011, the whole war would be spared. But he is a tough guy. He does not bend top pressure of some protesters. He told Assad to call them "rats", "agents of CIA" and shot them all, when it did not work then fire artillery, when it did not work then barrel bomb, starve, gas them.

P.S. Russia never had any base in Syria, thats another bluff.

what if the next regime that came was anti russian? if russia has invested so much on relationship with a dictator or family, it will be stupid to just give away.
All am saying is, putin did not have much choice, the macho image is not the main issue.
ok. was wrong about warm water port.

 

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what if the next regime that came was anti russian? if russia has invested so much on relationship with a dictator or family, it will be stupid to just give away.
All am saying is, putin did not have much choice, the macho image is not the main issue.
ok. was wrong about warm water port.

Assad regime was "pro Russian" only because Russia gave him billions. Next regime would not refuse Russia's billions.

 

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The premise of this thread- Al Sisi, USA puppet-great.......Assad, Putin puppet, bad.

Number of victims is irelevant in the great game and the number is only being used here to illustrate some sort of moral superiority of Uh-bama regime over Putin's.

The dear poster neglects to mention that in Egypt there was no civil war, military stood down, waited it out and made a coup later with the support of the populace.

 

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The premise of this thread- Al Sisi, USA puppet-great.......Assad, Putin puppet, bad.

Number of victims is irelevant in the great game and the number is only being used here to illustrate some sort of moral superiority of Uh-bama regime over Putin's.

The dear poster neglects to mention that in Egypt there was no civil war, military stood down, waited it out and made a coup later with the support of the populace.

it also ignores the attitude of military towards civilian population in both counries... in egypt military is still not an evil enemy, and many egyptians still feel connected to it... where as in syria its sectarian, you are either friend or enemy.
I dont think egyptian military would have bombed their people just to be in power.

 

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it also ignores the attitude of military towards civilian population in both counries... in egypt military is still not an evil enemy, and many egyptians still feel connected to it... where as in syria its sectarian, you are either friend or enemy.
I dont think egyptian military would have bombed their people just to be in power.

It's a Jew spinning tales. Oy Vey!

Israel has an active stake in disintegration of Syria anyway,oil and water in Golan would then be all theirs. Assuming they can keep the crazies away, which they can.

 

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ok a lot is wrong with this

2 Egypt is more friendly with russia these days than the US

Sadat left Egypt in ambiguous position..She is a pillar of the US hegemony in Africa, she makes eyes to Russia only, but she can't break loose from the US.

3 the US wanted the brotherhood to rule in Egypt

The MB's are more malleable, they tried to do the same with the Algerian FIS

4 obama policy has left the US with no real allay in the region

The US doesn't have allies, the only ally she needs is Britain, the rest of what the US calls her allies, are in fact "tool countries" to carry her policies..

 

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The premise of this thread- Al Sisi, USA puppet-great.......Assad, Putin puppet, bad.

Number of victims is irelevant in the great game and the number is only being used here to illustrate some sort of moral superiority of Uh-bama regime over Putin's.

This post shows u lack basic reading comprehension skills.

The dear poster neglects to mention that in Egypt there was no civil war, military stood down, waited it out and made a coup later with the support of the populace.

The situation in the beginning was equal. But then Mubarak was ousted while Assad continued to murder more and more leading to civil war.

 

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This post shows u lack basic reading comprehension skills.

Ofcourse.

P.S. Russia never had any base in Syria, thats another bluff.

Since Russia forgave Syria of three quarters, or $9.6 billion, of its $13.4 billion Soviet-era debt and became its main arms supplier in 2006, it has been reported that Russia and Syria have conducted talks about allowing Russia to develop and enlarge its naval facility, so that Russia can strengthen its naval presence in the Mediterranean.[7] Amid Russia's deteriorating relations with the West, because of the 2008 South Ossetia War and plans to deploy a US missile defense shield in Poland, President Assadreportedly agreed to the port’s conversion into a permanent Middle East base for Russia’s nuclear-armed warships.[8] Since 2009, Russia reportedly has been renovating the Tartus naval base and dredging the port to allow access for its larger naval vessels.[9]

Russian naval facility in Tartus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More of my "basic reading comprehension" fail?

The situation in the beginning was equal. But then Mubarak was ousted while Assad continued to murder more and more leading to civil war.

How was it the same if in one country the army stood back and in the other it was under direct orders of Assad?

Your basic premise is flawed. Only thing "equal" were the demonstrations. The reaction to them differed completely, perhaps it was Sisi's endgame to just stand by, when the MB overthrew Mubarak, knowing he can obstruct them in whatever policy they will want to enact, which would result in more demonstrations, after which he could ascend to the top spot.

 

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Ofcourse.

Russian naval facility in Tartus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More of my "basic reading comprehension" fail?

So what are u trying t prove with ur Wiki article? All Russia had prior civil war in Tartus is two old dudes who did not even received salary normally.

How was it the same if in one country the army stood back and in the other it was under direct orders of Assad?

Your basic premise is flawed. Only thing "equal" were the demonstrations. The reaction to them differed completely, perhaps it was Sisi's endgame to just stand by, when the MB overthrew Mubarak, knowing he can obstruct them in whatever policy they will want to enact, which would result in more demonstrations, after which he could ascend to the top spot.

In the beginning reaction was same: killing hundreds of protesters. Then they realized that killing does not work and kicked Mubarak out. While Syria backed by Putin and Ayatulas INTENSIFIED murder. As result Egypt is fine and Syria totally destroyed.

 

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I don't understand this, the Russians helped Egypt in the Israel VS Egypt war, many Israeli pilots were shot down thanks to Russian help.

Why would anyone think US is supporting Egypt?

I think truth is very different, I think US is just making sure Egypt is poor and corrupted without any real power and economic growth. I doubt Israel and the US forgot how Egypt was allied with Russia in the past.

That would explain why every damn thing in Egypt is imported from Turkey etc, they can't even produce simple food items with a 80 million population.

Similar to Iran it will remain a shit hole until it becomes Israel friendly, but Iran is going the wrong direction they just let Russian missiles fly over their territory.

As for Turkey no idea what's going on, talked to an older Turkish christian orthodox man yesterday and he told me Erdogan was actually jewish. We got US bases and US nukes and radar and all that + NATO but there is something about Turkey that just doesn't make sense.

The Israel VS Turkey bullying incident was a hoax, the trade actually improved a lot during the boat incident. A lot of smoke and mirrors going on in the ME.

Reality check please.

Very interesting what the older Turkish Christian mentioned.
As you know the Young Turks were heavily of Jewish descent. Question is has this power structure of crypto Jewish power really disappeared or does it persist in different manifestations in today's Turkey?

I am saying that if Putin had brains and told Assad to oust in 2011, the whole war would be spared. But he is a tough guy. He does not bend to pressure of some protesters. He told Assad to call them "rats", "agents of CIA" and shot them all, when it did not work then fire artillery, when it did not work then barrel bomb, starve, gas them.

P.S. Russia never had any base in Syria, thats another bluff.

Really? Russia does not use any Syrian port for her ships? Can you offer some proof? I was under the impression, from Western media, that Russia have use of a Base.

 

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Really? Russia does not use any Syrian port for her ships? Can you offer some proof? I was under the impression, from Western media, that Russia have use of a Base.

Here Russian state TV report from Tartus base in 2012:

It says that everyone who remained there is that dude and his driver. And they dont even receive wage for half year and survive thanks to food brought by bypassing sailors and little garden.

 

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Assad regime was "pro Russian" only because Russia gave him billions. Next regime would not refuse Russia's billions.

The next regime would be supported by NATO. NATO would be in Syria, like they did with Libya. Russia knows this. Israel knows this. NATO will then up the ante by giving more support to "freedom fighters" in the autonomous Caucaus regions in an attempt to further contain Christian Russia.

The next regime would be "Islamic" and would ostensibly threaten the existence of the Imposter state of Israel, such that Israel and her friend's in the "international community" can then start a propaganda war with the ultimate intention of preemptive strikes to facilitate territorial expansion to the Biblical ones.
Russia had thrown a spanner in the works. Thank God for Christian Russia.

 

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So what are u trying t prove with ur Wiki article? All Russia had prior civil war in Tartus is two old dudes who did not even received salary normally.

If something is yours, it's still yours irrespective of what use you may have for it and how you use it.

In the beginning reaction was same: killing hundreds of protesters. Then they realized that killing does not work and kicked Mubarak out. While Syria backed by Putin and Ayatulas INTENSIFIED murder. As result Egypt is fine and Syria totally destroyed.

Look, Egyptian army is a state within a stae, you know that. With it come certain ambitions, reinforced once the leading element of the army starts disagreeing with policy decisions made by politicians.
Syria had no such thing, no Sisi who calculated he can weather it out for a year while MB tried to govern.