The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know

[livingdead]

I would not stop anyone, who want to go.

you can openly say those who bring money stay.. and those who leech can leave.. we all know what germans think already its no secret.

 

[Darmashkian]

The EU has no choice but to negotiate a favorable treaty with the UK, to ensure that trade flows remain smooth.

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/

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$420bn of imports from Europe, with Germany alone accounting for $100bn. Everyone who thinks that the EU will engage in a spiteful act of "punishment" is engaged in self-delusion, because the EU would only destroy its own economy. After everyone has time to cool their heads, a calm and measured discussion will take place.

shhhh @mike2000 is back please join me in telling others not to show us facts please

Markus may force the EU army to declare war against the US!!

On the other hand, thank you very much for posting this sir

@flamer84 @MarkusS I understand what u are going through, I used to a belong to a large state in India which was bifurcated in 2 just 2-3 years back.

The state had 3 regions-A,B &C

The region-A which had a highly developed state capital,IT & pharma industry & most of the state's revenue accused the other regions-B,C of being evil,showing political dominance & not caring about them(fueled by a bunch of jobless politicos & idiot leftist intellectuals & profs+jobless students ).

Many of them even talked about kicking all of those from B & C who had emigrated to A & the capital by force from their region, even those whose parents were from B & C & were born in A were to be kicked out.(Thankfully they calmed down+Courts & Central Government.)

& due to birfurcation they took everything & left B & C without a capital,money & a huge fiscal deficit leaving them to rebuild from start.Most of the revenue went to A & due to the law & other terms laid down,B & C(now 1 state) had to share their power(electricity) with them at "Reasonable" rates.

B & C who are now 1 state have a strong leader with a good vision, but a bankrupt state+lack of promised help from the centre

Today while A does well & credit themselves,B & C still suffer. Many cases regarding sharing of financial assets,real estate & other such stuff are in the courts.

Both of them abused & attacked each other & they still do.

Thus to an extent,I can understand what you are going through. Trust me I swear I am not lying
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But the good news is this, Politicos & businessman from B & C invested heavily in A but forgot the vast & massive potential of their own region towards which they now look

If the vision of this state's new CM is followed & implemented with the Centre's vision for a new India, the state will be one of the top states in India in just 20 years & definitely better than A(now a state).

Same way, right now you are suffering a lot due to UK's decision.

Learn from the lessons & mistakes made & make the required changes to your Union to make sure the EU becomes a better,stronger & more amazing place on this planet

Remember what UK did to you & make sure u make them pay for it by making yourself better than them & outsmarting them.

That's what many in B-C now say about A
[P.S.:- India supported UK as part of the larger EU]

My best wishes to the EU & the UK & hope both can co-operate & get along well with each other

 

[mike2000 is back]

You have thrown a barely recovering European economy into chaos out of sheer stupidity.You deserve the worst and I hope you'll get it.The financial establishment in Frankfurt are overjoyed at taking the the money pie away from London.I hope Scotland and N Ireland brake free and never hear about the UK again

Lool LMAO..........give me a break, if Frankfurt was to be the world's leading financial centre it would have been one ages ago. Lol Our strengths,knowlwdge, skills, tech are not something you can buy or take away easilly. Its just the theory of comparative advantage mate. Its like saying if Germany was to quit the E.U then it wont be a leading engineering giant and she will lost all her skills and decline into oblivion. Lool Project fear yet again.

No single country in the world is doing us a favour(no country does towards another anyway) at the end of the day each country looks after their own interests first and foremost. So you trying to frame it as if the E.U did us some kind of favor is pure bullshit, do you also know our contribution towards the E.U? At the end of the day business is business and there are no favours. If not China will not be trading with much of its neighbours as they are all hostile to her, yet trade and investment continues and even flourishes.lol

Likewise, Our country is the world's 5th largest economy(and Europe's second largest after 80million strong Germany) with just over 60million people because of our own strengths and skills FIRST AND FOREMOST.Everything else is secondary. If it was because of the E.U then Greece, Bulgaria etc will also be one the wealthiest country in the world lol

As for wishing us the worse(many have in the past.lol) , well its nothing new to us, we have heard that so many times throughout this past century from our former colonies to middle eastern countries, etc yet here we are, with people all over the world still yearning to immigrate,live and study here for a better life as we have the world's most powerful passport.etc.

So you wishing us the worse means nothing and we couldn't care less to be honest,........hmmmmmm........thinking about it, I don't even know if I even need to WISH Romania the worse.

 

[anon45]

Hope UK doesn't regret this. short term will be painful, and there remains a possibility for a total UK breakup from what I'm hearing. Tentative feelers for a 'United Ireland', Scotland requesting another referendum, and from what I see everywhere in Scotland voted to remain in EU).

UK no longer 5th largest economy due to devaluation, overtaken by France. Probably temporary and overreaction. Blood in the financial streets.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/franc...th-largest-economy-as-pound-plummets-5964746/


Interesting times, no government except Russia wants this to happen (obviously not UK's current ruling coalition) AFAIK.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

you can openly say those who bring money stay.. and those who leech can leave.. we all know what germans think already its no secret.

Indeed it is more likely that richer states like Netherlands, Denmark or Sweden are go then others, but who know it really, we will see. The entire process was so fast, so huge...even Rome wasn`t build on a day, how could someone think to build such a construct like the EU in few decades.

 

[flamer84]

The EU has no choice but to negotiate a favorable treaty with the UK, to ensure that trade flows remain smooth.

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/

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$420bn of imports from Europe, with Germany alone accounting for $100bn. Everyone who thinks that the EU will engage in a spiteful act of "punishment" is engaged in self-delusion, because the EU would only destroy its own economy. After everyone has time to cool their heads, a calm and measured discussion will take place.

Trade agreement will be negociated but the UK would still pay financially to be part of the market,roughly what they pay now but without having a say in decision making.This has solved nothing for them and,more importantly,London's position as a financial hub is terminated.Frankfurt will take its place.There are millions of British expats in Europe so freedom of movement should also be negociated.

They had a campaign based on lies,misinformation and they immediately backtracked on their promises,see the NHS 350 million/week promises.

 

[mike2000 is back]

European Army?? WHo will they fight-- Russia?

& who thought of this idea?

You will be surprise about the answer:
GERMANY.
Even though they are one of the most reserved peaceful European country and they generally dont want to get involve in anything military(they even criticize us at times for our interventions abroad.lol ).
I wonder what their real intention is for proposing such a toothless united ARMY.

 

[flamer84]

Lool LMAO..........give me a break, if Frankfurt was to be the world's leading financial centre it would have been one ages ago. Lol Our strengths,knowlwdge, skills, tech are not something you can buy or take away easilly. Its just the theory of comparative advantage mate. Its like saying if Germany was to quit the E.U then it wont be a leading engineering giant and she will lost all her skills and decline into oblivion. Lool Project fear yet again.

No single country in the world is doing us a favour(no country does towards another anyway) at the end of the day each country looks after their own interests first and foremost. So you trying to frame it as if the E.U did us some kind of favor is pure bullshit, do you also know our contribution towards the E.U? At the end of the day business is business and there are no favours. If not China will not be trading with much of its neighbours as they are all hostile to her, yet trade and investment continues and even flourishes.lol

Likewise, Our country is the world's 5th largest economy(and Europe's second largest after 80million strong Germany) with just over 60million people because of our own strengths and skills FIRST AND FOREMOST.Everything else is secondary. If it was because of the E.U then Greece, Bulgaria etc will also be one the wealthiest country in the world lol

As for wishing us the worse(many have in the past.lol) , well its nothing new to us, we have heard that so many times throughout this past century from our former colonies to middle eastern countries, etc yet here we are, with people all over the world still yearning to immigrate,live and study here for a better life as we have the world's most powerful passport.etc.

So you wishing us the worse means nothing and we couldn't care less to be honest,........hmmmmmm........thinking about it, I don't even know if I even need to WISH Romania the worse.

Yes,you need to be reminded that stupidity has a price.Pulling this stunt after the 2008 economic fall out makes you,honestly,retarded.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

As for wishing us the worse(many have in the past.lol) , well its nothing new to us, we have heard that so many times throughout this past century from our former colonies to middle eastern countries, etc yet here we are, with people all over the world still yearning to immigrate,live and study here for a better life as we have the world's most powerful passport.etc.

Nope. Yes, I know...one point, but we want to be specific.

https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php

 

[mike2000 is back]

Hope UK doesn't regret this. short term will be painful, and there remains a possibility for a total UK breakup from what I'm hearing. Tentative feelers for a 'United Ireland', Scotland requesting another referendum, and from what I see everywhere in Scotland voted to remain in EU).

UK no longer 5th largest economy due to devaluation, overtaken by France. Probably temporary and overreaction. Blood in the financial streets.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/franc...th-largest-economy-as-pound-plummets-5964746/


Interesting times, no government except Russia wants this to happen (obviously not UK's current ruling coalition) AFAIK.

Obviously its natural, you expected markets to cheer?lol Markets dont like change, but after a short while they adapt and get used to the new normal, so this situation will last couple months at best and everything will stabilise once again as always and growth will resume...... normal cycle.
Nothing we didnt expect.

As for the rest its all juat talk, they will also get used to it once emotions calm down.

 

[SOHEIL]

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

You will be surprise about the answer:
GERMANY.

...Nee. ^^

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Trade agreement will be negociated but the UK would still pay financially to be part of the market,roughly what they pay now but without having a say in decision making.This has solved nothing for them and,more importantly,London's position as a financial hub is terminated.Frankfurt will take its place.There are millions of British expats in Europe so freedom of movement should also be negociated.

They had a campaign based on lies,misinformation and they immediately backtracked on their promises,see the NHS 350 million/week promises.

It's possible that the UK will choose a route similar to the Norwegians or Swiss, which gives them access but also forces them to pay a price. Or the UK can be a bit more clever and pursue other options, such as negotiating entry to NAFTA, a much larger market than the EU, and potentially benefiting from TTIP (if it passes). Such an arrangement would be optimal for the British, who have long wanted a trade agreement without other strings. NAFTA is such an agreement, as it does not restrict immigration controls, impose any kind of superstate, or demand grotesque financial contributions to maintain a slush-fund to be handed out to various other members.

Even if not NAFTA, the Commonwealth collection of states presents a much more enticing group of states with whom to trade, as their economies are more dynamic, growing more quickly, and are still experiencing the demographic dividend.

Finally, to close the circle, it's possible that the UK could significantly strengthen EFTA by joining. An EFTA with the UK's firepower may be powerful enough that EFTA would itself be able to negotiate better terms with the EU, simultaneously providing a better deal for access to the EU not only to the UK, but also Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein. As I stated above, the UK is critically important to the EU's economy--and the might of a combined UK-EFTA would be even more so.

Regarding the NHS, I must admit, as an American, I would like nothing better than to see that vestige of socialism destroyed as a warning to the fools who imposed Obamacare on us. I have never understood the British religion of NHS-worship, and I never will. So I see the collapse of NHS due to Brexit as a benefit, not a deterrent.

 

[flamer84]

It's possible that the UK will choose a route similar to the Norwegians or Swiss, which gives them access but also forces them to pay a price. Or the UK can be a bit more clever and pursue other options, such as negotiating entry to NAFTA, a much larger market than the EU, and potentially benefiting from TTIP (if it passes). Such an arrangement would be optimal for the British, who have long wanted a trade agreement without other strings. NAFTA is such an agreement, as it does not restrict immigration controls, impose any kind of superstate, or demand grotesque financial contributions to maintain a slush-fund to be handed out to various other members.

Even if not NAFTA, the Commonwealth collection of states presents a much more enticing group of states with whom to trade, as their economies are more dynamic, growing more quickly, and are still experiencing the demographic dividend.

Finally, to close the circle, it's possible that the UK could significantly strengthen EFTA by joining. An EFTA with the UK's firepower may be powerful enough that EFTA would itself be able to negotiate better terms with the EU, simultaneously providing a better deal for access to the EU not only to the UK, but also Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein. As I stated above, the UK is critically important to the EU's economy--and the might of a combined UK-EFTA would be even more so.

Regarding the NHS, I must admit, as an American, I would like nothing better than to see that vestige of socialism destroyed as a warning to the fools who imposed Obamacare on us. I have never understood the British religion of NHS-worship, and I never will. So I see the collapse of NHS due to Brexit as a benefit, not a deterrent.

You are talking about a decade ong time frame of negociatios.I wish them good luck with that.

The funny thing is that the younger genneration voted REMAIN only to be snubbed by people who are future corpses in the short term.I guess they thought to dragg the entire country with them.

 

[SOHEIL]