The U.S. Empire is 'Fraying' and 'Collapsing': Pentagon Study

[F-22Raptor]

With the railgun like this and a laser weapon can barely fry a mini drone, this cannot really impress China.

Look how China has accomplished the land test of the EMALS in just one year.

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China's AAG looks so much better than its American counterpart.

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We're not trying to "impress" anybody. The US military is in the business of developing highly effective weapon systems. Something that we've proven to be very good at.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We're not trying to "impress" anybody. The US military is in the business of developing highly effective weapon systems. Something that we've proven to be very good at.

Then what's the point to commission a carrier with non-combat ready capability in rush?

 

[F-22Raptor]

Then what's the point to commission a carrier with non-combat ready capability in rush?

All US ships, especially first of class, undergo extensive testing and training of crew after their commissioning's. It's why we've proven to be so potent in battle.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

All US ships, especially first of class, undergo extensive testing and training of crew after their commissioning's. It's why we've proven to be so potent in battle.

The USN got decades of experience with the catobar carriers, if the CVN-78 is working fine in all systems, then it should become combat ready in a very short time.

China needs several years because it was our first time to operate a carrier, while the CVN-78 in its way of operating is not a radical change from its predecessors.

 

[Gufi]

Funny you should say that, since there was a thread on PDF arguing that dollars would be suitable as toilet paper.

you are being overly harsh, if all the theories that sprout out of America came on this page, we would all be debating which reptilians are ruling earth at the moment, while the aliens are being liberal with humans they move to their ships and the FDA doesn't want cancer cured.

 

[wiseone2]

China's future navy doesn't need to show up with 12 aircraft carrier battlegroups, but China will re-invented a new naval warfare mode with the half-submerged battleship that equipped with direct energy weapons. A new powerful railgun with the range over 1000 km that is sufficient to decimate an entire AC battlegroup, and a real laser weapon that can incinerate a group of incoming ICBMs, not the fake one that can barely burn off a small drone.

China got the DC electrical system, it is the key that paves the path toward the futuristic energy weapons, while the AC electrical system is completely a failure and a nowayout dead end.

Imagine about weapons that do not exist. That sums your chances against US Navy.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Imagine about weapons that do not exist. That sums your chances against US Navy.

It does exist, and will be fully tangible in the near future just like our EMALS and AAG.

China doesn't need to show off its project on the PPT like India.

 

[wiseone2]

It does exist, and will be fully tangible in the near future just like our EMALS and AAG.

China doesn't need to show off its project on the PPT like India.

Translation: It does not exist

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Translation: It does not exist

It does not exist for India, but China, all aforementioned things do exist.

 

[gambit]

Then what's the point to commission a carrier with non-combat ready capability in rush?

As usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

To 'commission' a ship or an aircraft is to accept the vessel into service. It does not matter if the service is military or civilian. It does not matter if the vessel is even fully capable of performing its intended mission. The act of 'commission' is to say that the vessel as designed and built conforms to basic specifications. When a police officer candidate graduates, he is commissioned by the city. He is fully trained in all the basic procedures of what it takes the minimum to be a police officer. Now it is up to the veterans of the force to take his education and training further.

But yeah..You do it differently in China...Am sure...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

To 'commission' a ship or an aircraft is to accept the vessel into service. It does not matter if the service is military or civilian. It does not matter if the vessel is even fully capable of performing its intended mission. The act of 'commission' is to say that the vessel as designed and built conforms to basic specifications. When a police officer candidate graduates, he is commissioned by the city. He is fully trained in all the basic procedures of what it takes the minimum to be a police officer. Now it is up to the veterans of the force to take his education and training further.

But yeah..You do it differently in China...Am sure...

China plays the AC for the first time, being capable to build doesn't mean you got enough experience to play with it.

The US got decades of experience with the catobar carrier, and if the CVN-78 is fine in everything, then it should be combat-ready very soon, not in another 4-5 years.

 

[gambit]

China plays the AC for the first time, being capable to build doesn't mean you got enough experience to play with it.

The US got decades of experience with the catobar carrier, and if the CVN-78 is fine in everything, then it should be combat-ready very soon, not in another 4-5 years.

As usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

How many yrs does it take General Motors to commission a car as readied for production and market ?

Assuming normal issues from market survey to plant construction and retooling, etc...About 4-5 yrs.

- Six months. From initial draft to what is called a 'mule'. Basically, a test vehicle that came from an existing model that is modified to contain the planned changes.

- One yr. Refinement and compliance to government regulations.

- Two yrs. Prototypes are completed and disseminated to selected markets. As a side note, do you know why New Zealand is a popular experiment market ? Because of its geographical isolation.

- Three yrs. Factory tooling and retrofitting begins.

- Four yrs. Manufacturing begins.

This is assuming the best case scenario with no regulations changes and favorable market survey results.

This is also from a society that has extensive manufacturing experience and yet each iteration of the automobile requires roughly the same amount of time to go from initial paper design to dealerships.

And here we are talking about an exclusive item like an aircraft carrier...

This is why no American on this forum takes you seriously when it comes to military matters.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

How many yrs does it take General Motors to commission a car as readied for production and market ?

Assuming normal issues from market survey to plant construction and retooling, etc...About 4-5 yrs.

- Six months. From initial draft to what is called a 'mule'. Basically, a test vehicle that came from an existing model that is modified to contain the planned changes.

- One yr. Refinement and compliance to government regulations.

- Two yrs. Prototypes are completed and disseminated to selected markets. As a side note, do you know why New Zealand is a popular experiment market ? Because of its geographical isolation.

- Three yrs. Factory tooling and retrofitting begins.

- Four yrs. Manufacturing begins.

This is assuming the best case scenario with no regulations changes and favorable market survey results.

This is also from a society that has extensive manufacturing experience and yet each iteration of the automobile requires roughly the same amount of time to go from initial paper design to dealerships.

And here we are talking about an exclusive item like an aircraft carrier...

This is why no American on this forum takes you seriously when it comes to military matters.

He didn't say right now, but in the 2030s.

Right now, China is not starting from scratch, but with a lot of technological accumulation already.

 

[gambit]

He didn't say right now, but in the 2030s.

Right now, China is not starting from scratch, but with a lot of technological accumulation already.

Drop your silly criticism on why it would take the Ford a few more yrs of sea trials. You are out of your depth. Stay in the kiddy pool.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Drop your silly criticism on why it would take the Ford a few more yrs of sea trials. You are out of your depth. Stay in the kiddy pool.

The CVN-78 is just as troubled as the DDG-1000, the thing doesn't look very good right now.

The US EMALS/AAG and AC integrated electrical systems seem to have the innate flaws in its design.