The Triangular Poles: CHINA - RUSSIA - USA :: Syria As The Showcase

[Mrc]

 

[samsara]

The US still remains the only global super power.

Yeah right, as long as the printing press is still working and the Petrodollar-base system is still functioning to feed the insatiable war engine.

https://piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/unsustainable-trajectory-us-international-debt

 

[BHarwana]

We might see the in detail how a Carrier is destroyed.

U.S. Navy diverts strike group to Korean Peninsula
Apr 09,2017 A U.S. Navy strike group led by the nuclear-powered Carl Vinson carrier is being deployed to waters close to the Korean Peninsula to rein in increasing nuclear threats by North Korea, news reports said Sunday.

"The U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific," the France-based AFP reported, quoting U.S. Pacific Command spokesman Dave Benham. "The No. 1 threat in the region continues to the North Korea, due to its reckless, irresponsible and destabilizing program of missile tests and pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability."

The strike group, composed of the aircraft supercarrier USS Carl Vinson, a carrier air wing, two cruisers and destroyers, was previously based close to Singapore. With the latest order, the strike group will relocate to the Western Pacific Ocean near the peninsula.

The nuclear-powered supercarrier had been deployed to South Korea last month for a massive joint naval exercise in the South Korean seas, designed to cope with North Korean maritime provocations.

The latest move marks decisive U.S. action in response to North Korea's escalation of nuclear and missile provocations. North Korea has carried out a series of high-profile ballistic missile tests this year, including the latest one just four days ago.

In a statement issued over the United States’ missile attacks on Syria, North Korea reaffirmed its nuclear ambition.

"The United States’ invasion and intrusion schemes have reached a level of extreme arrogance,” the North Korean statement said a day earlier. “The reality shows that force should be dealt with force only, and our choice to escalate our nuclear force has been proven totally right.”

Yonhap


http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=3031982

 

[Stuttgart001]

Time for launch (or lunch?)

The USA should just pray that all of North Korea's nukes decide to misfire on the same day.

I don't doubt the world would be a better place without the Fat Kim in it. But when Fat Kim dies, he is going to want to take out the US West coast before he goes. He won't go down like Gadaffi and Saddam, since neither of them had nukes.

Given the inferior missile technology of DPRK, It is China instead of US should really care about fattie kim's nuclear toy which could only be thrown to the area around. We must keep a close eye on one or two nuclear bombs and make 100% sure that these weapon are safe. And the other nuclear material also should be kept unharmful to the environment under any circumstances.

 

[BHarwana]

Unconfirmed reports of a Submarine in the vicinity of the USA strike group. USA Navy fighter jet and helicopters on patrol around the carrier.

 

[Mrc]

trump is on prawl

 

[ahojunk]

Yeah right, as long as the printing press is still working and the Petrodollar-base system is still functioning to feed the insatiable war engine.

https://piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/unsustainable-trajectory-us-international-debt

Yes, yes, yes.

At the end of the day, no money no talk.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Yeah right, as long as the printing press is still working and the Petrodollar-base system is still functioning to feed the insatiable war engine.
https://piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/unsustainable-trajectory-us-international-debt

Yes, yes, yes.
At the end of the day, no money no talk.

Yes, though having only small industrial capacity, have to import hi-tech components, advanced materials and CNC machine tools for local assembly, even many hi-tech industries are foreign owned, but with so much tax money spent to such a colossal extent of debt mountain, it would be surprised not to be a "global superpower".
https://bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/intinvnewsrelease.htm

only 23 out of 59 Tomahawk missiles reaching their target. The locations of the remaining 36 missiles’ impact is now unknown

36 out of 59 missing, that's hilarious. By the way have they officially declared war on the State of Syria, or it's like a Pearl-Harbor-type sneak attack on Syria? Now 36 missing, wonder what will that be if the Russian/Syrians are not caught off-guard.

 

[jhungary]

US Military usually ripple launch their missile, using 59 missile struck 23 targets does not translate to 36 misses literally, you don't launch just one missile on one single target, either make surplus or make sure the target destroy..

This is a Strike Package, I would have imagine they use a method called "Saturation" on their intended target. in my day, I used to call 3 missiles on a single target. 1 is the main strike, one is for backup incase the first one failed or missed, and 1 make sure the target is killed.

 

[jkroo]

Yes, though having only small industrial capacity, even have to import hi-tech components, materials and CNC machine tools for local assembly, but with so much tax money spent and a colossal debt mountain, it would be surprised not to be a "global superpower".
https://bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/intinvnewsrelease.htm

36 out of 59 missing, that's hilarious. By the way have they officially declared war on the State of Syria, or it's like a Pearl-Harbor-type sneak attack on Syria? Now 36 missing, wonder what will that be if the Russian/Syrians are not caught off-guard.

No, US did not officially declare war on state of Syria before the attack.

In fact Trump is now explaining why he decided to attack Syria to the congress, only the congress can declare war on Syria. Next time Trump will be listed as the top 1 powerful man on the earth by TIME magazine, and maybe he will be rewarded Nobel peace prize.

On Pearl Harbor, reminds me of this: "Yesterday, December 7, 1941 — a date which will live in infamy — the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan." Franklin Roosevelt to US Congress. Infamous fascists do attack others sneakily without declaration, true before, true nowadays.

 

[yantong1980]

Recently he was 'rockstar' in White House, no one really care anymore about what he did without congress approval. I bet now US warmonger elites plus media will be hungry about his next action. Maybe Hollywood should making movie dedicating to him.

 

[F-22Raptor]

U.S. military strikes against Syria over its alleged use of chemical weapons are a warning to other nations, including North Korea, that "a response is likely" if they pose a danger, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Sunday.

As a U.S. Navy strike group headed toward the Korean Peninsula, Tillerson said China agrees that action is necessary to address North Korea's nuclear arsenal, following last week's meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Asked if Friday's strikes against Syria were a message to North Korea, Tillerson told ABC's This Week: "The message that any nation can take is, 'If you violate international norms, if you violate international agreements, if you fail to live up to commitments, if you become a threat to others, at some point a response is likely to be undertaken.'"

"In terms of North Korea," he added, "we've been very clear that our objective is a denuclearized Korea peninsula."

In a separate interview, Tillerson told CBS' Face the Nation: "President Xi clearly understands, and I think agrees, that the situation has intensified and has reached a certain level of threat that action has to be taken."

Trump will soon review options for removing the "threat" posed by North Korean missiles, White House national security adviser H.R. McMaster said on Sunday.

North Korean officials, including leader Kim Jong Un, have repeatedly indicated an intercontinental ballistic missile test or something similar could be coming, possibly as soon as April 15, the 105th birthday of North Korea's founding president and celebrated annually as "the Day of the Sun."

Reuters was first to report on Saturday that the Navy strike group Carl Vinson, whose flagship is a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier of that name, will make its way toward the Korean peninsula from Singapore as a show of force after Pyongyang tested a liquid-fueled Scud missile this month.

"It's prudent to do it, isn't it?" McMaster said of the deployment on Fox News Sunday.

"This is a rogue regime that is now a nuclear-capable regime, and President Xi and President Trump agreed that that is unacceptable, that what must happen is the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula," he said.

A U.S. national security review of options on North Korea include economic and military measures. But they lean more toward sanctions and increased pressure on Beijing to rein in its neighbor.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-idUSKBN17B0TC

 

[randomradio]

US Military usually ripple launch their missile, using 59 missile struck 23 targets does not translate to 36 misses literally, you don't launch just one missile on one single target, either make surplus or make sure the target destroy..

This is a Strike Package, I would have imagine they use a method called "Saturation" on their intended target. in my day, I used to call 3 missiles on a single target. 1 is the main strike, one is for backup incase the first one failed or missed, and 1 make sure the target is killed.

You really believe that ? You really believe that -- assume there were that many misses -- the Russians and Syrians would not be able to locate those 'misses' ?

How would YOU classify the above, see questions below...

1- Are the hardened aircraft shelters (HAS) considered one unit or two units ?

2- Does each considered as one hit or two hits ?

3- Which would YOU consider more important, the HAS or the aircraft(s) within ?

4- Regarding Q3, the reason we put an aircraft inside a shelter, even a partially enclosed one as above illustrated, is not because we want to protect them from the elements, although the weather is a factor, but because we want to protect them from aerial assaults. Now that your HAS is proven to be only partially effective at protecting your combat aircrafts, are the fighters that were not destroyed any less vulnerable just because they were essentially lucky ?

5- Regarding Q4, even though some fighters in their HAS may have escaped destruction, what does this really say about the cruise missiles' precision and accuracy ?

So if there were really that many misses, where are the evidences of those misses ? Where are the 'collateral damages' such as civilian structures destroyed and civilian dead ? There could be cruise missile 'duds', so where are they ?





In your day ? How dare you bring your military experience into this discussion ?!?!


When I saw how the US aircraft carrier was destroyed in the Transformer movie, I was very impressed by the details.

What I got from the news report is, out of the 59 fired, 23 missiles hit 9 targets. The remaining 36 missiles are 'missing'. The 9 targets are 6 aircraft, a training center, a canteen and a radar station.

This is more important.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/the-...-ahead-of-syria-missile-strikes-official.html
Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said in an official statement: "Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line. U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield."

That explains why the damage was so low. The Syrians were probably already in the air or in safe locations.

Personally, I think the entire strike was orchestrated by all three sides. Limited damage to the Syrians to show that they were 'punished'. No damage to the Russians. And the US comes out looking like a hero for Western public consumption.

No point analyzing politics in Syria.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Tillerson told ABC's This Week: "The message that any nation can take is, 'If you violate international norms, if you violate international agreements, if you fail to live up to commitments, if you become a threat to others, at some point a response is likely to be undertaken.'"

What Americans claimed can be one day be served against them...LMAO

 

[gambit]

What I got from the news report is, out of the 59 fired, 23 missiles hit 9 targets. The remaining 36 missiles are 'missing'. The 9 targets are 6 aircraft, a training center, a canteen and a radar station.

Count'em yerself...

This is more important.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/the-...-ahead-of-syria-missile-strikes-official.html
Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said in an official statement: "Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line. U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield."

That explains why the damage was so low. The Syrians were probably already in the air or in safe locations.

Here is what you do not understand...

There are two main reasons for any military attack: coercion or destruction.

To coerce, an attack must be measured and focused. An analogy is the difference between a slap and a punch. With a slap, you do try to convince the person to take a different path, not necessarily the path you want, but at least to deviate from the current path.

But with a punch, you mean to inflict serious pain and/or even harm. A punch -- the military version -- is for debilitation and escalation to destruction. You are NOT trying to convince the person of anything. You want him out of action. Desert Storm was an all-out battle for the destruction of the Iraqi military.

This cruise missile strike is coercion. The damage is low only from certain perspective. Overall, it is low. But for the Syrian airbase, it is not low.