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The RPG Miracle Shot In Afghanistan

July 28, 2011: In a rare incident, an American Ch-47 helicopter was hit by an RPG rocket and forced to crash land near a U.S. base in eastern Afghanistan. Two of the twenty people on board were slightly wounded (by RPG fragments). The RPG is a rocket launcher, and the rockets are unguided. Hitting anything as large as a helicopter, at more than a hundred meters, is mainly a matter of luck.
This is the 17th helicopter to be brought down by hostile fire in the last ten years in Afghanistan. Another 84 have crashed for non-combat reasons. In Iraq, 46 helicopters were brought down by enemy fire (in addition to 76 that crashed for non-combat reasons) during seven years of much heavier combat. Because of its higher altitudes, Afghanistan is a much rougher environment for helicopters.

In most cases, helicopters are brought down machine-guns, especially heavy (12.7mm or larger) ones. The enemy has also been using portable surface-to-air missiles since 2003, including more modern models, like the SA-16 (which is similar to the American Stinger.) American helicopters are equipped with missile detection and defense (flare dispensers) equipment. Thus the most dangerous anti-aircraft weapon remains the machine-gun. However, aircraft losses to ground fire have been declining every year, mainly because of improved defensive tactics.

Helicopters are fired on about six times more frequently than they are hit, and most of those hit are only slightly damaged (and land normally). Today's helicopters are much more rugged and reliable than those in Vietnam (1966-71, the first major combat use of helicopters). There, 2,076 helicopters were lost to enemy fire (and 2,566 to non-combat losses). In Vietnam, helicopters flew 36 million sorties (over 20 million flight hours). Helicopters were used much less in Iraq, where no more than half a million hours a year were flown (to support a third as many troops as there were in Vietnam during the peak year). In Vietnam, helicopters were about twice as likely to get brought down by enemy fire. As in Iraq and Afghanistan, the main weapons doing this were machine-guns. Today's helicopters are more sturdy, partly because of Vietnam experience, and are more likely to stay in the air when hit, and land, rather than crash.
 
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this article shows how innovative tactics beats technology up to certain extent.
 
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These guys are pros at using the RPG to their advantage. So far Pakistan has lost an Mi-17(Confirmed) and a Cobra(unconfirmed) to RPGs. The Cobra is speculated to have been brought down by a stinger or an equivalent because theoretically it is impossible to hit such a small moving target with an RPG.
 
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These guys are pros at using the RPG to their advantage. So far Pakistan has lost an Mi-17(Confirmed) and a Cobra(unconfirmed) to RPGs. The Cobra is speculated to have been brought down by a stinger or an equivalent because theoretically it is impossible to hit such a small moving target with an RPG.

If you are talking about the Cobra which was lost in Khyber Agency and the subsequent rescue mission developing into a disaster with the Brigadier and other men being killed when they went for rescue, well that Cobra was lost to 14.5mm fire. The Cobra came in for a gun-run in a valley, and came low, it was hit from the side from a mountain close by which had the 14.5mm emplacement. The canopy was hit and one of the pilot or WSO was killed instantly, while the other one may have died in the crash or was killed after a failed rescue attempt by the militants when he could not be taken out from the crashed helicopter.
 
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If you are talking about the Cobra which was lost in Khyber Agency and the subsequent rescue mission developing into a disaster with the Brigadier and other men being killed when they went for rescue, well that Cobra was lost to 14.5mm fire. The Cobra came in for a gun-run in a valley, and came low, it was hit from the side from a mountain close by which had the 14.5mm emplacement. The canopy was hit and one of the pilot or WSO was killed instantly, while the other one may have died in the crash or was killed after a failed rescue attempt by the militants when he could not be taken out from the crashed helicopter.

Exactly that, I am surprised that it was taken by a 14.5mm. When I was in Peshawar we were told it was most likely a MANPAD or such. It was a terribly sad incident, the crash and the ensuing rescue mission. I saw the Cobra fly over us as I drove to FC Compound Hayatabad, when I got there and switched on the TV, I found that it had crashed.
 
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Exactly that, I am surprised that it was taken by a 14.5mm. When I was in Peshawar we were told it was most likely a MANPAD or such. It was a terribly sad incident, the crash and the ensuing rescue mission. I saw the Cobra fly over us as I drove to FC Compound Hayatabad, when I got there and switched on the TV, I found that it had crashed.

You shouldn't be surprised at all. Helos are still delicate machines. They are not bullet proof and are built to be bullet resistance to a point.
 
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If you are talking about the Cobra which was lost in Khyber Agency and the subsequent rescue mission developing into a disaster with the Brigadier and other men being killed when they went for rescue, well that Cobra was lost to 14.5mm fire. The Cobra came in for a gun-run in a valley, and came low, it was hit from the side from a mountain close by which had the 14.5mm emplacement. The canopy was hit and one of the pilot or WSO was killed instantly, while the other one may have died in the crash or was killed after a failed rescue attempt by the militants when he could not be taken out from the crashed helicopter.

are you referring to the cobra accident after which it was airlifted by an Mi-17 ?
 
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Exactly that, I am surprised that it was taken by a 14.5mm. When I was in Peshawar we were told it was most likely a MANPAD or such. It was a terribly sad incident, the crash and the ensuing rescue mission. I saw the Cobra fly over us as I drove to FC Compound Hayatabad, when I got there and switched on the TV, I found that it had crashed.

Yeah, there were initially some reports of that nature, but later it came out to be the 14.5mm which took it down.

A complete disaster it turned out to be with terrible losses. We lost the helicopter with both pilots & then the Brigadier with other men. We hope to have learned from this and next time be better prepared for such kind of rescue missions with proper aerial support.
 
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