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The Real Reasons For The Iran Agreement

You are missing the point. Let me try to see if I can clarify.

Pak has never had the power to do anything you accuse US of and get away with it. If it uses nukes, it'd be obliterated, if it invaded some poor defenseless country - others would respond and so on.

Take '71 (not for any Indo-Pak point scoring) for example - India was able to invade and liberate a part of your country. Whatever the reason - we did it and essentially got away with it as the net geo-political scenario allowed us to do so. Perhaps, if we had tried for more, we might have received push back and even USSR might not have backed us.

So your arguments are based on condemning someone who has power for using it, while implicitly excusing others who do not have that power for not using it. This is why we need hypothetical.

History is also relevant since all the evidence we have - does not make US an exception in your 'misuse' of power, merely the destructive power has increased due to technological advancements.

You don't want to talk of historic examples, you don't want hypothetical backed entirely by your country's official policy - as I said, you set the parameters based on your prejudice.

Let me try a different route - religion. People are committing atrocities on a massive scale currently in the name of what they call Islam. If you ignore history when others have done similar or not talk about hypothetical that would mean others in similar position might do the same - does that mean you uniquely single out Islam?

Note - I am not making any judgment on religion, merely giving an analogy.

To condemn someone, we need a frame of reference - you take both possible ones out. That's not proper - maybe you don't realize it since I am sure you are sincere, but you are making a fundamental mistake.

Anyway, nice chatting. Appreciate your responses and since I brought in new aspects lets take it up later if you wish to.
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Your post well received and i Hope to see more of your informative analysis in future too.

Ok, So let me give you an example now, If a bank is being looted by robbers and their are bystanders standing, who would you charge? Looters who looted the bank or the by stander because they didn't have power to loot it ?

With great power comes great responsibility, and its the very responsibility that US has burdened itself with policing the world selectively of course, according to their own needs.

I remember when i was young kid, being the eldest i was always blamed for not looking out well for my younger siblings, even though at times it was their fault. Why because I was eldest I had the power over them so naturally the balmes rested on me, I was always told that just because young one does it wrong you cannot justify it by saying it 'Oh he did to so i shall do it too''

I do partially agree with you on what you said, But My response want to the poster who said whatever is necessary in pursuit of national interest . My argument was no Sir, hence i brought forth the arguments. Because according to him every single is wrong with Pakistan and i do agree to some extent, But why is biasedly reserved only for a third world country that just been around for 67 years or so, But when it comes to US and its policies all of it is justified because that's what preceding power did or anyone who doesn't have the power to do it, will do it had they been given power.

You cannot charge them with anything unless they do it, that's how justice works, though sometimes based on your past records you might be rounded up in detention based on suspicion , but then you will be released without any harm to your dignity.

So saying if this is how system works or thats the tradition, that does not make it right, does it ? I mean like around 2 mn dead and after effects of it will be felt for over a period of century. Entire nation, its society destroyed, because that how its done? Two wrongs never make a right. what is wrong will remain wrong.

Illegal invasion done on the name of protecting humanity was the worse that ever happened to that region. US has enough firepower in its Navy to destroy a fully functional society by still getting close to shores. Instead of that, or perhaos since it was done, the best they could have done was to rebuild the society, build up schools, medical facilities. I mean reconstruct the whole country in a better society than it was before. Then trust me it would have made a big difference not only in the opinion but in the lives of entire future generations to come.

But obviously no how matter how hard it is justified the torn up society will onnly get worse and come to haunt them who did this to them.

YOu see that's why PAK military keeps on insisting that Civil administration should do its job, if the operation is mean to get success and its desired objectives, destroying something that is built upon years of hard work, only takes few seconds, but it takes ages to rebuild it. Hence, where civil administration has failed, you can see pak military opening of the schools and training centers even rehabilitation centers. All to properly justify and make up to the people who had nothing to do with operations.

Why do you think Japan or Eu has good opinion of US ?

Is because after Ww2 and its destruction they quickly came with Marshall plan to quickly rebuild Europe before communism could take it over, In case of Japan's reconstruction Occupation and Reconstruction of Japan, 1945–52 - 1945–1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian So even after atrocities that was dropped on Nagasaki, people still keep good and polite view of US.

You can never justify this to those who have lost literally everything from society to their livelihood, Now all you see is large influx of refugees and deep resentment for US and its hastily adopted policies. Which has given birth to new monster known as ISIS, that has far more destructive capability than AL QAEDA or Afghan Taliban ever did, in fact they can only imagine and envi.
 
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This cartoon seemed quite on topic:

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This cartoon seemed quite on topic:

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This is very hilarious coming from a pakistani . i suppose you guys hate US more than us don't you ?

well of course you're an apologist here , but the overwhelming majority of your people hate them yanks .

either way , no one has tuned down their resent of US govt. here in Iran . feels good to be the only muslim country who stands for their rights .
 
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I think that ultimately its to get a stable country in the ME, imagine Iran returning to how it was pre islamic revolution, they could attract lots of tourists, more investment etc etc
 
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