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The Muslim world should embrace homosexual and female imams
In the wake of the Orlando shooting, it is important that gay rights be accepted and gays seen as individuals with rights
June 14, 2016, 3:07 pm
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BBC News Service in its February 2016 article documented the tradition.

As to how the tradition of women's mosques started, we have to go back to the founding of the Ming Dynasty in the late 1300s, when the Muslim community - previously favoured guests - suddenly became an anxious and oppressed minority. Responding to the shock of the alien Mongol occupation, the early Ming rulers waged a chauvinistic war against non-Han peoples. Minorities now aroused hostility and suspicion and were subject to a brutal policy of assimilation - the Muslims were told they must marry Han people and not among themselves.

So the 15th Century was almost catastrophic for Chinese Islam. But in the late 16th Century things improved and among the Muslims a new cultural movement began, a revival of Islamic culture and education. A century later Chinese Muslim philosophers were able to write erudite books showing how you could be a loyal Muslim and also loyal to the Chinese state. And at this point, at the grassroots, men realised how important women could be in preserving and transmitting the faith. So women's mosques grew out of a double movement in the Chinese Muslim world – the need to preserve the community and the desire for women's education.

Guo Jingfang and her friends in Kaifeng think that the schools came first, and then became full mosques in the 18th Century. Education still has a big role today, from basic teaching to copying texts.

‘When our mothers were girls it was the only place where poor Muslim women could receive an education: the women did it together, women supporting women, said one of the women chatting in the mosque's courtyard. "In some places in the Muslim world it is not allowed, but here we think it a good thing. Women have had a better status here since 1949 and this is part of it.’

One of the women mentioned the progressive ideas of the Islamic Association of Kaifeng, which gets men and women to work together on new education projects. "China is changing and these are good things for the future," she said. Later, in the main women's mosque, everyone joined in the prayers, and the men in our crew were invited too, visitors from afar.

So coming back to the acceptance of homosexual and female imams. In the wake of the Orlando shooting, it is important that gay rights be accepted and gays seen as individuals with rights. Like Faisal Saed Al Mutar, activist and founder of Global Secular Humanist Movement says, "If religions don't modernize to accept LGBT & women's rights, then religions need to die, not people.

It is time for religion to modernize. As Irshad Manji, author, speaker, founder of Moral Courage TV on YouTube and practitioner of ijtihad, in her 2011 book Allah, Liberty and Love: The Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom, says: “Some things are more important than fear!”
http://nation.com.pk/blogs/14-Jun-2016/the-muslim-world-should-embrace-homosexual-and-female-imams
 
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The Muslim world should embrace homosexual and female imams
In the wake of the Orlando shooting, it is important that gay rights be accepted and gays seen as individuals with rights
June 14, 2016, 3:07 pm
SHARE :
the-muslim-world-should-embrace-homosexual-and-female-imams-1465897810-6061.jpg

Arshia Malik
BBC News Service in its February 2016 article documented the tradition.

As to how the tradition of women's mosques started, we have to go back to the founding of the Ming Dynasty in the late 1300s, when the Muslim community - previously favoured guests - suddenly became an anxious and oppressed minority. Responding to the shock of the alien Mongol occupation, the early Ming rulers waged a chauvinistic war against non-Han peoples. Minorities now aroused hostility and suspicion and were subject to a brutal policy of assimilation - the Muslims were told they must marry Han people and not among themselves.

So the 15th Century was almost catastrophic for Chinese Islam. But in the late 16th Century things improved and among the Muslims a new cultural movement began, a revival of Islamic culture and education. A century later Chinese Muslim philosophers were able to write erudite books showing how you could be a loyal Muslim and also loyal to the Chinese state. And at this point, at the grassroots, men realised how important women could be in preserving and transmitting the faith. So women's mosques grew out of a double movement in the Chinese Muslim world – the need to preserve the community and the desire for women's education.

Guo Jingfang and her friends in Kaifeng think that the schools came first, and then became full mosques in the 18th Century. Education still has a big role today, from basic teaching to copying texts.

‘When our mothers were girls it was the only place where poor Muslim women could receive an education: the women did it together, women supporting women, said one of the women chatting in the mosque's courtyard. "In some places in the Muslim world it is not allowed, but here we think it a good thing. Women have had a better status here since 1949 and this is part of it.’

One of the women mentioned the progressive ideas of the Islamic Association of Kaifeng, which gets men and women to work together on new education projects. "China is changing and these are good things for the future," she said. Later, in the main women's mosque, everyone joined in the prayers, and the men in our crew were invited too, visitors from afar.

So coming back to the acceptance of homosexual and female imams. In the wake of the Orlando shooting, it is important that gay rights be accepted and gays seen as individuals with rights. Like Faisal Saed Al Mutar, activist and founder of Global Secular Humanist Movement says, "If religions don't modernize to accept LGBT & women's rights, then religions need to die, not people.

It is time for religion to modernize. As Irshad Manji, author, speaker, founder of Moral Courage TV on YouTube and practitioner of ijtihad, in her 2011 book Allah, Liberty and Love: The Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom, says: “Some things are more important than fear!”
http://nation.com.pk/blogs/14-Jun-2016/the-muslim-world-should-embrace-homosexual-and-female-imams
Leave Islam a side.
Lets set an example for the whole world by selecting a gay as american president this time.
 
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I don't know how to respond to this
:rofl: :hitwall: :rofl: :hitwall:

The response is simple. Let someone make a mosque and appoint a LGBTQ imam and see how large a congregation it attracts. That is the open and fair litmus test.
 
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The response is simple. Let someone make a mosque and appoint a LGBTQ imam and see how large a congregation it attracts. That is the open and fair litmus test.

If the imam has a nice *** it could attract a big LGBT congregation to be fair
 
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The response is simple. Let someone make a mosque and appoint a LGBTQ imam and see how large a congregation it attracts. That is the open and fair litmus test.
Well i am not a preacher myself so i wont preach the gays to change themselves but anyone with little knowledge of Islam can tell that this practice is NOT allowed in Islam. So attaching it with the religion cannot be allowed. Yes, it is they choice they made, they may be Muslims as well and this practice is just a sin (as it is in the eyes of religion) just like so many sins we other Muslims do and still go to a mosque to pray. However saying that it will be allowed and as per the religion is not correct. Off course this is a choice the west may make to allow this, they most probably would as it will agonize Muslims but that still wont relate this to the religion.
 
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So attaching it with the religion cannot be allowed.

It is up to each society to determine that, as it should be. Everyone has the same freedom of religion and how they choose to practice it, in civilized societies. All religions, including Islam, are only what its followers actually do, not what they claim.
 
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The Muslim world should embrace homosexual and female imams
In the wake of the Orlando shooting, it is important that gay rights be accepted and gays seen as individuals with rights
June 14, 2016, 3:07 pm
SHARE :
the-muslim-world-should-embrace-homosexual-and-female-imams-1465897810-6061.jpg

Arshia Malik
BBC News Service in its February 2016 article documented the tradition.

As to how the tradition of women's mosques started, we have to go back to the founding of the Ming Dynasty in the late 1300s, when the Muslim community - previously favoured guests - suddenly became an anxious and oppressed minority. Responding to the shock of the alien Mongol occupation, the early Ming rulers waged a chauvinistic war against non-Han peoples. Minorities now aroused hostility and suspicion and were subject to a brutal policy of assimilation - the Muslims were told they must marry Han people and not among themselves.

So the 15th Century was almost catastrophic for Chinese Islam. But in the late 16th Century things improved and among the Muslims a new cultural movement began, a revival of Islamic culture and education. A century later Chinese Muslim philosophers were able to write erudite books showing how you could be a loyal Muslim and also loyal to the Chinese state. And at this point, at the grassroots, men realised how important women could be in preserving and transmitting the faith. So women's mosques grew out of a double movement in the Chinese Muslim world – the need to preserve the community and the desire for women's education.

Guo Jingfang and her friends in Kaifeng think that the schools came first, and then became full mosques in the 18th Century. Education still has a big role today, from basic teaching to copying texts.

‘When our mothers were girls it was the only place where poor Muslim women could receive an education: the women did it together, women supporting women, said one of the women chatting in the mosque's courtyard. "In some places in the Muslim world it is not allowed, but here we think it a good thing. Women have had a better status here since 1949 and this is part of it.’

One of the women mentioned the progressive ideas of the Islamic Association of Kaifeng, which gets men and women to work together on new education projects. "China is changing and these are good things for the future," she said. Later, in the main women's mosque, everyone joined in the prayers, and the men in our crew were invited too, visitors from afar.

So coming back to the acceptance of homosexual and female imams. In the wake of the Orlando shooting, it is important that gay rights be accepted and gays seen as individuals with rights. Like Faisal Saed Al Mutar, activist and founder of Global Secular Humanist Movement says, "If religions don't modernize to accept LGBT & women's rights, then religions need to die, not people.

It is time for religion to modernize. As Irshad Manji, author, speaker, founder of Moral Courage TV on YouTube and practitioner of ijtihad, in her 2011 book Allah, Liberty and Love: The Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom, says: “Some things are more important than fear!”
http://nation.com.pk/blogs/14-Jun-2016/the-muslim-world-should-embrace-homosexual-and-female-imams
Basic rules in islam are made by Allah. Even Rasool Allah SAW did not have the right to change that which Allah had decreed. Living as a minority population in the EU/USA we are taught by our religion to have respect for the rule of law and therefore this stupid act needs to be condemned for what it is. A CRIME. Gun crime in USA is common unfortunately. However Islam does not allow homosexuality and considers it a sin just like Judaisism and Christianity. No one has the right to change laws which Aĺlah made and anyone who does so is a transgressor.
Freedom of speech gives people the right to have an opinion and to speak it. How come no one wants to give us the right to defend our religion.
The case of women imam leading a mixed congregation in prayers is similar and not allowed in islam. Women even in the time immediately after the Prophet SAW were teachers and have taught people but no one has led the prayer in congregation
All changes made in islam as brought down by Quran and taught to us by Prophet Mohammed SAW are considered as innovations and not allowed in islam.
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It is up to each society to determine that, as it should be. Everyone has the same freedom of religion and how they choose to practice it, in civilized societies. All religions, including Islam, are only what its followers actually do, not what they claim.
This is your opinion and does not conform to islamic teachings. Just because the muslims today have gone away from their deen is no reflection on the deen itself just like the change made in christianity or judaism are no reflection on those lovely religions in their pure forms. Civilized society is another notion and whereas the act committed inOrlando needs to be condemned it has nothing to do with islam. Dont look at islam from the distorted glasses of the deviants. We are taught to return to Allah and his messenger in case of an argument in matters of deen. Read the Quran and follow it in the light of what your Prophet SAW has taught you. But I thought you knew that!!!
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It is up to each society to determine that, as it should be. Everyone has the same freedom of religion and how they choose to practice it, in civilized societies. All religions, including Islam, are only what its followers actually do, not what they claim.
Who they chose to practice it wont change what that religion actually is about and what that religion actually guides one about! That is true for all religions as well. Societies cannot make religions sir, they just chose to practice or ignore them, what they chose wont "modify" the religion.
 
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