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The Mosul operation

The sectarian Mullah-backed Iraqi Army arrested a kid in the countryside of Mosul and beaten him after they accused him of being member of Daesh.


Is there a difference between these Mullah terrorists and Daesh terrorists?

Yes, there's a difference between slapping someone and sawing someones head off or burning someone alive. Actually, that wasn't a hard hit, I get hit harder on my face during boxing, he should stop complaining

You took me serious when I said go watch Wesal TV..
 
day of mourning among those who funded and supported ISIS.
Who are those?

they are trying to give this fight a sectarian angle which shows their desperation
Nobody gives such angle. Unlike Mullah's, it isn't in favor of Turkish interests and that's why Turkey has a military presence in Iraq, to prevent such scenario. Mullah's, Toolah's mourn or not, like it or not, it will stay and act when needed.
I hope and pray that Iraqi forces and their allies show honour and treat the prisoners justly and also take care of the civilians
Hopefully, it goes as you wish but i highly doubt it.
 
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Yes, there's a difference between slapping someone and sawing someones head off or burning someone alive. Actually, that wasn't a hard hit, I get hit harder on my face during boxing, he should stop complaining

You took me serious when I said go watch Wesal TV..

Here's another Video posted by an Iraqi woman on Twitter today,


Jahsh Militia with Iraq army soldiers tortured and beaten a Sunni guy near Mosul with a Hammer till he died.
If we didn't stop these Mullah terrorists, then a lot of civilians would face the same fate.
 
Here's another Video posted by an Iraqi woman on Twitter today,


Jahsh Militia with Iraq army soldiers tortured and beaten a Sunni guy near Mosul with a Hammer till he died.
If we didn't stop these Mullah terrorists, then a lot of civilians would face the same fate.

That woman is another IS apologist, I know the accounts. Probably a man imposing as a woman to start with.

The thing is whenever the ISF captures an IS terrorist he becomes a poor innocent Sunni civillian. The worst thing they'd do to him (on a regular basis) is slap him, the Muslims like to bank on this and convince the west that the ISF equals IS, millions of dollars have been poured into such campaigns of lobbying in the US especially, they all failed however.


In fact, if you want to see similar abuses on a much larger scale you have to look at Bahrain..
 
Didn't those shiites kill many American back then in American invasion with al-qaeda? Now same Terrorists fighting against another Terrosist organization,
confidence? I think no
LOL
 
You should have hoped it earlier because even before the creation of ISIS Shia militia was killing Sunnis labeling them Baathist supporters. Now when ISIS is created they are killing Sunnis by calling them Daesh and their supporters. Just because you are a good Shia Muslim doesnt mean every Shia in this world is a momin. Atleast condemn what these sectarian elements in ur sect are doing to Sunnis in Iraq and Syria. you call yourself counter terrorism expert yet you are so biased. These irani rats are the reason for this bloodshed in Middle east. They are a part of the problem not solution.


it has been 1400 years since Islam was introduced in Middle east but the racism has not been washed off . your post is a proof of that. hence this is the mess in Iraq and Syria.

they tried this model in Pakistan and hurt us badly but didnt fully succeed. so they have reduced themselves to killing women now while their leaders try to flee in women clothing

dont worry we will defeat them in Pakistan too


why are you so ignorant about my sect? its of no consequence to you or this discussion but its not Khomani sect if thats what you are suggesting. pull your thumb from behind and have courage to criticise your own kind and dont label others as traitors or unbelievers just in case they show you your dirty laundry.
 
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Didn't those shiites kill many American back then in American invasion with al-qaeda? Now same Terrorists fighting against another Terrosist organization,
confidence? I think no
LOL

You must have a bad memory. When I was deployed the sunni/zarkawi terrorized Iraqis and killed 100's of Shia a day. Maybe you forgot it because Shia may be not human to you but while we were stationed there 100's of thousands of Iraqis were blown off by Sunnis. I don't recall many Sunnis complain about all the Shia getting killed. For my part I really didn't care since they all looked the same. Not to be offensive but they all were dirty, stinky Haji to me. All I know is we trusted none of them.
 
There's nothing 'baathist' about this organization, it's formulated around religious agenda, it's an extremist organization with irrational goals. It's approach to implementing religion is idiotic. You're narrow minded like them, both ends of spectrum have no clue how to resolve issues facing the region, nor do you guys understand what Islam is supposed to inspire, let alone know how to implement.

Ohhhhh but there is a lot of baathist influence in ISIS. Sorry dude but you can't deny it there are literally 100s of sources that point to this. The Ba'athists have a lot of power in ISIS and they are Secularists. It has nothing to do with religion when it comes to them, they want power again. But I do agree that ISIL's implementation of Religion is messed up and completely retarded and should be wiped off planet earth.

How am I narrow minded? Is that supposed to mean I am not a hypocrite? because if it is so be it.



'm not interested in this discussion, each person has his opinion. And leave your MB Egyptian business to yourself. **** you and the Egyptian MB, I don't care about it. They are your own people. And your assertions on Sinai are full of it, ISIS considers MB to be heretics, so again you're lying. Breakaways from MB are no longer MB stupid.

What? LOL dude it was YOU who brought up the Egyptian MB not me. How is my assertions full of it? Where is this document of where ISIS calls MB heretics.

Also I did say ex-MB members LOL dude you quoted the post you should read it again cause everything you are writing is making ZERO sense :rofl:.


All and all you made yourself look like a dipshit and a stuck up brat who can't take facts when they see it. Who says f*ck sources?:blink: What you suddenly don't care about the experts? Don't care about the Facts? LOL dude stop being delusional and wake up.

 
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Ohhhhh but there is a lot of baathist influence in ISIS. Sorry dude but you can't deny it there are literally 100s of sources that point to this. The Ba'athists have a lot of power in ISIS and they are Secularists. It has nothing to do with religion when it comes to them, they want power again. But I do agree that ISIL's implementation of Religion is messed up and completely stupid.

How am I narrow minded? Is that supposed to mean I am not a hypocrite? because if it is so be it.

The Naqshabandi group (izzat ad douri's group) in Iraq are ba'athists against the regime, several times they clashed with IS and IS crushed them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Men_of_the_Naqshbandi_Order

There's nothing Ba'ath/Pan Arabist about IS, just because a few of their commanders happen to be former republican guard commanders doesn't mean their ideology still is Baathism, that is long gone, the region has changed and Islamism has made an entry to peoples minds. Islam also started playing a larger role in Iraq after the 1991 war, an example of this is Saddam changing the Iraqi flag, adding Allahu Akbar.

This (till 1991)
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To this (1991-2003)
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The Naqshabandi group (izzat ad douri's group) in Iraq are ba'athists against the regime, several times they clashed with IS and IS crushed them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Men_of_the_Naqshbandi_Order

There's nothing Ba'ath/Pan Arabist about IS, just because a few of their commanders happen to be former republican guard commanders doesn't mean their ideology still is Baathism, that is long gone, the region has changed and Islamism has made an entry to peoples minds. Islam also started playing a larger role in Iraq after the 1991 war, an example of this is Saddam changing the Iraqi flag, adding Allahu Akbar.

This (till 1991)
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To this (1991-2003)
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Did you not read the sources? there are tons of Ba'athists still around in ISIS. But I didn't call ISIS ba'athists or a Secular Group at all but you can't deny that there is a large possiblity of almost all of the ba'athists retaining their former ideology considering how fucked up ISIS is.


http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/
Baathists began collaborating with al Qaeda in Iraq – the early incarnation of what would become Islamic State – soon after Saddam Hussein was ousted in 2003. Saddam had run a brutal police state. The U.S. occupation dissolved the Baath Party and barred senior and even middling party officials from joining the new security services. Some left the country, others joined the anti-American insurgency.

But then the Baathists and jihadists disagreed over who should be in charge. Many ex-Baathists struck an alliance with the U.S. military and turned on the jihadists.

By 2014, the Baathists and the jihadists were back to being allies. As Islamic State fighters swept through central Iraq, they were joined by the Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order, a group of Baathist fighters.

The Naqshbandi and smaller groups of Saddam-era officers made up the majority of fighters in the initial stages of last year’s military onslaught, according to Sunni tribal leaders, Baathists and an Iraqi security commander. It was the Naqshbandi who rallied locals in Mosul to rise up against Baghdad, and who planned and commanded many of last year’s military advances, according to Iraqi officials and Abdul al-Samad al-Ghrairy, a senior official in what’s left of the Baath Party.

Within days, though, Islamic State “took the revolution from us,” said Ghrairy. “We couldn’t sustain the battle.”

In Tikrit, Islamic State fighters opened a jail and released up to 200 followers. More Islamic State fighters poured into the city, many of them with heavy machine guns. These men “took all the army’s weapons and didn’t give the Naqshabandi any. They kicked them aside,” a senior security official in Salahuddin said.

Soon after the fall of Tikrit in June 2014, leaders from the main factions of the Sunni rebellion met in the house of a Baath Party member. According to the senior security official, Tikrit tribal leaders and Baath officials, Islamic State told Baathists they had a choice: Join us or stand down. Some Baathists abandoned the revolt. Others stayed, swelling the ranks of Islamic State with mid-level security veterans.

That has boosted Islamic State’s firepower and tactical prowess. “This is not the al Qaeda we fought before,” said a prominent Sunni from Mosul who battled Islamic State’s forerunners. “Their tactics are different. These are men educated in military staff college. They are ex-army leaders. They are not simple minds, but men with real experience.”

I am not denying that ISIS is not secular and I am not denying that Religion played some part in pre-Iraqi Freedom Iraq but it was mainly Secular.

All and all I welcome any force that is willing to Fight ISIS.
 
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Okay buddy, if you want to educate people open a thread or make your own post, not sure why you're quoting me with your 'hypocrite' mantra deal. I don't care what you say or think I am. You can believe what you want.
 
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You must have a bad memory. When I was deployed the sunni/zarkawi terrorized Iraqis and killed 100's of Shia a day. Maybe you forgot it because Shia may be not human to you but while we were stationed there 100's of thousands of Iraqis were blown off by Sunnis. I don't recall many Sunnis complain about all the Shia getting killed. For my part I really didn't care since they all looked the same. Not to be offensive but they all were dirty, stinky Haji to me. All I know is we trusted none of them.


Of course they will kill you when you go dirty with americans:-), the killing started when shia started kill sunnieswith american invasion. Don't act smart everybody nows what was happen in Fallujah, side by side fighting against americans suddenly side by side with americans against sunnies. Zarkawi is a product of shias betrayal, and like zarkawi now deash. Tommorow another group will merge, the car bombings will start after mosul operation. The war will never stop in iraq.

Thats how iran works, barking against american zionists. But when to fight against a opponent they use americans, and after that they will tell you that americans are the greatest devil. Somebody have to give them a miror.
 
You should have hoped it earlier because even before the creation of ISIS Shia militia was killing Sunnis labeling them Baathist supporters. Now when ISIS is created they are killing Sunnis by calling them Daesh and their supporters. Just because you are a good Shia Muslim doesnt mean every Shia in this world is a momin. Atleast condemn what these sectarian elements in ur sect are doing to Sunnis in Iraq and Syria. you call yourself counter terrorism expert yet you are so biased. These irani rats are the reason for this bloodshed in Middle east. They are a part of the problem not solution.

Asking self floggers to be just is like seeking refuge from a storm of bullets straight into a cage full of hyenas.
 
Asking self floggers to be just is like seeking refuge from a storm of bullets straight into a cage full of hyenas.

Better a self flogger who targets his own body and no one else rather than a suicide bomber who targets others. This is the difference between the most radical Shi'ite who chooses to cut his back in half with a sword and the most radical of the other sect which happen to be called Wahhabis or Salafis who chose to blow up people.
 
Better a self flogger who targets his own body and no one else rather than a suicide bomber who targets others.

That's because self floggers are too cowardly to sacrifice their lives for what they believe in. In the contrary your "radicals" are only good in torturing, killing and abusing helpless people.


International community ignoring ethnic cleansing in Fallujah

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Opinion...g-ethnic-cleansing-in-Fallujah/4931465567739/

Horrific sectarian atrocities are being committed in the final push to "liberate" the ancient city of Fallujah, 43 miles from Baghdad. Iranian-led Shi'ite militias who form the main part of the force fighting to re-capture the city from the Islamic State, also known as Daesh, are systematically arresting Sunni men and women fleeing the besieged city. Many are being tortured and executed.

The Shi'ite militias are financed and led by the Iranian terrorist Qods Force, whose senior commander Gen. Qasem Soleimani is on the EU and U.S. terrorist lists. Soleimani is spearheading the attack on Fallujah. His presence was confirmed in an astonishing statement by Iraq's Foreign Minister Ibrahim Jafari on Tuesday, when he said: "Qasem Soleimani provides military advice on Iraqi soil and this is with the complete awareness of our government."



Iran is exploiting their role in ousting IS as a means for implementing their genocidal policy of ethnic cleansing to annihilate the Sunnis in Iraq's al-Anbar Province. They claim that they have to detain all people fleeing from the city in case some of them may be IS jihadists. But this is simply an excuse to perpetrate barbaric atrocities on innocent Sunnis.

On Tuesday, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees said: "Eyewitnesses have described how armed groups operating in support of the Iraqi security forces are intercepting people fleeing the conflict, separating the men and teenage boys from the women and children, and detaining the males for 'security screening', which in some cases degenerates into physical violations and other forms of abuse, apparently in order to elicit forced confessions. There are even allegations that some individuals have been summarily executed by these armed groups."

The same thing happened during the so-called liberation of Ramadi, a city of over 1 million predominantly Sunni people, which was reduced to dust and rubble.

"Barely a single building has been left intact and the male population has simply disappeared. This scenario is being repeated in Fallujah, where mass graves have been discovered in some of the nearby Sunni villages containing bodies that have been burned, stabbed and brutalized."

The United Nations on Wednesday revised significantly its estimate of the number of civilians believed trapped in besieged Fallujah, raising the figure to 90,000 from a previous estimate of 50,000. It seems clear that there has been a deliberate attempt by Iraqi forces to provide a lower figure for the civilian population in Fallujah, in order to hide the inevitable death toll arising from the savage bombardment of residential areas, as well as the active participation of the Iranian regime's Qods Force and its affiliated militias.

Tehran is relentlessly strengthening its grip over Iraq. Corruption and poor training has rendered the Iraqi army almost useless, leaving a vacuum, which the Iranian regime has been quick to fill, pressuring Iraq's prime minister into allowing the Iranian-funded militias to take control of military operations.

Political disarray in Baghdad, combined with a directionless and dysfunctional American foreign policy, has paved the way for the fascist Iranian mullah-led regime to consolidate its hold in Iraq.

Repeated warnings by the European Iraqi Freedom Association and others about the dangers of allowing the Iranian-funded Shi'ite militias to have free reign in Iraq have been ignored. The Iraqi Sunnis of al-Anbar have paid a heavy price for international complacency. Once they have achieved their sectarian objectives in Fallujah, Tehran will turn its attention to Mosul, Iraq's second-biggest city with a population of more than 2 million Sunnis. IS has held Mosul for more than two years and its ethnic cleansing features high on the Iranian regime's priority list.

The international community can remain silent no longer in the face of such crimes against humanity. The Iranian-funded and -led militias are now guilty of crimes every bit as horrific as the terrorist IS jihadists who they are supposed to be trying to defeat. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, U.S. President Barack Obamaand EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Federica Mogherini must speak out now and demand an end to these atrocities and an end to Iranian meddling in Iraq.
 
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