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The Legacy of Mao Zedong is Mass Murder

No matter how trivial it sounds, but everything in this world has its price. Mao led China from the position of second Africa in the position of one of great powers. Stalin said in 1931: "We are lagging behind the advanced countries in 50-100 years. We must make this distance in ten years. Either we do it or they crush us."
Mao was in exactly the same position. He had to do what was done. There was no other way.

Very true. We would really like a few hundred years to accumulate starting capital like the Europeans did (though the way Europeans accumulated their first pot of gold is blood enough), but the reality is time waits for nobody.
 
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Who is Thurston.? and where did you get the photo,the photo looks at least 100 years old.
He is a journalist and during 1950 there were no color cameras in Hollywood and how do you expect for a better image during some worst femaine.
 
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He is a journalist and during 1950 there were no color cameras in Hollywood and how do you expect for a better image during some worst femaine.
Since you are putting this way, I'm doubting this picture is from 1950, could be Japanese prison labor camp.
 
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You know its weird that they say famine in China is mass murder. Then famine in India also mass murder by British. Famine is bad, is a sign time for revolution. Chinese were tired of war, Mao had the responsibility to prevent another one and it didn't happen. Easy for Europeans to say when they have America and Europe landmass to feed their population.
I think first you should read the whole article and then start supporting Mao WRT the article.

You know its weird that they say famine in China is mass murder. Then famine in India also mass murder by British. Famine is bad, is a sign time for revolution. Chinese were tired of war, Mao had the responsibility to prevent another one and it didn't happen. Easy for Europeans to say when they have America and Europe landmass to feed their population.
I think first you should read the whole article and then start supporting Mao WRT the article.And mao is trying to stop another one more war by Europeans with china.But he can wage a war with weaker Tibet and then for supporting the Buddhist head(Dalai lama) he can wage another war with India saying that Akasai Chin some barren land belongs to Tibet what a patriotism for tibet with in 1 year of occupying
You know its weird that they say famine in China is mass murder. Then famine in India also mass murder by British. Famine is bad, is a sign time for revolution. Chinese were tired of war, Mao had the responsibility to prevent another one and it didn't happen. Easy for Europeans to say when they have America and Europe landmass to feed their population.
And mao is trying to stop another one more war by Europeans with china.But he can wage a war with weaker Tibet and then for supporting the Buddhist head(Dalai lama) he can wage another war with India saying that Akasai Chin some barren land belongs to Tibet what a patriotism for tibet with in 1 year of occupying it.
 
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Mao made grand mistakes and millions died as a result but what's important is that the Chinese struggled and struggle never goes completely in vain. For example, during great leap people were told to make steel in their back yards all over the country. People tried so hard, melted any metal they could find in their backyard furnaces. It was not possible to make steel this way so it mostly failed but areas with traditional skill with iron did manage to produce steel and this way the knowledge of steel making was acquired on large scale. It laid the foundation for Chinese steel industry and now china it the largest producer of steel.
Many of Mao's other initiatives can be found to be paying dividends today.
 
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Why aren't the Indians complaining to the British about mass murdering Indians instead of criticizing Mao? The number of millions starved to death at the hands of the British is shocking
Why aren't the Indians complaining to the British about mass murdering Indians instead of criticizing Mao? The number of millions starved to death at the hands of the British is shocking


Indian friend, instead of talking (falsely) about China's past, think and talk about India's present.

With this mentality, you will forever stay as a backward, dirty, stinky, unhygienic, and malnourished India with countless other social diseases. A friendly advice.

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A United Nations report on hunger and malnutrition in India says millions of Indians still suffer from chronic undernourishment and severe micronutrient malnutrition, especially women and children and people belonging to lower castes.

The numbers of hungry people have increased in the past decade, with foodgrain-availability falling to 152 kg per capita, 23 kg less than in the 1990s.

The level of child malnutrition in India is among the highest in the world, higher even than some countries in sub-Saharan Africa, says the report ‘Extent of Chronic Hunger and Malnutrition in India’ by the UN’s special rapporteur on the right to food. The report was presented to the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva on September 22, 2006.

On child malnutrition in India the report says:

Nearly 2 million children die every year as a result of serious malnutrition and preventable diseases.
Nearly half suffer from moderate or severe malnutrition.
47% of children are underweight, and 46% stunted in their growth.
Malnutrition is most severe among children in rural areas, but it is also high in urban areas.
Nearly a third of children (30%) are born underweight, which means that their mothers too are underweight and undernourished. Malnutrition also increases during early childhood, particularly among girls.
Vitamin A deficiencies, particularly blindness, as well as iodine disorders have been recorded among children in hundreds of districts.

The report says that according to the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO), more than 200 million Indians eat less than the daily minimum calorie requirement. But the Indian government’s own statistics suggest that many more -- 53% of the population -- are undernourished.

Other key findings of the report:

The poorest 30% of households eat less than 1,700 kilocalories per day, per person (the international minimum standard is 2,100 kilocalories per day), even though they spend 70% of their income on food.
More than 80% of women, infants and adolescent girls suffer from anaemia, and iron intake is estimated to be below 50% of the recommended daily requirement.
The hungry and malnourished are primarily children and adults living in rural areas and are dependent on agriculture, working as casual workers but also as sharecroppers and tenant or marginal farmers with less than 1 hectare of land.
Agricultural wages are very low and increasingly precarious; minimum wages are not always enforced and many people lack work during the agricultural lean season.
In some states, feudalistic patterns of land ownership persist, despite its legal abolition.
The benefits of economic growth since the 1990s have not been felt equally; the better-off western and southern states have been doing better than the poorer northern and eastern states.
The increasingly market-oriented economy has not helped get the poorest out of poverty, and has only benefited the middle and upper classes.
The focus on an export-oriented economy has seen a shift from subsistence to cash crops. Thus, the cultivation of grain, pulses and millet for household consumption has gone down. At the same time, cash crops require more expensive inputs in terms of seeds and fertiliser. This has pushed many farmers into debt resulting in a large number of farmer suicides.

Government interventions in this area have not been very successful. The Tenth Five-Year Plan (2002-2007) includes the prevention, detection and management of micronutrient malnutrition, but studies by the Indian Council of Medical Research have shown that national nutrition goals have not been met.

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Note: Who is giving out positive ratings like cotton candies? Even the Hindu and Viet got it.
If Nehru had done what Mao did for development of china he would be considered as Hitler of India by the world.Nehru for his first 5 year tried to develop Agriculture for food not for commercial purpose as mao done with china.
 
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Trust me the Kuomintang, Chiang Kai Sek would have done the same to Tibet issue. Taiwan vetod UN intervention (during that Taiwan still hold permanent seat).

If Nehru had done what Mao did for development of china he would be considered as Hitler of India by the world.Nehru for his first 5 year tried to develop Agriculture for food not for commercial purpose as mao done with china.

Hitler is overated, his legacy is used to whitewash white genocide on the native American natives.

In Confucian chinese society is vastly different than Indian society. Our believe is that the Ruler is like your father. The relationship is like between father and son. A good son will never call his father bad. I do think parenting as a chinese is easier. Filial piety extends to the ruler. So that why chinese are offended when attack their leaders.
 
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I gotta reply here. I'm pro-China but I'm no fan of Mao. China would have been much better off had he died before he got a chance to launch the Great Leap Forward. Can you imagine how far along in development China would be today if Deng Xiaoping took over even 15 years earlier than he did?

However, there's a *huge* difference between terrible economic policies that led to a disastrous famine and a forced famine like the one Stalin imposed on the Ukraine. Although China's famine had a larger death toll, Mao's purpose wasn't to starve everyone - it was to catch up to the west in steel production (while stupidly ignoring the harvest). Stalin simply wanted to punish the rebellious Ukraine and starved them on purpose.

When someone willfully ignores the motives and intent behind such seminal events and attempts to compare the GLF famine to something like the Holocaust (which is what you're doing), I'm going to say that you're a pathetic troll. Or mentally challenged. Your pick.

Only great thing he did was uniting fragmented China under one strong central government which even Chiang Kai Shek failed to do but most of the thing went wrong in China during his tenure.
 
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Gandhi and Nehru didn't start the Direct Action Day which led to massive killings, riots and displacement of millions of people, it was your beloved Suhrawardy who even declared the public holiday on the day of Direct action day. You also know who started the Noakhali massacre.

But is it not true that Nehru rejected the idea of an Indian federation when it was proposed in the Cabinet Mission Plan in 1946 even though Jinnah had accepted it? I do not know much of pre-partition history, but from what I've heard, in the end partition was due to Nehru's failure to accept the plan.
 
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He was great leader for China. He did what was right for china and today' s china progress is evident for those policies.
 
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But is it not true that Nehru rejected the idea of an Indian federation when it was proposed in the Cabinet Mission Plan in 1946 even though Jinnah had accepted it? I do not know much of pre-partition history, but from what I've heard, in the end partition was due to Nehru's failure to accept the plan.

Congress rejected it because Muslim League was making unjust demands in the name of Muslim rights, and I also heard Jinnah came out with such demands because of rivalry of Punjab faction and UP faction within Muslim League. If Congress have accepted such demands, it would have caused dent in their popularity with the accusation of appeasement.
 
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