The Kargil Conflict Revisited

[truthseer]

My dear friend do not compare Kalam & Modi, you may have your objections to Modi , but to Kalam ...

Kalam is a bigger criminal, should be hung to death, just like that evil Bhagat Singh, the terrorist

 

[Mav3rick]

I agree with you on the bold part.They were all great heroes.But Musharraf is not among those heroes.All he did was he lost a war that he waged!!something that cost Pakistan and its army its reputation,reliability and a 1000+ lives.

But that's where we differ too, Musharraf won the battles that NS lost in America. It was a soldier that went after the enemy and a politician who crumbled against pressure.

 

[nForce]

But that's where we differ too, Musharraf won the battles that NS lost in America. It was a soldier that went after the enemy and a politician who crumbled against pressure.

Consider this situation.Pakistan maintained this position that the infiltrators in Kargil were mujahideens and not regulars,which was again Musharraf's idea.Later,the Indian forces started bombarding the infiltrators with jets and artillery.But Pakistan could not help them due to its previously maintained position that no Pakistani regulars were involved.Supply lines cutoff,surrounded, and getting continuously bombarded. You should be thanking NS,irrespective of how much incompetent he is,that his actions saved many Pakistani soldiers' lives.The war... it was already lost.

 

[Hulk]

I see that top leadership of PA wants to discredit Mussarraf. Maybe they do not want him to come back as PM. It looks like internally they do not like him. He seems to have lost favors with PA. I know Kayani does not like him.

 

[Mav3rick]

Consider this situation.Pakistan maintained this position that the infiltrators in Kargil were mujahideens and not regulars,which was again Musharraf's idea.Later,the Indian forces started bombarding the infiltrators with jets and artillery.But Pakistan could not help them due to its previously maintained position that no Pakistani regulars were involved.Supply lines cutoff,surrounded, and getting continuously bombarded. You should be thanking NS,irrespective of how much incompetent he is,that his actions saved many Pakistani soldiers' lives.The war... it was already lost.

Well, the soldiers fighting there were NLI, non regulars. So there was no deceit there. And Musharraf could not support the fighters because he could not get the political/civilian leadership behind him which was most unfortunate. I mean NS knew of the operation so he should either have stuck with Musharraf and supported his Army or should have opposed the operation right from the beginning. And it's a big lie that he did not know.

 

[karan.1970]

Well, the soldiers fighting there were NLI, non regulars. So there was no deceit there. And Musharraf could not support the fighters because he could not get the political/civilian leadership behind him which was most unfortunate. I mean NS knew of the operation so he should either have stuck with Musharraf and supported his Army or should have opposed the operation right from the beginning. And it's a big lie that he did not know.

NLI was a regular para military force (just like rangers and FC) but rolls up into Pakistani Army and not Ministry of interior like the rangers or FC.. And here goes another lie

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Obviously your countrymen are.



You lost more land to India in 65 which we gave back to you after ceasefire.Your objective to create an uprising and liberate kashmir was an utter failure.

Our objective in 65 was to drive you out of our part of kashmir . We did it.

Bogus, fabricated claims.

go tell yr stories to some one else u believe u people.

 

[nForce]

Well, the soldiers fighting there were NLI, non regulars. So there was no deceit there. And Musharraf could not support the fighters because he could not get the political/civilian leadership behind him which was most unfortunate. I mean NS knew of the operation so he should either have stuck with Musharraf and supported his Army or should have opposed the operation right from the beginning. And it's a big lie that he did not know.

The Paramilitary men belonged to NLI had a regular uniform and represented Pakistan.Hence their actions as soldiers will hold Pakistan accountable.Just the same way they had the rights to be treated as POW upon capture.Indian Army had returned the bodies of dead Pakistani soldiers,once their identity was discovered from their ID cards, for the same reason,they followed the convention.

See,the fact is very simple.
Pakistani Army,at that point of time disowned the NLI jawans in Kargil saying that they were mujahideen.That was a mistake.
Now that the have been branded mujahideen,Pak Army or Airforce cannot directly help them.Without that,how long do you think these guys could withstand the artillery barrages and aerial bombardment ?
At best,they could have fought till the last bullet,last drop of blood.That would have prolonged the war for a month or two more.But,in the end,they would all have been killed.
Nawaz Sharif action or inaction didnt loose Kargil for you.But Gen. Musharraf's decision to portray the NLI soldiers as mujahideen definitely sealed the fate for them and eased India's way to win the war.

Well, the soldiers fighting there were NLI, non regulars. So there was no deceit there. And Musharraf could not support the fighters because he could not get the political/civilian leadership behind him which was most unfortunate. I mean NS knew of the operation so he should either have stuck with Musharraf and supported his Army or should have opposed the operation right from the beginning. And it's a big lie that he did not know.

The Paramilitary men belonged to NLI had a regular uniform and represented Pakistan.Hence their actions as soldiers will hold Pakistan accountable.Just the same way they had the rights to be treated as POW upon capture.Indian Army had returned the bodies of dead Pakistani soldiers,once their identity was discovered from their ID cards, for the same reason,they followed the convention.

See,the fact is very simple.
Pakistani Army,at that point of time disowned the NLI jawans in Kargil saying that they were mujahideen.That was a mistake.
Now that the have been branded mujahideen,Pak Army or Airforce cannot directly help them.Without that,how long do you think these guys could withstand the artillery barrages and aerial bombardment ?
At best,they could have fought till the last bullet,last drop of blood.That would have prolonged the war for a month or two more.But,in the end,they would all have been killed.
Nawaz Sharif action or inaction didnt loose Kargil for you.But Gen. Musharraf's decision to portray the NLI soldiers as mujahideen definitely sealed the fate for them and eased India's way to win the war.

 

[INDIC]

Bogus, fabricated claims.

go tell yr stories to some one else u believe u people.

Which part looks fabricated to you.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Which part looks fabricated to you.

U RSS chicken i was talking to someone else in a different context.

kindly read the previous comments to understand our point of discussion.

 

[KRAIT]

U RSS chicken i was talking to someone else in a different context.kindly read the previous comments to understand our point of discussion.

Sorry, RSS recruits only humans, not chicken.

 

[Paan Singh]

Bogus, fabricated claims.

go tell yr stories to some one else u believe u people.

Pakistan occupied nearly 500 km Sq and india occupied 1800+ but after ceasefire both forces returned to original position.
Thats why indian generals shout why give concessions to enemy?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Sorry, RSS recruits only humans, not chicken.

sorry Bro Krait i was replying to this stupid guy who thinks im Mirpuri

 

[INDIC]

sorry Bro Krait i was replying to this stupid guy who thinks im Mirpuri

I won't press you hard.

 

[Ammyy]

Bogus, fabricated claims.

go tell yr stories to some one else u believe u people.

We still have J&K

If you won then how is this possible ??? your history tells you lie