The international-law Irony of U.S. Provocations in South China Sea

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Got to admit, buddy, the amount of island genesis they have done is impressive.

We Asian are great builders and hard workers.

 

[TaiShang]

Got to admit, buddy, the amount of island genesis they have done is impressive.

 

[xunzi]

Let them continue to provoke and threaten our national security. They cannot use the same innocent passage excuse again traveling inside the 12nm zone without subject to international law and norm.

nope, you are the one that's confused on what I said.

What make you think Triton island is within Chinese Water? Because it was Chinese Claim or Chinese is the current administrator of the Island??

As I said, both case is not to be used as an assumption to allow for a true bearing under UNCLOS. As you assume the island belong to China as part of territorial water, but again, this is disputed.

Unless you came out ahead as a non-disputed owner of the Island, there would not be any ownership, of course you can enforce your own law on it, it does not mean you have your control of the island under international standard. You can, either go to a court and emerge as an undisputed owner, or alternatively, you can engage in any shipping that traverse thru the island, and the Chinese did not did either one of that.

When we travel inside 12nm of Diaoyu, is that legal or illegal, my friend? LOL

 

[Place Of Space]

The thing is SCS is not China's water for other warship's to gain permission to enter. China's claim has no historical or even modern basis.

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[Aepsilons]

We Asian are great builders and hard workers.

The shear speed and scale of your island genesis project(s) is commendable, to be honest. There really is nothing the US can do in regards to staving Chinese island genesis, which will soon function as impermeable aircraft carriers.I suppose Japan has recently decided to take up a strategic ambigious position in regards to this -- as we seen the ineffectiveness in such protestations. I suppose we should all develop strategies to co-exist peacefully and share responsibilities in this vital sea lane.

Interesting development.

 

[gambit]

Ok, then there is nothing to discuss here. As, for you, everything is based on "guessing" and "understanding".

You are naive. You can bet whatever annual salary you make that outside of the newspaper and TV anchors, US diplomats and their counterparts have been talking about what China want to do, is doing, and probably will do, in the SCS.

Do you really think that China went to Japan, South Korea, and others and said: 'Guys, here is the dash-9 map. It means we own that area.' ?

And the rest of Asia agreed ?

Right now, the rest of Asia is strengthening their navies as best they can and talks about alliances if possible, while cheering for the US Navy. No one supports China's claim to the SCS and those islands.

 

[sicsheep]

You are naive. You can bet whatever annual salary you make that outside of the newspaper and TV anchors, US diplomats and their counterparts have been talking about what China want to do, is doing, and probably will do, in the SCS.

Do you really think that China went to Japan, South Korea, and others and said: 'Guys, here is the dash-9 map. It means we own that area.' ?

And the rest of Asia agreed ?

Right now, the rest of Asia is strengthening their navies as best they can and talks about alliances if possible, while cheering for the US Navy. No one supports China's claim to the SCS and those islands.

you are navie if you think that.

Every country in Asia besides Philippines and Japan wants better relations with China.
half of the country in ASEAN is unwilling to go against China, namely Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia. Myanmar and Brunei.
We are still waiting for ASEAN joint statement on SCS issue, where is it?

 

[rcrmj]

what a 'bull' of this 'xinhua' article, of course U.S respects International Law, every time, anywhere! This must be CCP's propaganda to defame America's imperialism ``cough``cough ````

 

[gambit]

you are navie if you think that.

Every country in Asia besides Philippines and Japan wants better relations with China.
half of the country in ASEAN is unwilling to go against China, namely Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia. Myanmar and Brunei.
We are still waiting for ASEAN joint statement on SCS issue, where is it?

What kind of simplistic thinking is that ?

Just because many Asian countries want good relationships with China, that mean they are willing to let China run roughshod over their accesses to the seas ?

 

[sicsheep]

What kind of simplistic thinking is that ?

Just because many Asian countries want good relationships with China, that mean they are willing to let China run roughshod over their accesses to the seas ?

simplistic thinking? we only repelled hostiles from the Philippines and Vietnam, what do the other countries have to worry about if have good relationships with us?

You think they let US run Asia just because they don't like China? this is far from the truth. maybe only in case of Philippines and Japan.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

You are naive. You can bet whatever annual salary you make that outside of the newspaper and TV anchors, US diplomats and their counterparts have been talking about what China want to do, is doing, and probably will do, in the SCS.

Do you really think that China went to Japan, South Korea, and others and said: 'Guys, here is the dash-9 map. It means we own that area.' ?

And the rest of Asia agreed ?

Right now, the rest of Asia is strengthening their navies as best they can and talks about alliances if possible, while cheering for the US Navy. No one supports China's claim to the SCS and those islands.

Keep quiet and calm down, little Viet.

We don't care about those trivialities. In 2015, we have just applied over half of the special ships and equipments in the world that can be used in sea-filling and island reclamation to build islands and launched new warships with the total tonnage five times heavier than the new launched tonnage of US navy this year.

 

[sicsheep]

Are you a lawyer? My wife is, and as much as she dislike Iraq war, she, along with every lawyer trying to find the wrong doing of Iraq war cannot find it illegal. Do tell me which international law the US break when they invaded Iraq? Did you bother to read the cause of war in Iraq? Which generally considered to be Resolution 687 by UNSC, an act China as a UNSC Permanent Member agree on?

687 Did not specified the use of force in the scope of having Weapon of Mass Destruction, it gave right to use of force at the REFUSAL of inspection In Paragraph 34, it specified "Designed to remain seized of the matter, and to take such further steps as may be required for the implementation of the present resolution and to secure peace and security in the area" While resolution 687 focus on allowing inspection and declaring of WMD the Iraqi currently process and specified to take further steps, which it does not specify whether or not war is one of the possible step. And Iraq did refused the UN inspection in several case, the UN inspector were ask to leave the country, Thus given the US a decision to take "Further Step" in order to ensue 687 was followed by the Iraqi Government.

While it does not specify whether or not War was excluded, hence it was a legitimate decision to use war to make Iraqi complies with Resolution 687, since it was not excluded hence they are NOT ILLEGAL Most people critize Iraq war as immoral, NOT ILLEGAL

Here are the Resolution 687 once again, suggest you read it.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/687.pdf

And Libya Intervention. Did you even know they were ordered by UN resolution 1973?

So if US break international Law by bombing Libya, then China, as part of party that passed resolution 1973 would be equally culpable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973



lol, the US is breaking your rules, not talking about breaking your so-called rules. They were actually sending ship over in SCS, not talking about sending ship to the SCS to proof freedom of navigation.

On the other hand....

"This is Chinese Navy, This is Chinese Navy, you go now"

LOL your wife is a lawyer specializes in and practices International Law? Iraq war was legal according to US law, not international law.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

China's got nothing to worry about, Nothing LOL

 

[gambit]

simplistic thinking? we only repelled hostiles from the Philippines and Vietnam, what do the other countries have to worry about if have good relationships with us?

Then why did ASEAN held a meeting about it and why was China so worried about it ?

You think they let US run Asia just because they don't like China? this is far from the truth. maybe only in case of Philippines and Japan.

We do not 'run' Asia. We just want to ensure EVERYONE -- not just China -- have access to the seas. Apparently, China have a problem with that.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Lu Xun is never wrong abt natinal Cnese character at all time

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The True Story of Ah Q

Ah Q is famous for "spiritual victories", Lu Xun'seuphemism for self-talk and self-deception even when faced with extreme defeat or humiliation. Ah Q is a bully to the less fortunate but fearful of those who are above him in rank, strength, or power. He persuades himself mentally that he is spiritually "superior" to his oppressors even as he succumbs to their tyranny and suppression.

Lu Xun exposes Ah Q's extreme faults as symptomatic of the Chinese national character of his time.

The ending of the piece – when Ah Q is carted off to execution for a minor crime – is equally poignant andsatirical.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Lu Xun is never wrong abt natinal Cnese character at all time

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The True Story of Ah Q

Ah Q is famous for "spiritual victories", Lu Xun'seuphemism for self-talk and self-deception even when faced with extreme defeat or humiliation. Ah Q is a bully to the less fortunate but fearful of those who are above him in rank, strength, or power. He persuades himself mentally that he is spiritually "superior" to his oppressors even as he succumbs to their tyranny and suppression.

Lu Xun exposes Ah Q's extreme faults as symptomatic of the Chinese national character of his time.

The ending of the piece – when Ah Q is carted off to execution for a minor crime – is equally poignant andsatirical.

Isn't it the national character of Viet?