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The Modi government signals a new push into the Indian Ocean with a diplomatic offensive and naval expansion to counter China's growing presence


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On February 18, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) formally cleared India's single-largest defence project: a joint Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)-Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC)-Navy project to build six nuclear-powered attack submarines or SSNs for roughly $12 billion (Rs.74,400 crore). This mammoth 'Make in India' project, nearly the size of the budget allotted this year to the three services to buy hardware ($15 billion), was not an isolated policy decision. Less than a month after he chaired the CCS, Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited the Indian Ocean littoral countries of Seychelles, Mauritius and Sri Lanka, vital to India's maritime security framework. Here he gifted patrol aircraft, commissioned a warship and secured long-term access to the southern Indian Ocean (see box).

A senior naval official says India's ramped-up Indian Ocean push is a direct response to the expansion in China's naval capabilities including submarine deployments in the Indian Ocean over the past year, and oceanographic surveys meant to legitimise its presence in the region.

India's response is part of a recognition of not just its maritime capabilities, a comprehensive linkage between diplomacy and power projection capability and the fact that China's game plan has huge security implications. "We look at capabilities, not intentions. Intentions can change overnight. If the Chinese have the capability to base their ships in the Indian Ocean Region, it has huge security implications for us," the senior naval officer adds.

THE CHINA GAMBIT

China's increased Indian Ocean presence is part of a $40-billion Maritime Silk Road unveiled by Xi Jingping in 2013. "Shorn of all the commercial hype, the Maritime Silk Road is a proprietary set of Sea Lines of Communication that will accelerate its drive to draw Africa and the Indian Ocean littorals into its resource access network," says Vice Admiral Vijay Shankar, former chief of the Indian Strategic Forces Command. "Intrinsic and yet left unsaid to the establishment of such a proprietary maritime web is the ability to secure and control it. This would place in perspective the modernisation and growth trajectory of China's navy."

Yet, even until 2012, China's entry into the Indian Ocean was confined to anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden.

Beijing remained preoccupied with acquiring dominance in the Yellow Sea, the Taiwan Straits, the East China Sea and the South China Sea around it. A 2012 study, 'Non Alignment 2.0', by a group of scholars including former foreign secretary Shyam Saran, recommended that India use a window of opportunity to build up its naval capabilities in the Indian Ocean.

But China's rapid-fire deployments of three submarines-two SSNs and a conventional submarine-in just a year indicated that this window was rapidly closing. China has a force of more than 60 submarines, including a dozen nuclear-powered platforms. Its sustained Indian Ocean deployments have signalled its ability to undertake long-range missions off India's coast. China's deployments coincided with a critical decline in India's submarine arm-it has 13 conventional diesel-electric submarines, although 24 are required. The navy currently operates a single SSN, the 12,000-tonne Akula-II submarine INS Chakra, on a decade-long lease from Russia since 2012. A project to indigenously assemble six French Scorpene submarines is five years behind schedule. Contracts to build six more conventional Project 75I submarines are yet to be awarded.

Late last year, the NDA government dusted out a 2008 naval proposal for six SSNs, thereby joining a group of Asian nations-Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines-that are rushing to acquire submarines to protect their territorial waters in the face of a rising China.

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THE ATTACK SUBMARINE

The Indian Navy's Maritime Capability Perspective Plan unveiled in 2005 envisages a 160-ship navy with 90 capital ships such as frigates and destroyers. Besides seven P17A frigates for $7 billion (Rs.45,000 crore), the government has cleared projects for five fleet support ships, approved a third aircraft carrier and four landing platform dock ships that will project power in the Indian Ocean. Yet, it will be the six SSNs that will form the lynchpin of India's response to the Chinese navy.

The navy envisaged multiple roles for a future nuclear-powered attack submarine fleet: two SSNs each to escort each of the three Carrier Battle Groups, protect the "bastion areas", or bases of the Arihant-class SSBNs, and hunt enemy submarines in the Indian Ocean Region. In the event of a Chinese offensive in the Himalayas, the SSNs will form the backbone of a future Indian riposte. They will run interdiction missions at vital choke points and conduct operations in enemy waters.

All of these tasks are presently carried out by a solitary INS Chakra, which is to be supplemented by a second SSN, possibly the Kashalot to be leased from Russia for $2.7 billion in 2018. "SSN's utility in denial operations, raising the cost of hostile military intervention and shadowing high-value units such as carrier groups and SSBNs, is unparalleled," says Shankar.

The SSN project comes at a time when India's three-decade-old nuclear submarine project is finally coming up to speed. The INS Arihant or the S2, the first of a class of four 6,000-tonne ballistic missile submarines, recently began her sea trials in Visakhapatnam.

The submarine's performance in surface trials has enthused naval officials to plan for its commissioning in December this year. The INS Arihant cost around Rs.6,000 crore to build and can carry either 12 short-range B0-5 missiles or four K4 nucleartipped ballistic missiles with a range of 3,500 km. The DRDO has set up an SSN cell headed by a retired vice admiral in its nuclear submarine building hub, the Ship Building Centre (SBC) in Visakhapatnam. The navy's Delhibased Submarine Design Group is now working to complete a design for these undersea vessels in the next two years. The shipyard to build the vessels is yet to be decided but officials say this programme will run parallel to the seven strategic submarines of the Advanced Technology Vessel Project (ATV).

THE TECHNOLOGICAL CHALLENGE
At roughly Rs.12,000 crore a unit, one SSN would equal the cost of two 7,500-tonne Project 15A Kolkata-class destroyers. Cost, however, has never been a hurdle. The belief in the need for a nuclear navy has led a series of PMs from Indira Gandhi to Narendra Modi to ensure generous budgetary support.

The ATV programme has spent over Rs.30,000 crore, most of it in secret funds which do not form part of the defence budget. Politicians have occasionally questioned if they were getting value for money. In 2005, then finance minister P. Chidambaram, a member of the apex political committee steering the classified project, wondered why the Arihant, costing over a billion dollars (Rs.6,200 crore), carried only four missiles. The project team doubled the missile load on three subsequent vessels. The only challenges in the project have been technological. The CCS approval marks the start of a new challenge for scientists and nuclear engineers.

Nuclear submarines are powered by compact reactors that produce heat from fission to run a steam turbine. Unlike conventional submarines, a nuclear sub does not have to surface periodically for air to run its diesel engines. Yet, the technical challenge of designing and fitting a compact reactor inside a space the size of a two-storeyed building is insurmountable for all but the P5 countries which build such vessels.

India's ATV project started as a troika of agencies. Steered by the DRDO which also developed the vessel's long-range ballistic missiles, it was staffed by naval project teams that brought in design expertise and BARC that built and developed the reactor. By the late 1990s, it had spent over Rs.2,000 crore on its classified ATV programme without results. The failure to produce a submarine had in 1998 piqued then navy chief Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat to call for a technical audit. Considerable Russian design assistance that followed the May 1998 nuclear tests breathed new life into the project. Even so, it took the Arihant 15 years from the start of construction to begin sea trials. The navy fought a pitched but unsuccessful battle to wrest the project away from DRDO control five years back.

A former DRDO chief is optimistic about the next line of submarines. "We are on schedule with the SSNs and we have the capability to design the submarine and build the reactor," he says.

The six SSNs will be a spin-off from a project that is building four Arihantclass SSBNs or ballistic missile-firing nuclear submarines. The downstream effect of this Make in India project will be tremendous. One private sector official says the $12-billion project will have a force multiplier effect of $40 billion on the Indian economy, generating over a million skilled jobs and sustaining the ecosystem that has grown around the ATV project.

One admiral points out that while the SSN will be Arihant's size, designing and building it will be far more challenging as both platforms have different tasks. An SSBN like the Arihant is a stealth underwater bomber ready to launch nuclear-tipped missiles at an adversary. Its reactor needs to deliver steady speeds as it prowls undetected.

An SSN, on the other hand, is like a fighter jet. It needs a high-performance nuclear reactor which delivers tremendous speed with rapid acceleration and deceleration. It needs a reactor that can perform multiple tasks such as pursuing enemy warships and striking land targets. Opinion seems to be divided regarding the type of reactor that will power the SSN.

BARC wants the Arihant's 83 MW reactor to lead the way. "It's better to build on a proven design. The SSN should have a compact version of the same reactor," says Anil Anand, former head of the BARC reactor design team. A former admiral, also part of the project, differs and calls for a new 190 MW reactor such as the one on the Chakra to be designed.

The new SSN programme, experts say, is an opportunity to learn from past mistakes. Admiral Arun Kumar Singh, former eastern naval commander, calls for stringent supervision to ensure the project stays the course. "The Prime Minister must monitor its progress every year and the defence minister every three months. Otherwise what happens is that the DRDO gives us ambitious projections which it fails to meet," he says. Clearly, old ghosts will continue to haunt the project.



Read more at: The Modi government signals a new push into the Indian Ocean with a diplomatic offensive and naval expansion to counter China's growing presence : Special Report - India Today

I owe @Ind4Ever an apology. Though in my defense, this is the first article to actually acknowledge the doubling of the missile tubes.
 
The Modi government signals a new push into the Indian Ocean with a diplomatic offensive and naval expansion to counter China's growing presence


nucl_032715115323.jpg


On February 18, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) formally cleared India's single-largest defence project: a joint Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)-Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC)-Navy project to build six nuclear-powered attack submarines or SSNs for roughly $12 billion (Rs.74,400 crore). This mammoth 'Make in India' project, nearly the size of the budget allotted this year to the three services to buy hardware ($15 billion), was not an isolated policy decision. Less than a month after he chaired the CCS, Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited the Indian Ocean littoral countries of Seychelles, Mauritius and Sri Lanka, vital to India's maritime security framework. Here he gifted patrol aircraft, commissioned a warship and secured long-term access to the southern Indian Ocean (see box).

A senior naval official says India's ramped-up Indian Ocean push is a direct response to the expansion in China's naval capabilities including submarine deployments in the Indian Ocean over the past year, and oceanographic surveys meant to legitimise its presence in the region.

India's response is part of a recognition of not just its maritime capabilities, a comprehensive linkage between diplomacy and power projection capability and the fact that China's game plan has huge security implications. "We look at capabilities, not intentions. Intentions can change overnight. If the Chinese have the capability to base their ships in the Indian Ocean Region, it has huge security implications for us," the senior naval officer adds.

THE CHINA GAMBIT

China's increased Indian Ocean presence is part of a $40-billion Maritime Silk Road unveiled by Xi Jingping in 2013. "Shorn of all the commercial hype, the Maritime Silk Road is a proprietary set of Sea Lines of Communication that will accelerate its drive to draw Africa and the Indian Ocean littorals into its resource access network," says Vice Admiral Vijay Shankar, former chief of the Indian Strategic Forces Command. "Intrinsic and yet left unsaid to the establishment of such a proprietary maritime web is the ability to secure and control it. This would place in perspective the modernisation and growth trajectory of China's navy."

Yet, even until 2012, China's entry into the Indian Ocean was confined to anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden.

Beijing remained preoccupied with acquiring dominance in the Yellow Sea, the Taiwan Straits, the East China Sea and the South China Sea around it. A 2012 study, 'Non Alignment 2.0', by a group of scholars including former foreign secretary Shyam Saran, recommended that India use a window of opportunity to build up its naval capabilities in the Indian Ocean.

But China's rapid-fire deployments of three submarines-two SSNs and a conventional submarine-in just a year indicated that this window was rapidly closing. China has a force of more than 60 submarines, including a dozen nuclear-powered platforms. Its sustained Indian Ocean deployments have signalled its ability to undertake long-range missions off India's coast. China's deployments coincided with a critical decline in India's submarine arm-it has 13 conventional diesel-electric submarines, although 24 are required. The navy currently operates a single SSN, the 12,000-tonne Akula-II submarine INS Chakra, on a decade-long lease from Russia since 2012. A project to indigenously assemble six French Scorpene submarines is five years behind schedule. Contracts to build six more conventional Project 75I submarines are yet to be awarded.

Late last year, the NDA government dusted out a 2008 naval proposal for six SSNs, thereby joining a group of Asian nations-Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines-that are rushing to acquire submarines to protect their territorial waters in the face of a rising China.

nuclea_032715115323.jpg
THE ATTACK SUBMARINE

The Indian Navy's Maritime Capability Perspective Plan unveiled in 2005 envisages a 160-ship navy with 90 capital ships such as frigates and destroyers. Besides seven P17A frigates for $7 billion (Rs.45,000 crore), the government has cleared projects for five fleet support ships, approved a third aircraft carrier and four landing platform dock ships that will project power in the Indian Ocean. Yet, it will be the six SSNs that will form the lynchpin of India's response to the Chinese navy.

The navy envisaged multiple roles for a future nuclear-powered attack submarine fleet: two SSNs each to escort each of the three Carrier Battle Groups, protect the "bastion areas", or bases of the Arihant-class SSBNs, and hunt enemy submarines in the Indian Ocean Region. In the event of a Chinese offensive in the Himalayas, the SSNs will form the backbone of a future Indian riposte. They will run interdiction missions at vital choke points and conduct operations in enemy waters.

All of these tasks are presently carried out by a solitary INS Chakra, which is to be supplemented by a second SSN, possibly the Kashalot to be leased from Russia for $2.7 billion in 2018. "SSN's utility in denial operations, raising the cost of hostile military intervention and shadowing high-value units such as carrier groups and SSBNs, is unparalleled," says Shankar.

The SSN project comes at a time when India's three-decade-old nuclear submarine project is finally coming up to speed. The INS Arihant or the S2, the first of a class of four 6,000-tonne ballistic missile submarines, recently began her sea trials in Visakhapatnam.

The submarine's performance in surface trials has enthused naval officials to plan for its commissioning in December this year. The INS Arihant cost around Rs.6,000 crore to build and can carry either 12 short-range B0-5 missiles or four K4 nucleartipped ballistic missiles with a range of 3,500 km. The DRDO has set up an SSN cell headed by a retired vice admiral in its nuclear submarine building hub, the Ship Building Centre (SBC) in Visakhapatnam. The navy's Delhibased Submarine Design Group is now working to complete a design for these undersea vessels in the next two years. The shipyard to build the vessels is yet to be decided but officials say this programme will run parallel to the seven strategic submarines of the Advanced Technology Vessel Project (ATV).

THE TECHNOLOGICAL CHALLENGE
At roughly Rs.12,000 crore a unit, one SSN would equal the cost of two 7,500-tonne Project 15A Kolkata-class destroyers. Cost, however, has never been a hurdle. The belief in the need for a nuclear navy has led a series of PMs from Indira Gandhi to Narendra Modi to ensure generous budgetary support.

The ATV programme has spent over Rs.30,000 crore, most of it in secret funds which do not form part of the defence budget. Politicians have occasionally questioned if they were getting value for money. In 2005, then finance minister P. Chidambaram, a member of the apex political committee steering the classified project, wondered why the Arihant, costing over a billion dollars (Rs.6,200 crore), carried only four missiles. The project team doubled the missile load on three subsequent vessels. The only challenges in the project have been technological. The CCS approval marks the start of a new challenge for scientists and nuclear engineers.

Nuclear submarines are powered by compact reactors that produce heat from fission to run a steam turbine. Unlike conventional submarines, a nuclear sub does not have to surface periodically for air to run its diesel engines. Yet, the technical challenge of designing and fitting a compact reactor inside a space the size of a two-storeyed building is insurmountable for all but the P5 countries which build such vessels.

India's ATV project started as a troika of agencies. Steered by the DRDO which also developed the vessel's long-range ballistic missiles, it was staffed by naval project teams that brought in design expertise and BARC that built and developed the reactor. By the late 1990s, it had spent over Rs.2,000 crore on its classified ATV programme without results. The failure to produce a submarine had in 1998 piqued then navy chief Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat to call for a technical audit. Considerable Russian design assistance that followed the May 1998 nuclear tests breathed new life into the project. Even so, it took the Arihant 15 years from the start of construction to begin sea trials. The navy fought a pitched but unsuccessful battle to wrest the project away from DRDO control five years back.

A former DRDO chief is optimistic about the next line of submarines. "We are on schedule with the SSNs and we have the capability to design the submarine and build the reactor," he says.

The six SSNs will be a spin-off from a project that is building four Arihantclass SSBNs or ballistic missile-firing nuclear submarines. The downstream effect of this Make in India project will be tremendous. One private sector official says the $12-billion project will have a force multiplier effect of $40 billion on the Indian economy, generating over a million skilled jobs and sustaining the ecosystem that has grown around the ATV project.

One admiral points out that while the SSN will be Arihant's size, designing and building it will be far more challenging as both platforms have different tasks. An SSBN like the Arihant is a stealth underwater bomber ready to launch nuclear-tipped missiles at an adversary. Its reactor needs to deliver steady speeds as it prowls undetected.

An SSN, on the other hand, is like a fighter jet. It needs a high-performance nuclear reactor which delivers tremendous speed with rapid acceleration and deceleration. It needs a reactor that can perform multiple tasks such as pursuing enemy warships and striking land targets. Opinion seems to be divided regarding the type of reactor that will power the SSN.

BARC wants the Arihant's 83 MW reactor to lead the way. "It's better to build on a proven design. The SSN should have a compact version of the same reactor," says Anil Anand, former head of the BARC reactor design team. A former admiral, also part of the project, differs and calls for a new 190 MW reactor such as the one on the Chakra to be designed.

The new SSN programme, experts say, is an opportunity to learn from past mistakes. Admiral Arun Kumar Singh, former eastern naval commander, calls for stringent supervision to ensure the project stays the course. "The Prime Minister must monitor its progress every year and the defence minister every three months. Otherwise what happens is that the DRDO gives us ambitious projections which it fails to meet," he says. Clearly, old ghosts will continue to haunt the project.

I owe @Ind4Ever an apology. Though in my defense, this is the first article to actually acknowledge the doubling of the missile tubes.

Apologies accepted Didact !!! Who ever Indian for ever is ;) looks like he got banned .
Anyways people are missing a point on Arihant here the displacofement 6000T is not submerged displacement for example Akula ssn is 12000T submerged but it's actual displacement is 8000T only . So S3 S4 S4* will be utilised to its full potential . And S4* is a surprise for me . Never knew we had 4 SSBN Bro .

It's a Master Stroke by this Modi-fied strategic planning . Man I must saw this will propel India into a multi dimension force . Border mischievous has to be done with caution because looks like new defensive against our neighbours is to go offensive . THAT SUMS it all.

So here is our fleet . If my speculation is true . We will go for 3/4 more Scorpenes by next two years . And as I belive P75I won't just stop with just 6 SSK . Because as of now our Mod planning to have 2 private shipyards toped in for initial 6 P75I along with PSU. 1+1+4 . 4 for our experienced PSU . Since 1 submarine is mere waste of money to invest in these private shipyards needs another 3+3 as follow on just to stay away from loss . In fact recent reports suggest that private players not happy with dividing 6 sub orders . Sighting of loss due to large investment needed to create a supply line to produce world's most advances stealth submarines . And there for 4 each for 3 shipyards will reduce the time as well . HUGE TWIST will be if Japanese sell their SORYU SSK . Producing 12 or even 6 will keep Chinese PLAN out of IOR for the next 20 years at least . But bits more unlikely . As Japanese are using this submarine as there super weapon against Large PLAN as a power packed surprised package . Even Australians are begging for this Submarines for very long time now. If Big 3 India Japan Australia operate SORYU ...... Well end of Bullying in SCS & IOR.

So IN will operate 12 nuclear submarines + 6 ( or +3/4) deadly Scorpenes + 6 bigger SSK ( may be 6 more as I mentioned) + 14 old and upgraded submarines of Russians and Germany . 24 new submarines planned and cleared for in :D :D :D

TIME TO PUT THINGS IN PLACE !!! TIME TO RAISE .

CHEERS BRO Ditact for tagging Ind4Ever ... who ever it is ;)
 
So India has plans to operate at least 6 SSBNs and 8 SSNs by 2030. Thats awesome!!!!
 
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Freaking Awesome and Exciting :tup:

3 Arihant class, 6 new SSBN, 2 Russian SSN and 6 new Indian SSN :woot: ....... That is 17 Nuclear Submarines by India by 2015-30 :D

Quite Literally 1 Nuclear Submarine a year.

Total of 15 subs

4 Arihant class 6000t, s2-s3-s4 and s4+
3 10000t SSBN, s5,s6,s7(assuming their names)
6 6000t SSN, New Design and finally
2 Akulas from russia.

That's 15......+
Diesel electric subs
6 Project 75 +
6 project 75i
Thats a total of 27 new subs in indian navy hopefully by 2030.

Is it enough for IOR?
 
Total of 15 subs

4 Arihant class 6000t, s2-s3-s4 and s4+
3 10000t SSBN, s5,s6,s7(assuming their names)
6 6000t SSN, New Design and finally
2 Akulas from russia.

That's 15......+
Diesel electric subs
6 Project 75 +
6 project 75i
Thats a total of 27 new subs in indian navy hopefully by 2030.

Is it enough for IOR?
P75I aimed at creating 2 new private Submarines supply lines .So 6 more follow on or 6 new indigenous SSK for sure or else these private sector shipyards will tank huge loss. Either way add 6 more.
 
Total of 15 subs

4 Arihant class 6000t, s2-s3-s4 and s4+
3 10000t SSBN, s5,s6,s7(assuming their names)
6 6000t SSN, New Design and finally
2 Akulas from russia.

That's 15......+
Diesel electric subs
6 Project 75 +
6 project 75i
Thats a total of 27 new subs in indian navy hopefully by 2030.

Is it enough for IOR?

I don't think so... around 4-6 of them will be used for the CBG's ... probably we need another 5-7
 
P75I aimed at creating 2 new private Submarines supply lines .So 6 more follow on or 6 new indigenous SSK for sure or else these private sector shipyards will tank huge loss. Either way add 6 more.

Thats fine, but going by the article, Indian navy will operate 15 SSBNs not 12.

I don't think so... around 4-6 of them will be used for the CBG's ... probably we need another 5-7

These are the confirmed numbers not speculating on what can or should be.
 
Thats fine, but going by the article, Indian navy will operate 15 SSBNs not 12.
But it's the first time we came to know about S4* and 3 10000 T SSBN . So let's wait for more acknowledgement from IN or government source.

But for sure sure we will have 3 SSBN and 6 SSN . After the construction of 3 SSBN Arihant . We will start our work on 6 SSN . And after this we will start 3 10000T SSBN . We have 2 supply lines of Arihant . So if thus new got investing on another 2 more supply line then it must be for 3 more bigger SSBN with at least 14000T submerged .

And sure these supply lines won't sit ideal but keep running with next batch of advanced SSNs as by now we might have most credible under water fleet
 
Total of 15 subs

4 Arihant class 6000t, s2-s3-s4 and s4+
3 10000t SSBN, s5,s6,s7(assuming their names)
6 6000t SSN, New Design and finally
2 Akulas from russia.

That's 15......+
Diesel electric subs
6 Project 75 +
6 project 75i
Thats a total of 27 new subs in indian navy hopefully by 2030.

Is it enough for IOR?

From where did you get 3 new SSBN ? i.e. S5,6,7 ? Indian Cabinet has cleared 6 SSBN. This is in addition to the S2,3,4.

That makes it 17.

Finally it says 1 Akula and 1 Kashalot / Uniform class from Russia. Not 2 Akula.

Since Kashalot is made of Titanium, 2.7 billion $ seems like a possible price.
 
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