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The impending USA Economic Collapse which nobody is talking about

Why China purcahse US bonds and will continue to do after US no longer remain world no 1 economy?
Because of the high yield. Do you even know what's the rating of US bonds? It's not based on US economic outlook or who stays on top of the economic tree, it's simply based on trust and a very good record of the US government paying the principal and interest on time. In simple terms, China trust US bonds than any other treasury bonds in the world, hence they buy them.

If China decides to drop the US bonds (which is highly unlikely), the US citizens or any other country would buy these bonds, and it will sell like hot cakes, might as well cause a temporary raise in the value of the bonds. Which again, the reason being trust in Govt of the US.

If demand of US dollar declines due to power of China to trade in currencies other than dollar then what will be the after effects ?
This again. The Chinese entire trade in a year is around $4trillion (both export and import). The USD FX trade a day is $5 trillion.
 
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Because of the high yield. Do you even know what's the rating of US bonds? It's not based on US economic outlook or who stays on top of the economic tree, it's simply based on trust and a very good record of the US government paying the principal and interest on time. In simple terms, China trust US bonds than any other treasury bonds in the world, hence they buy them.

If China decides to drop the US bonds (which is highly unlikely), the US citizens or any other country would buy these bonds, and it will sell like hot cakes, might as well cause a temporary raise in the value of the bonds. Which again, the reason being trust in Govt of the US.


This again. The Chinese entire trade in a year is around $4trillion (both export and import). The USD FX trade a day is $5 trillion.
Answere all the questions first then i will respond to u
 
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Answere all the questions first then i will respond to u
There are no questions that worth replying to. But a bunch of prejudiced questions which revolves around what if's, or what will happen in the next decade or in 50 years. Not very 'accountant' of you.
 
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Global finance and economic 'experts' on PDF predicts on a monthly basis. This thread is one of them. Look at how all the other 'experts' chimed in.
Well you can keep on arguing and your argument will hold on weight or better give some statistics to discuss the topic ...
 
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This sounds quite serious

US Student Loan Debt : $2 Trillion
US Corporate debt : $9 Trillion
US National Debt : $22 trillion

Technically it is massive figure, surprised how unconcerned many US citizens are to these massive figures

  • By now 1 Rupee should have been worth 300 American dollar if markets were not minipulated

The upcoming crash in stock prices on Apple and Boeing are sure to hurt economy further
Boeing of course reeling after the Max planes were grounded and ordered cancelled by many airlines
 
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Well you can keep on arguing and your argument will hold on weight or better give some statistics to discuss the topic ...
Now that I gave the idea some thoughts...

I think the reason why the US have not collapsed is because US policy makers secretly monitors PDF to make use of all the finance and economic 'experts' knowledge and implement measures that will assure our dominance for decades to come. This place is a treasure trove of banking, the economic Oracle of Delphi, and so on and so on...words and hyperboles failed me. :(
 
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Well normally when you run out of cash you borrow cash , so who is donating cash to a nation who are 25 Trillion in debt ?

The whole model feels like a gigantic ponzy scheme

Normally if you go to bank ask for cash they look at your borrowing history and if you have too much debt they don't lend you cash



There are may be 200 countries in world

Country A :
USA has 25 Trillion Debt but , world is Told their Dollar is precious


Country Rank 100-200 :
They are all told devalue your cash vs Dollar and they have few billion dollar debt



Seems like some sort of global slavery game
Because based on this financial model countries who fall in Rank category 100-200 they will always struggle to make their economies grow because they are always paying interest on small debt

If anyone understand this model would be great to learn
 
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This sounds quite serious

US Student Loan Debt : $2 Trillion
US Corporate debt : $9 Trillion
US National Debt : $22 trillion

Here are some more stats

US Mortgage Debt : $13.15 trillion
US Auto Debt : $1.27 trillion
US Credit Card Debt : $8284 per household
 
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This sounds quite serious

US Student Loan Debt : $2 Trillion
US Corporate debt : $9 Trillion
US National Debt : $22 trillion

Technically it is massive figure, surprised how unconcerned many US citizens are to these massive figures

  • By now 1 Rupee should have been worth 300 American dollar if markets were not minipulated

The upcoming crash in stock prices on Apple and Boeing are sure to hurt economy further
Boeing of course reeling after the Max planes were grounded and ordered cancelled by many airlines

Actually the student loan debt isn’t anywhere near as bad as I expected. It averages only $28,650 per borrower which isn’t too bad. I know being in a poor developing county like China $28,000 sounds like a truly gargantuan sum but I had about $20,000 when I graduated back in the late 1980’s and I paid it off after only two years. My first job only paid $27,000/yr but that was enough to cover it. 30 years later $28,000 is not as big a jump as I would expect. These days the average salary of a college graduate is $50,000. They should be in better shape than I was.
 
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If nothing else bankrupts USA, then social security, medicare/medic aid definitely will.

Current Federal Mandatory Spending
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BY KIMBERLY AMADEO

Updated March 14, 2019
Mandatory spending is currently estimated to be $2.841 trillion for FY 2020. The two largest mandatory programs are Social Security and Medicare. That's 60% of all federal spending. It's almost three times more than the military budget.


Congress established mandatory programs under so-called authorization laws. These laws also mandated that Congress must appropriate whatever funds are needed to keep the programs running. The mandatory portion of the U.S. budget estimates how much it will cost to fulfill these authorization laws. These estimates are made by the Office of Management and Budget.


Congress can only reduce the funding for these programs by changing the authorization law itself. That requires a 60-vote majority in the Senate to pass. For example, Congress amended the Social Security Act to create Medicare. For this reason, mandatory programs are outside the annual budget process that governs discretionary spending. Since it is so difficult to change mandatory spending, it is not part of the discretionary fiscal policy.


Social Security

Social Security is the single largest federal budget item. The FY 2020 budget, Table S-4, estimates it will cost $1.102 trillion. The Social Security Act of 1935 guaranteed that workers would receive benefits after they retired. It was funded by payroll taxes that went into a trust fund used to pay out the benefits.


At first, there were more healthy workers paying into the fund than retirees taking benefits. This allowed Social Security to also provide training and funds to the blind and disabled in the Supplemental Security program.


Social Security is funded through payroll taxes. Until 2010, Social Security collected more in tax revenues than it paid out in benefits. That's because for every beneficiary withdrawing from the fund, there were 3.3 younger workers paying into it. Over the years, this created a surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund.

In 2008, the first of 78 million baby boomers turned 62 and became eligible to draw down benefits. Over the next 30 years, there will be fewer and fewer workers per retiree to support Social Security via payroll taxes.


By 2034, the surplus will be depleted. Social Security payroll taxes and interest from the trust fund will only be able to pay 79% of projected benefits. The rest would have to come out of the general fund. The entire shortfall could easily be covered by an extra 2.22% increase in payroll taxes.


Medicare
Medicare will cost $679 billion in FY 2020. It subsidizes health care for those over age 65. Medicare has two sections:


  • The Medicare Part A Hospital Insurance program, which collects enough payroll taxes to pay current benefits.
  • Medicare Part B, the Supplementary Medical Insurance program, and Part D, the new drug benefit. Payroll taxes and premiums cover only 57% of benefits. The remaining 43% is financed from general tax revenues.

That means Medicare contributes to the budget deficit. Rising health care costs means general revenues would have to pay for 62% of Medicare costs by 2030. As with Social Security, the tax base is insufficient to pay for this.

Medicaid

Medicaid costs will be $418 billion in FY 2020. Medicaid provides health care to those with low incomes. It's funded by general revenue from both the federal and state governments. It is administered by the states.


Other Mandatory Programs
All other mandatory programs will cost $642 billion. Most of these are income support programs provide federal assistance for those who can't provide for themselves. One group helps keep low-income families from starving. These include Food Stamps, Child Tax Credits, and Child Nutrition programs.

These are just three of the welfare programs which also include TANF, EITC, and Housing Assistance. Almost all of them are permanent, but there are exceptions. For example, the Food Stamp program requires periodic renewal.


There's also unemployment benefits for those who were laid off. Student Loans help create a more highly skilled workforce. Other retirement and disability programs are for those who were former federal employees. These include civil servants, the Coast Guard, and the military.


In FY 2009, Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act. This was added to the mandatory budget in FY 2010 as the TARP program, and as homeowner assistance in FY 2011. In FY 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law. It phased in new health care benefits and costs that year. It extended coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, children, and those who were laid off.


It also gave subsidies to small businesses and seniors with high prescription drug costs and provided funding to ease the shortage of doctors and nurses. The ACA’s mandatory costs that are offset by higher payroll taxes, fees to prescription drug companies, and lower payments to hospitals.

How Mandatory Spending Affects the U.S. Economy

When so much of the budget goes toward fulfilling mandatory programs, the government has less to spend on discretionary programs. In the long run, the high level of mandatory spending means rigid and unresponsive fiscal policy. This is a long-term drag on economic growth.

Why It Keeps Growing

Congress has a difficult time reducing the benefits entitled under any mandated program. Most consider it political suicide because such cuts guarantee voter opposition by the group receiving fewer benefits. That's one reason mandatory spending continues to grow.


Another reason is the aging of America. As more people require Social Security and Medicare, costs for these two programs will almost double in the next 10 years. At the same time, birth rates are falling. As a result, the elder dependency ratio is worsening.


This contributes to higher health care spending. In addition, technological breakthroughs allow more diseases to be treated. This comes at a higher cost. This is one reason President Obama asked for health care reform.


Many people don't realize that the real benefit of the Affordable Care Act is lower costs. First, it pays for preventive care, treating Medicare and Medicaid recipients before they require expensive emergency room treatment. Second, it rewards doctors based on treatment outcomes, as opposed to paying them for each test and procedure. Third, it's helped move medical records onto an electronic database. That allows patients to take more ownership of their health care. It also gives doctors current data on the most effective treatments.


It's difficult for any elected official in Congress to vote for a reduction in these benefits. Who can vote for cutting off the income of Grandma, the blind or a veteran? In addition, many of these groups now have powerful lobbyists, like AARP, who can sway elections and funding. It's easy, and politically rewarding, to mandate new programs. It’s political suicide to eliminate them.


A good example of this is health care reform. It was passed in 2010 but at a great political cost. Many of the Congressmen who voted for it lost their seat in the mid-term elections to candidates from the Tea Party. This is despite its promise to actually reduce the mandatory budget by cutting health care costs and charging the health care industry more for Medicare and Medicaid.

The Mandatory Budget Dilemma

Demographics means that, at some point, Congress must bite the bullet and amend the laws that created these mandatory programs. By 2025, those over 65 will comprise 20% of the population. As boomers leave the workforce and apply for benefits, four things happen:


  1. The percentage of the labor force under age 55 does not provide enough income via payroll taxes to fund Social Security benefits.
  2. Economic growth slows as government spending becomes almost exclusively focused on paying benefits for these mandated programs.
  • The dollar weakens as investors in Treasury bonds switch to currencies in countries with brighter growth prospects.

Choices for FY 2020 and Beyond

To keep Social Security solvent, Congress must choose from the lesser of three evils. None of them are good for the economy. First, allow more of the budget to go toward Social Security benefits. This would force cuts in defense spending, the largest discretionary budget item. It would also constrain the government's ability to stimulate the economy in a recession.


Second, increase the overall size of the budget. To fund this increased spending, either taxes would have to be raised or the debt further increased. Either would slow economic growth.


Third, decrease the benefit amount paid to retirees. This is the most likely scenario. This would force able-bodied boomers to continue working. It would require an Act of Congress to change the existing law.

Interest on the Debt

Although not officially a part of the mandatory budget, the interest on the national debt is also a mandated expense. For FY 2020, it's projected to be $479 billion. That's almost half of the budget deficit of $1.1 trillion.

https://www.thebalance.com/current-federal-mandatory-spending-3305772
 
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What is US debt to GDP ratio ?
It is important to understand the composition of national debt of a country and whether it is able to fulfill its debt obligations or not. Borrowing is just one of the many forms of debt in the books.

American economy is productive on the whole, and does not need IMF bailouts and/or loans from other countries to sustain itself from time to time, or do you think this is the case? Why not try to understand the composition of American national debt first? Treasury bonds, bro.

Now;

Is a high debt-to-gdp ratio a matter of concern? Not necessarily.

American debt-to-gdp ratio approached 120% mark in 1945 due to Great Depression followed by WW2, but US pulled through.

In contrast, Venezuela's debt-to-gdp ratio is only 23% but it is an utterly dysfunctional economy.

FYI: http://theconversation.com/why-the-...es-what-you-should-worry-about-instead-111805

So?

What are the projections of US economy ?
Long-term projections are not written in stone because they are based on the assumption that the existing laws governing taxes and spending will remained unchanged for indefinite period, but this dynamic is unlikely in practice.

Short-term projections are positive to large extent: https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669

Why China purcahse US bonds and will continue to do after US no longer remain world no 1 economy?
China is an export-driven economy to large extent and its exporters are likely to receive payments in USD from numerous foreign buyers. Therefore, USD-to-Yuan conversion rate is high in China accordingly, and Chinese banks have no choice but to maintain reserves of USD and/or invest in US Treasury bonds for profits? This dynamic makes it possible for China to keep the value of Yuan vis-a-vis USD low and its export base competitive subsequently.

Clear enough, bro?

If demand of US dollar declines due to power of China to trade in currencies other than dollar then what will be the after effects ?
A strong USD is in the best interests of a number of countries including China for multiple reasons, in case you didn't realize.

Strong USD negatively impact American manufacturing base on the whole, and this factor alone is a strong motive for other export-driven economies to maintain the status quo. Americans are understandably frustrated with this dynamic and pushed IMF to declare Yuan as a global reserve currency in 2015 to make sure that its value will appreciate over time but Trump administration's trade war with China had the opposite effect instead. Now, Americans are like OOPS.

Demand of USD is unlikely to go down anytime soon due to its sheer strength and being a profitable investment in US Treasury bonds and/or for currency exchange purposes as well.

Even if numerous countries allow trading to occur in virtually any currency out there, how is this a sound economic policy? Would you want to buy stuff in Iranian rial keeping in view the course of its devaluation over time as a byproduct of American sanctions? It is wise to stick to global reserve currencies for trading activities which are a handful.

And keep in mind that weakening USD will facilitate American manufacturing base actually. Rozi Roti is in the hands of Allah Almighty, janab.

Unless US turn into an utterly unproductive country (unlikely???), it will do well in the long-term in all fronts.

Research answere to abive question and u will get what is actually happening
See above.
 
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This sounds quite serious

US Student Loan Debt : $2 Trillion
US Corporate debt : $9 Trillion
US National Debt : $22 trillion

Technically it is massive figure, surprised how unconcerned many US citizens are to these massive figures

  • By now 1 Rupee should have been worth 300 American dollar if markets were not minipulated

The upcoming crash in stock prices on Apple and Boeing are sure to hurt economy further
Boeing of course reeling after the Max planes were grounded and ordered cancelled by many airlines

you know what the world has come to when citizens of perennial begging bowl have to dole out economic advice to others

I havent check the numbers but thats true that 3 years back china started majir purchasing of gold reserves ...


Bro if u r happy being slave to western dominance and u cant see writing on the top then no one can help u ...

No power in the world has remained as such in history be it greeks'l, persians, muslims, mangols, arabs or turks ...

Bit coin is a test project to remove the technical glitches , it is sure that digital currency will take over but who will drive that is the question ... if u think that west despite all the incompetitive business structure can continue like this forever then i m sorry u r living in a fools paradise ...

Untill and unless some miracle happen like the one happen in 1973 by pegging dollar with oil nothing can save US and western economic and monetary dominance ...

Whether you like it or not the West provides most of the innovations on which the world runs

No one can predict future ... economists can interpret the indicators and the indicators are showing downgrade of US economic might ... this is not just few individuals but ALL of the world leading financial institues are projecting US to be downgraded from world top economy to second and then third with couple of decades ...

Not all but a sizeable economists believe that world economy is living with a big bubble which initially tried to burst in 2001 then in 2008 but US gov bailout the losses of the companies and eventualky delayed the ceisis with the assumption that US economy will self correct itself in long run but slow down is permanent ... US is projected to decline from top economy to third and hence power of US to dominate world financial and currency will diminish significantly ...

It is matter of time, might took a decade or two or financial markets could crash tomorrow ... bottlmline is the economic and financial matters are depicting the picture similar to one we had in 2008 ...



What is US debt to GDP ratio ? What are the projections of US economy ? Why China purcahse US bonds and will continue to do after US no longer remain world no 1 economy? If demand of US dollar declines due to power of China to trade in currencies other than dollar then what will be the after effects ?

Research answere to abive question and u will get what is actually happening

Let us assume USA collapses similar to 2008. What is going to happen to China ? What is going to happen to Europe ? What is going to happen to oil prices ?? With exception of North Korea and Myanmar most countries will feel the impact.

the last time I checked 1/3 of Pakistan exports goes to USA and EU. Pakistan earns another 40% from oil-rich exporters in the Middle East. In another words Pakistani economy take a licking.
 
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