The Foreign Minister Affirms that Indonesia Has No Intention to Open Relationships with Israel

[Muhammed45]

It does make a different on the ground reality. If we dont recognize Israel, it means more pressure to Israel and if we recognize Israel, it means Israel position is getting stronger on this conflict. Recognizing Israel, particularly among Muslim nations, will make peace process become less likely to happen.

This is why a narrative saying that recognizing Israel will increase peace process likelihood is actually bulshit. Conflicting parties will only get into negotiation table if they are similar in strength. While in Palestinian-Israel conflict, Israel is already in much superior position militarily and economically over Palestinian.

That's a great gesture from Indonesia to not recognize Israel and much appreciated.

We as 2 persons from 2 different Islamic countries have an slight difference sir. You believe in peace process whatsoever with Israel but i don't. Israeli existence is something that defies everything Islamic from holy Quran to every thing that is considered as bases of Islam as a religion.

That being said, i have no plan in my mind for the peace process. At its worst, Jews can live there but under Palestinian flag. As Palestinian Jews, other Wise every other Solution including peace process introduces Muslims the weak idiots on this Planet that any and every power can grab a part of their lands and then hope for peace process. That id consider an insult to bases of Islam.

Moreover the weaknesses of Palestinian that you pointed out, is a problem that all the Islamic countries have a share in that misery. It dates back to Ottoman collapse and the artificial states such as Jordan whose sole job is making security belt for Israel. It was what British Kingdom planned and executed. Even the Current borders were drawn by them. Nevertheless Muslims are responsible for miseries of Palestinians. At least, Iran despite being sorrounded by American dogs in the region armed Palestinian Groups. So my suggestion would be to arm every Palestinian soul in order to fight to retake their homeland.

For comparison between your plan of peace process and mine, consider West bank and Gaza and please Compare them fairly. Gazans are thanks to Hezbollah armed to teeth. Whenever Israel decided to occupy parts of their lands, Islamic Jihad and Hamas gave them a bloody nose. On the other hand you have West bank under that traitor Abbas working under the context of peace process with Israelis and you can see Israelis Continue to occupying West bank inch by inch demolishing Palestinian houses for more settlements.

 

[Indos]

That's a great gesture from Indonesia to not recognize Israel and much appreciated.

We as 2 persons from 2 different Islamic countries have an slight difference sir. You believe in peace process whatsoever with Israel but i don't. Israeli existence is something that defies everything Islamic from holy Quran to every thing that is considered as bases of Islam as a religion.

That being said, i have no plan in my mind for the peace process. At its worst, Jews can live there but under Palestinian flag. As Palestinian Jews, other Wise every other Solution including peace process introduces Muslims the weak idiots on this Planet that any and every power can grab a part of their lands and then hope for peace process. That id consider an insult to bases of Islam.

Moreover the weaknesses of Palestinian that you pointed out, is a problem that all the Islamic countries have a share in that misery. It dates back to Ottoman collapse and the artificial states such as Jordan whose sole job is making security belt for Israel. It was what British Kingdom planned and executed. Even the Current borders were drawn by them. Nevertheless Muslims are responsible for miseries of Palestinians. At least, Iran despite being sorrounded by American dogs in the region armed Palestinian Groups. So my suggestion would be to arm every Palestinian soul in order to fight to retake their homeland.

For comparison between your plan of peace process and mine, consider West bank and Gaza and please Compare them fairly. Gazans are thanks to Hezbollah armed to teeth. Whenever Israel decided to occupy parts of their lands, Islamic Jihad and Hamas gave them a bloody nose. On the other hand you have West bank under that traitor Abbas working under the context of peace process with Israelis and you can see Israelis Continue to occupying West bank inch by inch demolishing Palestinian houses for more settlements.

West Bank continue getting occupied since it has many land while Gaza is already over populated. Look, Hisbullah and Hamas military respond only bring misery to Palestinian and Lebanese civilian. I think you know the verses in Torah said about genocide right ?

"Now go and strike Amalek and completely destroy everything that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

1 Samuel 15:3 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

I think we have to have a mercy, just bring back Jerusalem, Gaza, and West Bank and they can have their own country with Tel Aviv as the capital.

In order to bring weight to Palestinian side, Muslim must unite, no backstabbing between us. First is to create peace in middle east and promote democratic process. Yemen conflict for instant can be solved if all parties believe in democracy and solve the dispute through ballads rather than bullets. And Iran instead of arming Houtis, better to push Houties to accept democracy as a system to solve dispute and differences in Yemen.

 

[Muhammed45]

West Bank continue getting occupied since it has many land while Gaza is already over populated.

What did i just read?
You don't need to say such things only to prove your point. I respect your ideas sir. Please don't insult my intelligence by these kind of excuses.

Look, Hisbullah and Hamas military respond only bring misery to Palestinian and Lebanese civilian. I think you know the

Let's make a wrong assumption, i have gunned down half of your family and destroyed every infrastructures of your house which could help you to fight back and i have conquered half of your house and still occuoying it inch by inch. Now please Read what you just wrote. By that logic you wouldn't pick a fight when i invade your house. Its be a misery to fight back.

I think we have to have a mercy, just bring back Jerusalem, Gaza, and West Bank and they can have their own country with Tel Aviv as the capital.

No sir, no way. Islam is not a hesitant in doubt religion. Quran wants us to fight back and kill every invading force.

In order to bring weight to Palestinian side, Muslim must unite, no backstabbing between us. First is to create peace in middle east and promote democratic process. Yemen for instant can be solved if all parties believe in democracy and solve the dispute through ballads rather than bullets. And Iran instead of arming Houtis, better to push Houties to accept democracy as a system to solve dispute and difference is Yemen

I agree with peace, first Sauds have to stop bombing the hell out of Yemen. Thatd be a peaceful gesture.

 

[Indos]

well you would better than I. Wonder why Indonesia is not among the nations listed as not recognizing the Israeli passport. I used wikipedia and double checked it with another site (was the telegraph paper of the UK). Makes no difference to those Israelis they always have multiple passports. Guess they really have no loyalties.

All of this doesnt make us discriminate our small Jews community inside the country. They can still make organization based on their religion. This is the founder of one Jew organization in Indonesia.

And this is in relation to Israel regime.

Benjamin Netanyahu took two-hour flight detour to avoid Indonesian airspace

Israeli prime minister’s El Al flight from Singapore to Sydney took more than 11 hours rather than the usual eight and a half

www.theguardian.com

 

[KurtisBrian]

All of this doesnt make us discriminate our small Jews community inside the country. They can still make organization based on their religion. This is the founder of one Jew organization in Indonesia.

And this is in relation to Israel regime.

Benjamin Netanyahu took two-hour flight detour to avoid Indonesian airspace

Israeli prime minister’s El Al flight from Singapore to Sydney took more than 11 hours rather than the usual eight and a half

www.theguardian.com

never said it did. I wasn't attacking your nation. I was just making an observation that I believed there must be some sort of diplomatic relations between the nations.
btw I am not concerned about what people do with these modern supposed "Jews". These modern supposed "Jews" seem very capable of taking care of themselves. Not much like a race of people who were enslaved, hey?