The F-16: Then and Now

[GURU DUTT]

Some history lessons for the weekend warriors....In December 1971, Five of the 25 Squadrons deployed by the IAF in west were MiG-21s while another three were operational in the Eastern sector....The IAF completed some 4000 sorties in the Western sector compared to 2840 for the PAF.... an airforce some three time size of the PAF....only did marginally better in the sortie rate.....the Jordanian F-104s arrived in the closing days of the war and played little or no part in the conflict.....despite making tall claims about shooting down 9 F-104s, the IAF could only show wrecks of one or two Starfighters in natural metal finish, where as Jordanian machines were in dessert camouflage.

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well jammer bhiyye its all about proorities for pakistan they have only warfare as top prioroties for india its economy hence we spend and invest money difrenetly (less than 2.3% of GDP on defence that incluedes salaries and penssions and forien aquasitions)

Look, I don't intend to demean you in any way, but you have displayed an utter lack of understanding regarding aerial warfare. So you are not impressing anyone about IAF's prowess. What I am trying to say is there are better people to talk about IAF's capabilities and maybe you should leave this matter up to them.

kidd i know defnce and warfare and even your nations defnce better than what you know about your own nation

so lets not go there you are nobody to demean me

ariel warfare is won and lost when you totally overpower your enemy and produce some results and get ariel superiorty over your enemy but pakistan could never have had that niether in 1965 nor in 1971 or 1999 hence it could not make IAF or IN or IA worthless and get kashmir or did it

so what is the might of PAF then of any use to pakistan in 1965

 

[Alphacharlie]

2840 Sorties Vs 4000 Sorties or 71%

Doing 4000 Sorties or with avg of 7.14 Sorties (Trainers excluded as per rule book) for a 35 FSQ Airforce in a 14 Day war

Doing 2840 Sorties or with avg of 9.10 Sorties for a 19.5 FSQ Airforce in a 14 Day war. Certainly Turn around rate is Better, Still You could not provide CAP, DEAD Role for PN and Pak Army and loosing Hand-some territory.
with above Logic IN Corvettes should have been blasted to splinter for attacking Karachi or Longewala should have never happened !!

This also means 1160 IAF Sorties Went Un-Challanged by PAF in 1971.

A True Flyer would have compared ---What is avg. Standing rate/Sqn ?

 

[CriticalThought]

well jammer bhiyye its all about proorities for pakistan they have only warfare as top prioroties for india its economy hence we spend and invest money difrenetly (less than 2.3% of GDP on defence that incluedes salaries and penssions and forien aquasitions)


kidd i know defnce and warfare and even your nations defnce better than what you know about your own nation

so lets not go there you are nobody to demeane me

ariel warfare is won and lost when you totally overpower your enemy and produce some results and get ariel superiorty over your enemy but pakistan could never have had that niether in 1965 nor in 1971 or 1999 hence it could not make IAF or IN or IA worthless and get kashmir or did it

so what is the might of PAF then of any use to pakistan in 1965 kiddo

Look, I have been talking pretty decently with you. So show some decency and stop using terms like 'kiddo' in your sentences. Also, those smilies are unprofessional and only serve to weaken your argument. Finally, you aren't even presenting any argument. Anyway, continue on, the mods will get to you in due time. No need to reply to my post.

 

[MastanKhan]

Some history lessons for the weekend warriors....In December 1971, Five of the 25 Squadrons deployed by the IAF in west were MiG-21s while another three were operational in the Eastern sector....The IAF completed some 4000 sorties in the Western sector compared to 2840 for the PAF.... an airforce some three time size of the PAF....only did marginally better in the sortie rate.....the Jordanian F-104s arrived in the closing days of the war and played little or no part in the conflict.....despite making tall claims about shooting down 9 F-104s, the IAF could only show wrecks of one or two Starfighters in natural metal finish, where as Jordanian machines were in dessert camouflage.

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Hi,

Just to assume that the enemy would stay stupid and incompetent forever is a terrible thing to do---.

 

[salarsikander]

forget every thing kids this in niether 1965 nor its 1980s and nor will PAF ever evr will get anything from USA with regards to Latest weapons or air fighting technology but same is opposite in Indias case and not just from USA but from France , Germany , Japan , Israel and russia also and there is nothing Pakistani Patriots can do about it

now the latest Blk is F17 70/72 which we have already made a deal with USA & TATA and getting some 8-12 full squads but still SAAB trying to sabotage it

as for the latest F16 Blk 70/72 it got latest gen turbofan with next gen low but wider landing gear with new gen digital controls and all avionics and minutrised and combined GaN AESA based EW+ECM+Internal Jamers suits & GaN AESA based radar all controlled by a 100-150 TERRABYTE DATABUS with a F-35 inspired next gen HOBS asisted by multiple ISRT's and JHMCS & HMD and internal sniper pod and a pair of composite CFT with inbuilt IFR probe

and if that was not enough all kinds of israeli air to air and air to ground weapons(PYTHON 5, DERBY, I DERBY ER, Popey ALCM & SPIKE ) in indian air force innoventorry are already compatiable with F16 and like plu & play with it abd we are reehearsing with singaporeans & israelies for almost more than a decade on F16s (SUFA & Blk52)

Post reported for being off topic and irrleveant.

The thread is about Pakistani f16 then and now, but Indians suffering from inferiority complex( as always) have hijacked are cheat thumping. Therefore I request mods to make necessary clean ups please.
@waz @Jango @Irfan Baloch @Emmie

 

[Avijit]

The best thing PAF had in 1971 was a single squadron of assorted Mirage-III types compared to ten squadrons of MiG-21s fielded by the IAF.....majority of PAF fleet consisted of Korean era F-86 Sabres....

I mistakenly put '71. It was only '65 when PAF saw any kind of success.

 

[Windjammer]

Armed with massive Mk-84 Bombs, a No.9 Squadron Viper is being launched for strike against militants.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[CriticalThought]

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OMG!!!! Somebody explain this pic plz. Block 50 being refueled carrying a ??????????? MONSTER!!!!! What is that thing?

@Knuckles

EDIT: OK so the Viper itself isn't carrying anything but it's maneuvered itself right up close and personal with a beast of an aircraft carrying a beast of a weapon. Is this a Photoshop?

 

[Raider 21]

Armed with massive Mk-84 Bombs, a No.9 Squadron Viper is being launched for strike against militants.

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Or launching out for an A/G mission at the firing range. Standard procedure is to have A/A missiles when aircraft head out on missions.