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When Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe appeals to officials and business people in Central and South America this week, his hosts will be comparing him to another recent visitor: Chinese president Xi Jinping.


Xi wrapped up a nine-day visit to the region last week, and now Abe is making his own nine-day tour, seeking energy deals, markets for its consumer goods—and perhaps most importantly—geopolitical allies. That makes Latin America the latest soft power and economic battleground for China and Japan, trade partners who are also locked in a bitter and long-running rivalry. (Other regions in play include Central Asia, Africa, and Southeast Asia.)


So far, Abe has struck deals between Mexico’s state oil firm Pemex and Japan’s development bank, as well as the Japan Oil, Gas, and Metals National Corporation. He is now headed to Trinidad and Tobago where he’ll likely lobby on behalf of his country’s bid for a rotating seat on the United Nations Security Council, which Beijing vociferously opposes.


As Quartz has pointed out, few Latin American countries are eager to choose between the world’s second and third largest economies. But even if they did, one could argue that the two sides are pretty evenly matched.


The government in Tokyo lacks the raw investment and trade volume that Beijing can offer (China is the largest trading partner of Brazil, Peru, and Chile) but it also doesn’t have to carry the same negative baggage that China has accumulated after years of exporting cheap goods to the region. “While we’re all happy with one side of the story—enjoying the high price for our commodity exports—the economic impact on the currency and manufacturers can be very negative,” Colombian finance minister Mauricio Cárdenas told Bloomberg last year. Though majorities in several Latin American countries view China favorably, opinions toward the country have declined in Brazil and Argentina since 2011 and remain low in Colombia, according to recent surveys by Pew Research (pdf, p.29).


While Chinese exporters compete with local manufacturers for low-margin goods, Japan is targeting Latin American consumers with branded goods that are less seen as direct competitors, from probiotics drinks and instant noodles to Toyota, Honda, and Nissan cars. Japan’s close ties with the United States and its participation in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which includes Mexico, Peru, and Chile, could also give it an edge. Cultural ties are important too. Some 1.78 million ethnic Japanese also live in Central and South America in areas like Liberdade, a district in Sao Paolo that has the world’s largest Japanese community outside of Japan.


While Xi’s trip was largely focused on business deals—other than a trip to China’s old ideological ally, Fidel Castro—Abe looks set to score some diplomatic points, according to his advance itinerary. Brazil is expected to sign a joint statement with Japan on the two countries’ mutual respect for rule of law and the importance of free and safe navigation in international airspace and the high seas—a statement aimed at Beijing’s actions in the East and South China Seas. Colombia is expected to sign a similar statement.


The diplomatic battle between China and Japan is taking a Latin American road trip – Quartz
 
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I'm always amazed to see how Japan is weak diplomatically compared to its economy/population size. They give aid...receivers just say thx and bye...maybe Abe want to change that...
 
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I'm always amazed to see how Japan is weak diplomatically compared to its economy/population size. They give aid...receivers just say thx and bye...maybe Abe want to change that...

You are perfectly right about this. Me as well I have always been surprised to see Japan being a diplomatic dwarf despite it large economy/size(its bigger than germany, France and britain in size economically, but all the three countries are wayyyy way ahead of Japan in diplomacy and influence in the world).
Japan cant even match Germany or France influence/diplomatic weight forget about China.

However I also tend to understand the reason for this. Japan is still all but a U.S puppet (or should I say subordinate), and Japan is also limited to act worldwide by the U.S since it cant have an independent foreign policy or go against its patron the U.S. If you look at the Ukraine crisis you will see what I mean. This is also one reason why no country takes japan seriously since they dont bring anything more than the U.S/west. They are basically just acting as a foreign arm of the U.S so most countries dont see what they can bring/provide them with that the west/U.S or Russia/China won't provide.
So Japan is in a dilemma, it cant really afford to go against the U.S no matter how hard it tries, short of a revolution I di t see that ever happening. So it will be difficult for Japan to ever match its current economic size with its influence/diplomacy. Making things even worse is that as China becomes more and more powerful/bigger with each passing year expect it to get even worse for Japan.
It unfortunate since I would love to see japan be among the most infleuncial countries in the world today and be more involve in world affairs/crisis according to its size, giving japan peaceful record since the end of world war II it should even be giving a seat in permanent security council (though I know this will never happen giving Japan war crimes argument with China and south korea). Its a shame to see such a big country punching way below its weight(contrary to even my country).:-(
 
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You are perfectly right about this. Me as well I have always been surprised to see Japan being a diplomatic dwarf despite it large economy/size(its bigger than germany, France and britain in size economically, but all the three countries are wayyyy way ahead of Japan in diplomacy and influence in the world).
Japan cant even match Germany or France influence/diplomatic weight forget about China.

However I also tend to understand the reason for this. Japan is still all but a U.S puppet (or should I say subordinate), and Japan is also limited to act worldwide by the U.S since it cant have an independent foreign policy or go against its patron the U.S. If you look at the Ukraine crisis you will see what I mean. This is also one reason why no country takes japan seriously since they dont bring anything more than the U.S/west. They are basically just acting as a foreign arm of the U.S so most countries dont see what they can bring/provide them with that the west/U.S or Russia/China won't provide.
So Japan is in a dilemma, it cant really afford to go against the U.S no matter how hard it tries, short of a revolution I di t see that ever happening. So it will be difficult for Japan to ever match its current economic size with its influence/diplomacy. Making things even worse is that as China becomes more and more powerful/bigger with each passing year expect it to get even worse for Japan.
It unfortunate since I would love to see japan be among the most infleuncial countries in the world today and be more involve in world affairs/crisis according to its size, giving japan peaceful record since the end of world war II it should even be giving a seat in permanent security council (though I know this will never happen giving Japan war crimes argument with China and south korea). Its a shame to see such a big country punching way below its weight(contrary to even my country).:-(
God helps them if they help themselves. In my opinion, Yukio Hatoyama is the last change for Japan to be independent, but the Japaneses thought him as an ET.
 
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Yeah, no.
巴西回应“制衡中国”传闻 巴方不愿卷入中日纷争_国际新闻_环球网

"巴西外交部长新闻秘书鲁本斯28日告诉《环球时报》记者,关于安倍访问巴西期间发表声明的内容不应向外界透露。他表示,日巴将就双边问题发表声明,涉及中国及中日领海争端的可能性不大。"

"Brazilian Press Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs Rubens told Global Times reporters on the 28th, Abe's statements during his visit to Brazil should not be released to the outside world (without confirmation of the other countries). He said that on the Japan-Brazil bilateral statements is unlikely to involve China and the Sino-Japanese territorial dispute."

Basically, what Abe and co did was what they have done several times in the past----putting words in other countries' mouth through liberal amount of imagination and without the other countries' consent and confirmation.
 
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You are perfectly right about this. Me as well I have always been surprised to see Japan being a diplomatic dwarf despite it large economy/size(its bigger than germany, France and britain in size economically, but all the three countries are wayyyy way ahead of Japan in diplomacy and influence in the world).
Japan cant even match Germany or France influence/diplomatic weight forget about China.

However I also tend to understand the reason for this. Japan is still all but a U.S puppet (or should I say subordinate), and Japan is also limited to act worldwide by the U.S since it cant have an independent foreign policy or go against its patron the U.S. If you look at the Ukraine crisis you will see what I mean. This is also one reason why no country takes japan seriously since they dont bring anything more than the U.S/west. They are basically just acting as a foreign arm of the U.S so most countries dont see what they can bring/provide them with that the west/U.S or Russia/China won't provide.
So Japan is in a dilemma, it cant really afford to go against the U.S no matter how hard it tries, short of a revolution I di t see that ever happening. So it will be difficult for Japan to ever match its current economic size with its influence/diplomacy. Making things even worse is that as China becomes more and more powerful/bigger with each passing year expect it to get even worse for Japan.
It unfortunate since I would love to see japan be among the most infleuncial countries in the world today and be more involve in world affairs/crisis according to its size, giving japan peaceful record since the end of world war II it should even be giving a seat in permanent security council (though I know this will never happen giving Japan war crimes argument with China and south korea). Its a shame to see such a big country punching way below its weight(contrary to even my country).:-(

The same goes for Germany, Italy, and Japan. All the defeated powers of WWII. Mike, i suggest you have a more broadened understanding of how history has shaped current policy. In addition, coming from the UK, you verily well understand in aiding the United States , which shares the same geopolicy. Let's be real, my friend.

Basically, what Abe and co did was what they have done several times in the past----putting words in other countries' mouth through liberal amount of imagination and without the other countries' consent and confirmation.

Abe never said anything of the like, western media is what portrays that. lol.
You're insipid prattling is astounding.
 
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I'm always amazed to see how Japan is weak diplomatically compared to its economy/population size. They give aid...receivers just say thx and bye...maybe Abe want to change that...

He wants a closer and more dynamic trade relationship with South America. That is irregardless of their views of China.

In the end, the Latin Americans benefit from our investment(s) there. And we also benefit from our resource trade.

Japan identifies with South America because of their cheap labor , and potential large market.

Its a mutually beneficial relationship.
 
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The same goes for Germany, Italy, and Japan. All the defeated powers of WWII. Mike, i suggest you have a more broadened understanding of how history has shaped current policy. In addition, coming from the UK, you verily well understand in aiding the United States , which shares the same geopolicy. Let's be real, my friend.



Abe never said anything of the like, western media is what portrays that. lol.
You're insipid prattling is astounding.

The news article in the opening link is putting words in Brazilian government's mouth. In fact, its gross misrepresentation is so far off from Brazilian government's stance that their press secretary issued a direct refutation a day after Japan's new release. Yes, Japan's release, the original source of this news comes from Kyodo News, a Japanese media.

Please, this is far from the first time Japan resorted to faking other country's opinion just to salvage a bit pride. You and I both know why you linked the opening article and my post is aimed at refuting the statement before the circus gets too excited.

Also, I will just this bit in. Peru and Chiliean government issued similar refutations just like the Brazilian government.
 
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The new article in the opening link is putting words in Brazilian government's mouth. In fact, its gross misrepresentation is so far off from Brazilian government's stance that their press secretary issued a direct refutation a day after Japan's new release. Yes, Japan's release, the original source of this news comes from Kyodo News, a Japanese media.

Please, this is far from the first time Japan resorted to faking other country's opinion just to salvage a bit pride. You and I both know why you linked the opening article and my post is aimed at refuting the statement before the circus gets too excited.

Also, I will just this bit in. Peru and Chiliean government issued similar refutations just like the Brazilian government.

Brazil a BRICS nation, one that is heavily involved with China will throw China under the bus for Japan. Yea that sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Also one more fun note, Quartz is such a hilarious news that they would quote opinion pieces as facts.
 
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Brazil a BRICS nation, one that is heavily involved with China will throw China under the bus for Japan. Yea that sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Also one more fun note, Quartz is such a hilarious news that they would quote opinion pieces as facts.

I always believes that people are entitled to their own opinions, but I draw the line at people taking others for idiots. No matter how you look at, the opening article is plain ridicules. South American nations will throw away their biggest partner in trade and technological cooperation, one that never demanded any sort of political attachment and never interfered in their internal affair solely for Japan's benefit? Like I said in my first post, it require liberal amount of imagination and self-delusion to swallow that one.
 
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The news article in the opening link is putting words in Brazilian government's mouth. In fact, its gross misrepresentation is so far off from Brazilian government's stance that their press secretary issued a direct refutation a day after Japan's new release. Yes, Japan's release, the original source of this news comes from Kyodo News, a Japanese media.

Please, this is far from the first time Japan resorted to faking other country's opinion just to salvage a bit pride. You and I both know why you linked the opening article and my post is aimed at refuting the statement before the circus gets too excited.

Also, I will just this bit in. Peru and Chiliean government issued similar refutations just like the Brazilian government.

My dear, I'm not going to argue with you about the premise of the author of the article. Nor will I waste my time in useless semantics. Readers are entitled to their own subjectivity. But let me address a rhetorical question: "What does South America have to lose in Japanese and Chinese investment concours?

Vouchsafe me to say that they (S. Americans) benefit the most.
 
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Brazil a BRICS nation, one that is heavily involved with China will throw China under the bus for Japan. Yea that sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Also one more fun note, Quartz is such a hilarious news that they would quote opinion pieces as facts.

Where did the article say that they will "throw China under the bus for Japan" ? Or is that your melodramatic impression? Brazil, which recently agreed to oil and energy deals with Japan, is interested in their own interests. You see, my dear, they benefit from dual investment(s) from Japan and China.

Claro que intiende , mi amigo ?
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My dear, I'm not going to argue with you about the premise of the author of the article. Nor will I waste my time in useless semantics. Readers are entitled to their own subjectivity. But let me address a rhetorical question: "What does South America have to lose in Japanese and Chinese investment concours?

Vouchsafe me to say that they (S. Americans) benefit the most.

Well, considering your opening article blatantly states that "Abe looks set to score some diplomatic points, according to his advance itinerary. Brazil is expected to sign a joint statement with Japan on the two countries’ mutual respect for rule of law and the importance of free and safe navigation in international airspace and the high seas—a statement aimed at Beijing’s actions in the East and South China Seas. Colombia is expected to sign a similar statement." You tell me what South America stands to lose and why South American governments shot down your article after only a day. You are the one that brought the premise of the author into this discussion, and now you are saying you are not going to argue because what you have stated is plain false?
 
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Kanpai!

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Well, considering your opening article blatantly states that "Abe looks set to score some diplomatic points, according to his advance itinerary. Brazil is expected to sign a joint statement with Japan on the two countries’ mutual respect for rule of law and the importance of free and safe navigation in international airspace and the high seas—a statement aimed at Beijing’s actions in the East and South China Seas. Colombia is expected to sign a similar statement." You tell me what South America stands to lose and why South American governments shot down your article after only a day. You are the one that brought the premise of the author into this discussion, and now you are saying you are not going to argue because what you have stated is plain false?

The article was written by Ms. Lily Kuo, not I. As I said in my prior post, readers (referring to you and others) are entitled to their own subjective interpretation.

You tell me what South America stands to lose and why South American governments

Absolutely nothing. Latin American countries that are signing investment deals with Japan , as per Abe Shinzo's tour, will receive our patronage. At the same time, we have signed plethora of contracts on business outsourcing, and energy acquisition. They will benefit.

And so will Japan, of course. :-)
 
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