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The Chinese Offensive power: How India counters

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The Chinese are way advanced in both conventional and unconventional warfare as compared to India, although India gets strategic advantage by geographic positions with American and Asian-Pacific support. Even if Chinese flex their naval and air power, India has to use all her resources to stop the Chinese. This would mean that Indian forces have to take defensive measures instead of offensive attacks across the borders. Both China and India have adopted the NO-First use policy and hence we cannot use ballistic missiles as launching an AGNI missile would be considered as a nuclear capable missile. To counter China, Indian forces need to prepare a fully unconventional warfare as China has enough firepower to defeat India using their unconventional weapons.

India gets geographic advantage from all sides, from Kashmir to Arunachal, and an expansive shoreline, also it's clear that Chinese usage of ground units could be limited because of logistical support. Mountainous terrain in the north can be accessed by helicopters only to provide soldiers with logistics support, both on the Indian and Chinese sides. A stand-off between India and China in 2013 at Doulat Beg Oldie threw open many questions, where both the Chinese and Indians got supply by only Helicopter. Indian Ground based AAA and MANPAD systems can effectively counter the Chinese supply line, the same can be done from Chinese side too. It is clear that China would not try a ground offensive attack.

As already predicted, the next Indo-Chinese war would take place only in the air and sea. Both countries have been extensively modernizing their fleet. Currently, the Chinese can easily outnumber and outgun the Indian Navy in the Bay of Bengal. Hence it is imperative that India ought to attack the Chinese fleet before they enter the Bay of Bengal. If China is to use the narrow Straight of Malacca to enter the Bay of Bengal, India has a better strike capability.




Chinese ships can come through Indonesia, albeit, Indonesians are not in good relations with the Chinese. It is not expected of Indonesians to go on an offensive with Chinese forces as they will be vastly outnumbered. India can support the Indonesian forces, where the war will shift focus from Straight of Malacca to far South China Sea, where Chinese forces will be at an advantage. However, India can use the Nicobar Command to counter the Chinese with their fighter jets and fast attack crafts to ambush the Chinese fleet.

Meantime, India can seek help from the Americans, from their super carriers; one or two Carrier Strike Group comprised by some 40 US ships, can help India to manage the blockade and ambush for several days or sinking entire Chinese naval ships. Chinese will be irked by US involvement. Even if China tries to attack the US allies in Pacific, they will pay a hefty price for that, since South Koreans and Japanese can counter attack the Chinese forces. Both the South Korean and Japanese forces are more powerful and have battle experience. It doubtful that China could use its forces to attack Pacific nations and India too should not expect the Pacific nations to attack the Chinese first.

India can withstand a war even without US battle groups. That won't last for many days, so need of the US support is a must. USA may not offer Indian forces support because of cold war and communism allies. China can always replenish their ammunition from Russia in many fronts. The war can happen in the Europe too, if India seeks help openly. US intervention forces the Russians to help the Chinese. If India wins a war against China with help from USA, Indo American relations will get stronger, and that will certainly affect Russian Interests in India.

A quite interesting fact, Chinese and Indian warship ratio is 10:3
Life of Soldiers: The Chinese Offensive power: How India counters
 
India is not going into any war before 2030. After 2030 we don't need anybody's help to beat China.

So basically they, like the Indian Army, accept that China is vastly more powerful in pretty much every area.

Yet somehow India still wins? LOL. :lol:

Anyway it was a fun read.
India has more war experience than Chinese. That's fact right now China beats India in number but on ground results could be different. War is not a number game , it is a strategic game.
 
India is not going into any war before 2030. After 2030 we don't need anybody's help to beat China.
by 2030 china will be a democracy and we dont have to fight each other.
Chinese people are hardworking.ordinay people have no ill feelings for India,its the CCP and their troll team in PDF that has the problem.
 
by 2030 china will be a democracy and we dont have to fight each other.
Chinese people are hardworking.ordinay people have no ill feelings for India,its the CCP and their troll team in PDF that has the problem.

LOL, in my opinion it's actually the other way around.

Chinese people in general have a more hard-line nationalistic approach than the government. Just go to any Chinese person on the street and ask them for their opinions about Diaoyu islands or about Taiwan.

If anything, the government is holding it back.

As for Democracy stopping wars, didn't America launch 3 wars in the past decade alone? Whereas China hasn't had a war for over three decades.

If China becomes a democracy, it is likely we will take a more American-like approach to war. And no government lasts forever, so you may see it yourself one day.
 
by 2030 china will be a democracy and we dont have to fight each other.
Chinese people are hardworking.ordinay people have no ill feelings for India,its the CCP and their troll team in PDF that has the problem.
Chinese ordinary people are very susceptible to "Han nationalism", which is suspected to be problem for ethnic clashes in Tibet and Xinjaing.

Nationalism is Limiting Central Government Options --------------------------------------------- -----

¶8. (C) Japanese Ambassador Miyamoto said that a Chinese friend with PLA contacts had expressed worry about rising Han nationalism. He further noted that the response to the problems in Tibet has been "old-school propaganda," which has misled the Chinese public and increased their agitation. This agitation, coupled with the increase in nationalism, is limiting the options of the Chinese Government. Of course, he added, public calls for dialogue with the Dalai Lama from foreign leaders only make such dialogue more difficult to initiate by Chinese leaders. French DCM Chapuis added that there is increased pressure for a tough response in Tibet from the Chinese public, while the international community is calling for restraint. Foreigners have also had to bear the brunt of a hostile Chinese public, according to Chapuis. Following the Paris leg of the Olympic Torch Run, the French Embassy has been receiving 50 threatening or angry phone calls a day; the French Consulate in Chengdu has been receiving upwards of 100 similar phone calls a day from Chinese citizens.

Cablegate's cables: Full-text search for "han-nationalism"

And Chinese Govt seems to encourage sense of racial superiority over Indians by allowing articles like these

Indians inferior; Modi must not visit Arunachal: Chinese media article

Although normal Chinese citizens may not have specific hatred for India, but to sway their opinion by CCP is very easy.
 
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LOL, in my opinion it's actually the other way around.

Chinese people in general have a more hard-line nationalistic approach than the government. Just go to any Chinese person on the street and ask them for their opinions about Diaoyu islands or about Taiwan.

If anything, the government is holding it back.

As for Democracy stopping wars, didn't America launch 3 wars in the past decade alone? Whereas China hasn't had a war for over three decades.

If China becomes a democracy, it is likely we will take a more American-like approach to war. And no government lasts forever, so you may see it yourself one day.
Now there are some many democracys ,why compare with US,when you know china or for that matter anyone else is in a postion to project its power half way around the world.

Regarding ordinary people of china,there is no way to verify what you are saying,like me saying you can talk to the same people in private and they tell you otherwise.
 
Another gem of a article.
The last point proved how illogical the writer was.
10:3 :woot::cheesy:
 
any serious war between China and India is probably going to involve Pakistan, with the plains of Punjab being used for a ( possibly combined Pak-China) mechinized thrust instead of the mountainous Indo-China border where the war will be more attritional in nature, perhaps this is why India is so on edge regarding the massive logistic and transport improvement between China and Pakistan
 
So basically they, like the Indian Army, accept that China is vastly more powerful in pretty much every area.

Yet somehow India still wins? LOL. :lol:

Anyway it was a fun read.

Kids typing in random words and that becomes strategy. Stupid article. Good for a laugh of two though.
 

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