“ The Bared sword upon the neck of the Blasphemer of Rasool Allah”: Defending Article 295-C

[Pakistani E]

I have posted the original text of Bukhari (in Arabic) with reference. The Hadith clearly mentions that Holy Prophet PBUH ordered becuase he used to hurt the Apostle of ALLAH.


In order to say that he was never retaliated for personal insults, you need to come up with the proves from Sunnah and elderly scholar books. And the words of Hadith are crystal clear. The Prophet PBUH mentioned that Ka'ab has caused hurting sentiments which may include both the personal insults as well as his treacherous nature and alliance with the enemies.



The Holy Quran clearly condemns those who annoy ALLAH and his Prophet PBUH in strongest terms. It is mentioned in Surah Al Ahzab: verse 57.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَابًا مُهِينًا

Translation:

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. Quran 33:57

Here, it is clearly mentioned that ALLAH curse those who commit such kind of act in both lives of the perpetrators and ALLAH has prepared punishment for them in hereafter.

There are many "scholars" who claim that Hadeed references regarding the killing of some people on the hand companions of the Holy Prophet PBUH are contradictory to what Quran teaches. My question is where does the Quran rules that such people should not be punished and there is no need to take any action against them ?

While many scholars have mentioned in their Tafseer books that Verse clarifies that blasphemer should be deprived of any kind of goodness and Ibn E Abbas goes to the extant the person should be killed.

There are many other example in Quran where ALLAH swt says he will curse the perpetrators of different offenses and crimes but does that mean ALLAH forbids the state and governments to make law against those crimes too ?

The ruling which you demand for blasphemy directly from the Quran will make it a Hadood Law. So clearly Blasphemy is not included in the Hadood laws. But Islamic states are free to introduces laws to curb such crimes. There are many historical examples. Besides Majority of Muslim is united on the point of punishment to the blasphemer which makes it as case of Ijtihad, the practice which is perfectly in accordance with established Islamic Islamic jurisprudence procedures..

What you need o do is to prove is that Blasphemy is tolerable offense in Islam and ALLAH clearly forbids taking any against the perpetrators on institutional levels. Siting the example where the offence is condemned by Quran without giving Hadood laws for it is a different debate.

So nothing in the Holy Qur'an then that proves what you are saying. Okay cheers. You are also insinuating that words can hurt the Allah Ta'ala as well as the Rasool (saw). In the verses I presented, Allah Ta'ala is telling the holy Prophet (saw) to ignore their words. Are you now saying nauzibillah that the holy Prophet (saw) will command his followers to do something that he is commanded by Allah ta'ala to not do?

 

[Mutakalim]

LoL. You were caught trying to pass off a verse of the Holy Qur'an as something else. You cannot say why so you move to this. Khush raho, aisay ager aap musalman hai to main aap logon ki akhon main Kafir hee theekh hun.

Who caught me? Ahmadi? We have caught you and your Mirza Qadiani. First, establish your legitimacy to say anything about Islam. Then we will see how strong is your argument.

 

[punit]

u just had 2 ask a stupid question, now didn't you ?

just asking. since any thing can come under blasphemy law what about this.

 

[Pakistani E]

We will discuss the legitimacy of Ahmadi messenger before discussing anything related to Islam.

You need to concentrate on bringing your farzi Messiah from heaven first.

Who caught me? Ahmadi? We have caught you and your Mirza Qadiani. First, establish your legitimacy to say anything about Islam. Then we will see how strong is your argument.

Why did you pass of that verse from the Holy Qur'an as something that it isn't related to? Have you no shame? What kind of a momin are you that you dare try this?

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

So nothing in the Holy Qur'an then that proves what you are saying. Okay cheers.

I want to answer you but you are not Muslim. You can not understand the love and compassion of a common Muslim towards the Holy Prophet PBUH.

Only those people should tell Muslim to tolerate the insult for Holy Prophet PBUH who have never in thier life taken offense of any sort of any talk. While people here ban users to post something they dont like. You will dont like if I call Ahamdis as Qadyanis but you will tell others to tolerate hate speech against the Prophet PBUH. Cheers.

 

[Mutakalim]

I want to answer you but you are not Muslim. You can not understand the love and compassion of a common Muslim towards the Holy Prophet PBUH.

Only those people should tell Muslim to tolerate the insult for Holy Prophet PBUH who have never in thier life taken offense of any sort of any talk. While people here ban users to post something they dont like. You will dont like if I call Ahamdis as Qadyanis but you will tell others to tolerate hate speech against the Prophet PBUH.

An argument with nonmuslims on this topic is useless.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Most countries that wish to progress spend more time studying science and funding research, meanwhile we bicker about blasphemy, who and who not to put to death.

 

[Pakistani E]

I want to answer you but you are not Muslim. You can not understand the love and compassion of a common Muslim towards the Holy Prophet PBUH.

Only those people should tell Muslim to tolerate the insult for Holy Prophet PBUH who have never in thier life taken offense of any sort of any talk. While people here ban users to post something they dont like. You will dont like if I call Ahamdis as Qadyanis but you will tell others to tolerate hate speech against the Prophet PBUH. Cheers.

Read my previous edited version of the post, it answers it fully.

As for my bearing to hear insults of the Holy Prophet (saw), well then that is none of your concern to even accuse me of this, just a cheap shot. I was taught to show my love for the Holy Prophet (saw) by forgiveness and when I hear insults about him (saw), I present to them the beautiful teachings and life examples from his (saw) life to say there is no justification. I choose to send Durud on him (saw), instead of killing a person, that is the teachings of the Holy Prophet (saw) that I know. I don't recognize this blood thirsty religion you have turned Islam in to.

 

[Panther 57]

Guys can we make this thread for discussion between Muslims only? I am seeing some non-Muslims making comments who don't have the love relationship with our prophet (PBUH)...

I suggest delete any non-Muslims' comments.

Anyone who is commenting here should first witness that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet and then start commenting.

My dear this is a forum where people discuss different topics, this is not a platform to wage wars. There may be many non muslims interested in knowing about Islam. We have to develop a tolerant approach.

It's not the job of Mirza Qadiani or his followers to establish what is related or not related in verses of Quran. Rasool Allah, Sahaba and Aima have already established it.
I think we should discuss the legitimacy of punishment which should be inflicted on you. You are not legitimate to discuss anything related to Islam.
298-C. Person of Quadiani group, etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith:
Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis' or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

My friend I am sorry to read your words. We as members of forum should not make derogatory remarks on other members. And just for your information I do not belong to Ahmadi community. please refer to my comments above. Regretfully, i have to give you a negative mark for such conversation @Emmie @Horus @Jungibaaz

The Holy Quran clearly condemns those who annoy ALLAH and his Prophet PBUH in strongest terms. It is mentioned in Surah Al Ahzab: verse 57.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَابًا مُهِينًا

Translation:

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. Quran 33:57

Notwithstanding punishment prescribed in law of land, simple reading of this verse does not indicate killing the person. It talks about cursing and humiliating punishment in afterlife. Any inference to execute the person will be incorrect. Yes it can be related to an Ijtehad after Holy Prophet (PBUH) where it was decided that blasphemer is to be executed.

 

[Pakistani E]

sorry could not resist. But when Muslim Declare 5 times a day : there is no God except Allah .. isnt is blasphemy form the POV of other religions ?

Probably is, depends on which religion though. Which one are you talking about?

Although if I have a right to say there is only one God, they have the right to say whatever they want as long as the bounds of civilised discussion is not broken.

 

[Mutakalim]

Most countries that wish to progress spend more time studying science and funding research, meanwhile we bicker about blasphemy, who and who not to put to death.

It's in our law. Who will discuss it? People of India, America or Japan?

 

[The Accountant]

sorry could not resist. But when Muslim Declare 5 times a day : there is no God except Allah .. isnt is blasphemy form the POV of other religions ?

Bro, if you don't know about Islam then don't jumpin ,,, first study what blasphemy is and only then comment ...

Being a non-muslim (i.e. not considering Allah as only God and not considering Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as last prophet) is not blasphemy ... Few example of blasphemy are :

1. Calling names for Allah and Prophet (SAW) ... which is also not allowed for muslims to your god or any other god ...
2. Character assassination of Allah and Prophet (SAW) ... Which is also prohibited for your gods.

There are many hindus in Pakistan which thinks that Prophet (SAW) is incorrect but they are not charged with blasphemy ... Blasphemy is charged when you start publically speaking defamatory remarks about Allah or his Prophet (PBUH) and on the same time muslims are banned to say any defamatory remarks on god of other religions ...

 

[Hell hound]

@Gillani88 how can a person (saw) order a hit on person just on the bases of blasphemy if the same person(saw) stopped an angel from crushing whole taif between mountains and make dua for them even after they stoned him (saw)till his shoes were filled with his(saw)own blood. surley there must be something more to the story.my nabi was too merciful and polite to order a hit just for a personal reason.
@The Sandman @Zibago @Moonlight @django

 

[RangeMaster]

 

[Jungibaaz]

It's in our law. Who will discuss it? People of India, America or Japan?

No they won't discuss it. They're too busy doing things of actual worth to humanity.