What's new

The Afghan war: A failure made in the USA

PDFChamp

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Dec 11, 2016
Messages
489
Reaction score
6
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
The US-made mess in Afghanistan has much to do with its failed policies and shoot-first-ask-questions-later attitude.

5173a07c89aa4b19a83ae6d62ef6d424_18.jpg

US army soldiers fire a howitzer artillery piece at Seprwan Ghar forward fire base in Panjwai district, Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan on June 12, 2011 [File: Baz Ratner/Reuters]
Last week, the Washington Post published a six-part investigative series on the United States' war in Afghanistan, based on thousands of government documents the newspaper procured.

The paper has shone a light on the disjuncture between what has been occurring on the ground in Afghanistan and what successive American governments have been saying about it. It has highlighted the strategic drift that has marked the US engagement with what was once considered the "good war" but is now the war that just will not end.

Most of all, these documents reveal that the failure of Afghanistan is mostly made in the US - something those who have closely observed the conflict knew all along.

Pakistani perfidy, Afghan avarice
Officials quoted in the Washington Post investigation repeatedly blame Pakistan and its partners in Afghanistan for undermining their war effort.

In taking Washington's dollars but supporting its opponents, Pakistan certainly played a double-game, one whose effects were especially felt in the mid-2000s, when the Taliban was on the defensive. Pakistani aid and sanctuary ensured that the Taliban would have the space to regroup physically, politically, militarily, and organisationally.

Washington insiders, while correct in their descriptions of Pakistan's policies as duplicitous, are prone to exaggerating their implications as the most important factor in the war. Even if Islamabad had done exactly what Washington wanted, US forces would still have strained to pacify a rural-based insurgency with as few troops as the Bush administration had in Afghanistan.

For most of Bush's presidency, the US had 10,000-20,000 troops in Afghanistan. This was a paltry commitment when juxtaposed with the administration's stated goals. After all, the US had roughly 150,000 troops in Iraq during Bush's second term and, in more direct comparison, the Soviets had more than 100,000 soldiers occupying Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Furthermore, this relatively light American presence in Afghanistan was aimed not just at fighting but also building hospitals and schools, digging irrigation canals, directing traffic, and cooking.

What about the lack of a credible, popular, and competent ally on the ground? From the perspective of many officials, the roots of US failure in Afghanistan lie exactly there - within Afghan society. There are two main variants of this argument.

First, the corruption of Hamid Karzai, the warlordism of his governor allies, and the wider kleptocratic system that Americans found themselves against never gave the occupation a chance. Widespread corruption undoubtedly played an important role in delegitimising the governments the US set up in Kabul - first Karzai's and then Ghani's.

But Washington made its own bed on this score: it chose to centralise power in Kabul despite Afghanistan's political history being marked by relatively autonomous regions and provinces, and it chose to do so in the person of Hamid Karzai. It also chose to solve problems in Afghanistan by throwing money at it.

As the New York Times sensationally reported in 2013, American fingerprints could be found all over Karzai's behaviour. The CIA, invoking B-grade action movies, was delivering duffel bags of cash to Karzai's office for distribution to his allies. The Obama administration also looked the other way as Karzai ballot-stuffed his way to re-election in 2009.

Second, alongside the major problem of corruption, US officials considered Afghans too uneducated, too undisciplined, and essentially too backward to mould into a fighting force worthy of a sovereign state. According to the Washington Post, interviewed sources "depicted the Afghan security forces as incompetent, unmotivated, poorly trained, corrupt and riddled with deserters and infiltrators".

It is true that the Afghan rank and file suffered from illiteracy and observed cultural mores very different from what GI Joes and Janes were accustomed to. Nonetheless, it hardly seems fair to blame Afghan recruits if they could not read aircraft repair manuals or if they confused urinals for drinking fountains, as some American officers have claimed.

The Afghan forces' petty corruption or their attacks on coalition troops were admittedly a much bigger problem. But even here, it stretches credulity that smuggled fuel and around 150 casualties can defeat a hegemonic superpower. Rather, there were bigger forces at play.

American failure

Pakistan may have been an unhelpful ally and Afghanistan may have been an unruly client - pesky foreigners with their own world views, agendas, and customs - but the central causes of American failure in Afghanistan were located in the US. Most importantly, the George W Bush administration, whose neoconservative foreign policy was dictated by the triumvirate of Vice President Dick Cheney, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary of Defence Paul Wolfowitz, made two fateful choices that doomed the US effort.

First, the decision to invade Afghanistan was more an emotional response aimed at satisfying the collective psychological need for revenge for the 9/11 attacks than a result of careful strategic consideration. As one writer puts it, American decision-making in the aftermath of 9/11 seemed rooted in "a kind of irrational, all-encompassing, post-traumatic breakdown".

Understandably, the US leadership felt it needed to engineer a military response to the gruesome attacks of 9/11. But in the autumn of 2001, the Bush administration did not adequately think through the precise aims of military action in Afghanistan.

Officially, the war that began in October 2001 was aimed at eliminating al-Qaeda as a threat. As a corollary, this meant a government in Kabul that would deny that terrorist organisation sanctuary. Could the Taliban be such a government? The US seemed to believe that because Taliban leader Mullah Omar had not taken a sterner line against al-Qaeda during the late 1990s, that he could not be relied upon to do so post-2001.

This was a reasonable but tragically flawed line of thinking. It was reasonable because the US had made several overtures to the Taliban before 9/11 to abandon Osama bin Laden and force him out of the country, most likely back to Saudi Arabia, where he would face that regime's particular form of justice.

On the other hand, it is instructive that the Washington Post series quotes national security leaders like Jeffrey Eggers, diplomatic officials like Zalmay Khalilzad, and academic experts like Barnett Rubin to exactly that effect: the US could indeed have reached a deal with the Taliban had it adopted a more accommodationist course.

And while it was one thing to avoid talks with the Taliban, the Bush administration went much further, rejecting agreements that the Afghan government itself struck with the Taliban in 2001 and 2004 that conceivably could have ended major combat 15 years ago.

Simply put, the Bush administration failed to weld negotiations to its military strategy. About five years later, President Barack Obama's administration would repeat the same mistake of not contemplating negotiations seriously enough.

Rubin, who worked under Secretary Hillary Clinton at the State Department, argues that the Obama administration's reluctance to reach out to the Taliban was a product of her impending presidential run, and the attendant need to demonstrate her militaristic bona fides to an electorate suspicious of women's perceived "softness" on national security.

In addition, Obama's timeline for withdrawal of US forces, almost universally panned in the documents, was similarly born of domestic political calculations, since he wanted his 2012 re-election campaign to be inoculated against any backlash to his 2009 troop "surge".

Aside from these major errors, Obama's exclusive focus on al-Qaeda was also anachronistic - such a strategy might have worked in 2001, but by the 2010s, the Americans were facing a different war than the one they started with.

The 'side war'
Just as fateful as the confusion over the mission in Afghanistan, and the degree to which the Taliban was to be designated an enemy with whom negotiation was possible, was the decision to invade Iraq.

In general, the Beltway does not like to talk much about the Iraq war when it comes to its failures in Afghanistan because it was an entirely unforced error that cannot be laid at the feet of conniving Pakistani generals, corrupt Afghan elites, thuggish warlords, Islamist extremists, backstabbing soldiers, or buffoonish police.

The Washington Post's series only briefly delves into the question of Iraq, but the tranche of documents it released paint a bigger, and uniform, picture: Iraq represented a severe diversion.

In the documents it released, James Dobbins, a diplomat and special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan during 2013-14, is quoted as saying. "First, you know, sort of just invade one country at a time." He explains that until roughly 2005, Iraq took attention away from Afghanistan; after that point, it began to take resources too.

Echoing Dobbins, Douglas Lute, the White House "Czar" for Afghanistan between 2007 and 2013, said that the Bush administration's "attention would break down to about 85 percent on Iraq and 15 percent on Afghanistan, or maybe even 90 percent attention on Iraq and 10 percent attention on Afghanistan".

David Richards, a British general who led NATO in 2006 and 2007, stated plainly: "The US was sending the best minds and resources to Iraq." Most ominously, at the time that the Taliban was militarily resurgent in the mid-2000s, the Bush administration was pushing NATO to take the lead because "the US had too much on their plates".

The idea that the US should have fought one war at a time is well-taken, and the level of self-criticism displayed in these documents is laudable. Nevertheless, the critiques of the Iraq war are striking for not going nearly far enough.

The basic premise seems to be that the biggest problem with invading Iraq was that it diverted resources for war-fighting. Conspicuous by its absence, at least in these documents, is any sense of the regional and global implications of an aggressive war where the US invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and that had not threatened it.

These included the loss in sympathy, soft power, and political capital the world over, in many cases most sharply in NATO countries. In addition, the slogan that the US is at war with Islam - popular with both Islamists and Trumpist Republicans - became much harder to debunk.

Most significantly, the documents betray no collective reckoning with why the Iraq war was fought. The Bush administration attacked Iraq because it believed that merely attacking Afghanistan would not sufficiently demonstrate the might of its military and the toughness of its resolve to the rest of the world.

Indeed, rather than the "good war" monicker the Afghanistan conflict has been cloaked with since its inception, it was ironically the "not good enough" war. A bigger bang was needed to show the US meant business.

Both the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq stemmed from a shoot-first-ask-questions-later attitude, one especially prevalent among neocons but shared by a significant cross-section of the "respectable" foreign policy establishment. Such a cavalier approach to the use of deadly force permeates American behaviour among citizens, between citizens and the police, as well as between the military and other states, raising questions about US society beyond the ambit of foreign policy.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/afghan-war-failure-usa-191223104820851.html
 
.
US never jump in non-profitable war ......trust me. Behind the noise, US has achieve alot.
 
.
Hi,

Do not believe all that the article says---.

The US wanted to create chaos and destruction---anarchy and panic---that what they came to do---that is what they ended up doing---.

This way---they have totally destroyed the nation---and have left nothing to rebuilt it on---.

So---please don't fall for this propaganda type article against the US policy---.
 
.
US has ruined Afghanistan and Iraq. People whom US wanted dead, are actually dead - be they in any part of the world including in Pakistan. Message is loud and clear enough. Rest is noise.

Conversely, these are politically-motivated conflicts to feed multi-billion dollar American Military Industrial Complex. These conflicts are [intentionally] supposed to be dragged for as long as possible because business is important. These conflicts created lot of employment and sales behind-the-scenes.

Some food for thought:-

1. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/nov/18/killer-drones-how-many-uav-predator-reaper

2. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/30/revealed-private-firms-at-heart-of-us-drone-warfare

3. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-private-contractors-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/

4. https://www.jstor.org/stable/20869669?seq=1

5. https://www.e-ir.info/2018/08/02/th...ning-private-military-and-security-companies/

How could they let all that go easily?
 
Last edited:
.
History told us that none of our Army general Traitors and always do their best policy to protect the country and nation, but because of our traitor Politician and corrupt judges always put whole nation on stake ...look at the Washington post leak report and analyzed yourself how Musharraf played a double game and helped our ISI to defeat the US in Afghanistan. and Superpower CIA not even have a clue that they are facing ISI who already defeated one superpower in Afghan Battleground.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap.../afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-strategy/
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/afghan-war-failure-usa-191223104820851.html

love to see Mushy in acation...
 
Last edited:
.
@SIPRA

Have a look at this!

K*osa fly, fly, fly, to Yankistan...

Mushy
and PakArmy dragged through mud by the JudicialMaffia... who was financing CrowTerroristsMovement to restore one eyed demon Iftihar Ch.?

And how many MaffiaCrows were inducted to JudicialMaffia?

I guess the US has taken revenge on Mushy and PakArmy through the hands of JudicialMaffia.

Of course. But don't forget that that Crow Mafia Movement was spearheaded covertly by a person no less than General (R) Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. It is no more secret now.
 
.
yea.........with all that technology and more than 20 nations involved. hundreds and thousands of troops deployed. ample amount of funding.

all they can do is pivot the blame.

we have a saying 'dhoob maro' which means go and drown(in shame)!

@SIPRA

Have a look at this!

K*osa fly, fly, fly, to Yankistan...

Mushy
and PakArmy dragged through mud by the JudicialMaffia... who was financing CrowTerroristsMovement to restore one eyed demon Iftihar Ch.?

And how many MaffiaCrows were inducted to JudicialMaffia?

I guess the US has taken revenge on Mushy and PakArmy through the hands of JudicialMaffia.
 
.
History told us that none of our Army general Traitors and always do their best policy to protect the country and nation, but because of our traitor Politician and corrupt judges always put whole nation on stake ...look at the Washington post leak report and analyzed yourself how Musharraf played a double game and helped our ISI to defeat the US in Afghanistan. and Superpower CIA not even have a clue that they are facing ISI who already defeated one superpower in Afghan Battleground.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap.../afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-strategy/
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/afghan-war-failure-usa-191223104820851.html

Hi,

As usual there are a lots of lies about pakistan & Gen Musharraf---.

Mush went on an all out support for the US---but when he saw the deceit in the US military action and US govt policy---his perspective changed and he mentioned it in earlier interviews---.

Pak milityary realized the deceit of the US army when pak military would plan an offensive at pt A and would ask the US military to be on the opposite side of the border to catch the escaping opposition---the US military was no where to be found----.

The US military would start an action a 400 / 500 miles down stream of the border on their own---so on one side pak is attacking and the opposing forces are escaping to afg without any checks and then the US attacks the opposing force some 500 miles away without telling pakistan military and the enemy escapes into pakistan---thus the US military / govt can blame pakistan---.

The US govt policy was evident after the very first week that how deceitful it was---as there were no US ground troops in afg in the earlier days except for a few spec forces operators---.
 
. .
Hi,

As usual there are a lots of lies about pakistan & Gen Musharraf---.

Mush went on an all out support for the US---but when he saw the deceit in the US military action and US govt policy---his perspective changed and he mentioned it in earlier interviews---.

Pak milityary realized the deceit of the US army when pak military would plan an offensive at pt A and would ask the US military to be on the opposite side of the border to catch the escaping opposition---the US military was no where to be found----.

The US military would start an action a 400 / 500 miles down stream of the border on their own---so on one side pak is attacking and the opposing forces are escaping to afg without any checks and then the US attacks the opposing force some 500 miles away without telling pakistan military and the enemy escapes into pakistan---thus the US military / govt can blame pakistan---.

The US govt policy was evident after the very first week that how deceitful it was---as there were no US ground troops in afg in the earlier days except for a few spec forces operators---.
I continued to rant at Northern Alliance and their hostile warlords as a reason for our lack of cooperation and trust in the fight against terror but it was becoming clear that it was actually an act by the Americans themselves.

their troops on ground have raised suspicions on what double or triple games their leadership was playing specially the episode of allowing Osama escape along with his entourage from Tora Bora
 
.
This is some analysis of the current situation and how our ISI is dealing.
to attack us they need iran and Afghanistan on their side. look recent visit of Indian FM to iran and their offering to iran
https://en.radiofarda.com/a/india-i...ct-indian-foreign-minister-says/30340068.html
مکار دشمنوں کی نئی چال
پاکستان کو گھیرنے اور آزاد کشمیر پر حملے کا خطرناک منصوبہ بنایا گیا ہے اور عمران خان کو اپنا دوست کہنے والے ٹرمپ صاب بھی منصوبہ کا حصہ ہیں ۔اسرائیل تو ہمارا ازلی دشمن ہے ۔مودی نے ٹرمپ سے کہا ہے اسے کسی طرح چھ مہینے چاہیں اور ان چھ مہینوں میں پاکستان پر دباؤ دیا جائے کہ وہ بھارت کے خلاف کوئی سخت قدم نا اٹھائے اس لئیے ٹرمپ صاب عمران خان کی خوشامد کیے جا رہے ہیں ٹرمپ کی جانب سے پاکستان کو مذاکرات کا جھوٹا دلاسہ دیا جا رہا ہے تاکہ مودی کو وقت مل سکے اور وہ اسرائیل کے ساتھ مل کر اپنا منصوبہ مکمل کر سکے
منصوبہ کیا ہے؟؟
(1 )مقبوضہ کشمیر یا ہندوستان کے اندر ایک بڑا حملہ کر کے اسکا الزام پاکستان پر ڈال کے فوراً ہی آزاد کشمیر میں حملہ کیا جائے اور ساتھ میں مضبوضہ کشمیر میں بڑے پیمانے پر قتل عام کیا جائے
(1) ورکنگ باؤنڈری پر ہر طرف سے شدید حملہ کیا جائے اور بلوچستان ،کراچی میں اپنے پالتو کتوں کا استمعال کر کے سویلین آبادی پر حملے کیے جائیں
(3) افغانستان کے بارڈر سے داعش اور افغان نیشنل آرمی کے ساتھ ملکر قبائلی اضلاع میں شدید حملے کیے جائیں گے اور پی ٹی ایم کی شکل میں موجود غدار انکا ساتھ دیں گے کیونکہ گشتینوں کو آزاد پختونستان کا لالی پاپ دیا گیا ہے
(4) پاکستان آرمی کی نقل حرکات سے میں رکاوٹ ڈالنے کے لیے دریاؤں میں پانی چھوڑ ڈیا جائے گا تاکہ سیلاب کی وجہ سے پاک آرمی کو نقل حرکت میں مشکل ہو
چاروں طرف یلغار کو روکنے میں جب ہمارے فوجی جوان مصروف ہوں گے پاکستان کو ایٹم بم کے حملے سے بعض رکھنے کے لیے امریکہ بہادر لاہور پر ہائڈروجن بمب کی دھمکی دے گا تاکہ پاکستان کو لاچار کر کے بے بس کر دیا جائے اور انڈیا آزاد کشمیر پر اور اسرائیل فلسطین پر قبضہ کر لے
بہت ناپاک سازش رچی جا رہی پاکستان کے خلاف
اور یہاں ہمارے پٹواری گشتینے ،جمعوتے ،جیالے لبرلز اور لفافہ اپنی ہی فوج پر تنقید کر رہے ہیں لعنت ایسے ضمیر فروشوں پر
اللہ کا شکر ہے کہ اللہ نے گمنام سپاہیوں کو طاقت دی ہے کہ وہ دشمن کی ہر چال کا وقت سے پہلے پتا لگا لیتے ہیں بے شک یہ اللہ کا خاص کرم ہے
اب پاکستان کے پاس اس چال کا کیا جواب ہے اس کے بارے کل تک پوسٹ کروں گا اگر نا کی تو سمجھنا پاکستان اس چال کو کاؤنٹر کرنے کے لئے جو پالیسی بنا رہا وہ دشمنوں کے ہوش اڑانے والی ہے ۔ایک ہنٹ دے دوں آپکو دشمنوں کو اس حملے سے بعض رکھنے کے ہمارا سب سے سرپرائز ہتھیار دشمن کو پیچھے ہٹنے پر مجبور کرے گا اس سرپرائز ہتھیار کے بارے وقت آنے پر قوم اور دشمنوں کو معلوم ہو جائے گا اللہ پاکستان کا حامی و ناصر ہو آمین
فلحال آپ سے درخواست ہے کہ اپنی افواج کے لئے دعا کریں اور اپنی افواج کے ساتھ کھڑیں ہوں کیوں کہ اب کی بار جنگ ہم سب کو لڑنی پڑی گی اس لیے اپنے آپ کو اللہ اور اس کے حبیب کی رضا کے لیے تیار رکھیں
ہم جنگ کے خواہشمند نہیں مگر یہ ہم پر مسلط کی جانی کے اور ہم نے ہر حال میں لڑنی ہے اور اسلام کے اس قلعہ کا دفاع اپنی جان کے بدلے کرنا ہے
#اسلام زندہ آباد#پاکستان پائندہ آباد❤❤
 
Last edited:
.
Pakistani judiciary is the left over of the British colonialism. The judges and lawyers are serving their colonial masters. Therefore, no British connected person can be trusted to serve Pakistan. All they do is to destroy Pakistan from within.
 
.
History told us that none of our Army general Traitors and always do their best policy to protect the country and nation, but because of our traitor Politician and corrupt judges always put whole nation on stake ...look at the Washington post leak report and analyzed yourself how Musharraf played a double game and helped our ISI to defeat the US in Afghanistan. and Superpower CIA not even have a clue that they are facing ISI who already defeated one superpower in Afghan Battleground.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap.../afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-strategy/
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/afghan-war-failure-usa-191223104820851.html
Do you know that Bush administration allowed Al-Qaeda Network to slip into Pakistan from Tora Bora sector? An American commander on the ground requested reinforcements from his higher ups to eliminate Al-Qaeda Network in Tora Bora and his request was denied. Imagine this.

Pakistan simply chose to safeguard its interests vis-a-vis Afghanistan and weather the storm. Duplicity my foot.

Americans mainly saw in Afghanistan an ideal environment for experiments (e.g. Drone warfare), and to gather vital information from Afghanistan's neighborhood.

If they want to win a war, they can and will. Any irregular warfare force cannot defeat world's greatest army in the battlefield - nope. Americans should be questioned about their true mission in Afghanistan.
 
.
I continued to rant at Northern Alliance and their hostile warlords as a reason for our lack of cooperation and trust in the fight against terror but it was becoming clear that it was actually an act by the Americans themselves.

their troops on ground have raised suspicions on what double or triple games their leadership was playing specially the episode of allowing Osama escape along with his entourage from Tora Bora

Hi,

Remember for how long I have been stating this view---over a decade now---.

What that report missed out was the time when Pakistan put sanctions on the US supply line and what happened as a result of that---.


It was observed that the Taliban attacks on the US troops dwindled to nothing during that time period---.

On further search it was found out that the Taliban fighters were not getting their usual monthly salaries.

On further search it was found out that the Taliban warlords were short of funds---.

Further search revealed that the due to sanctions---there was no movement of US supply trucks from the border of Chaman and from Torkhum into afghanistan---. to the US military bases---. What came out as a shocker was that the US military was paying paying the Taliban for a safe passage of supplies from the border to the US military bases---and from that money---the Taliban warlords were paying the taliban troops to carry out military action against the US military---.

Pakistanis will never be able to understand the planning and mindset of the US military and the american politicians---. They have no training---no education and no concept how the good old white boys think---.
 
.
the US military was paying paying the Taliban for a safe passage of supplies from the border to the US military bases---and from that money---the Taliban warlords were paying the taliban troops to carry out military action against the US military---.

I have seen a program narrated by the Americans themselves and the US based news about Americans paying the Afghan taliban for the right of passage
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom