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Me: What Yellow shirt has done to us! I am pro democracy. Now with all of this you-know-what-happened, we are losing important ally when US view subs deals as "concrete" tilt toward China. Give me back my Thaksin.



Thailand Tilts Away From the U.S.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/thailand-tilts-away-from-the-u-s-1435678360


“Thailand’s navy has long pushed to buy conventional submarines, with U.S. allies Germany or South Korea the expected suppliers. So the decision to buy Chinese boats, reported Friday by the Bangkok Post, suggests America’s oldest ally in Asia is edging toward Beijing. This development is particularly concerning because the two countries’ militaries have a deep and abiding relationship. The U.S. helped Bangkok fight a communist insurgency and flew bombing missions from Thai air bases during the Vietnam War. Started more than 30 years ago, the annual Cobra Gold joint exercises are among the largest in the world. In 2003 President George W. Bush made Thailand officially a “major non-NATO ally,” a designation that brings the benefits reserved for the most trusted security partners. The relationship started to sour after the May 2014 Thai coup, with Cobra Gold downgraded and other U.S. aid and contacts curtailed. Washington has called for an early return to democracy and warned against a politically motivated prosecution of deposed Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra. While this mirrors American condemnations of past coups, the generals bridled at the perceived interference. Thailand’s polarized politics makes it doubtful they will allow fresh elections soon, and a new constitution is expected to neuter elected politicians. The junta has tried to get Washington to mute its criticism by strengthening ties with Beijing, which is all too happy to lend support to fellow authoritarians. Such signaling is one thing, but the sub deal would be a concrete step away from the U.S. alliance. The Thai navy would need a continuing relationship with Beijing to maintain and operate the boats. Naturally Beijing has sweetened the deal to secure this opening. The three subs will cost $355 million each, including technology transfer and training, which makes them cheaper than the competition. And on paper at least they are more capable vessels, with advanced air-independent propulsion that allows them to stay submerged for extended periods. If the submarine deal goes ahead, it will represent the breakdown of trust between the U.S. and Thailand. Clearly there has been a divergence of values as the Thai elite has turned against democracy. But the U.S. has exercised a stabilizing influence in the neighborhood and will continue to do so. Thailand’s generals need to think twice about squandering their most important alliance.”
 
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The US is too far away while China is so close to Thailand..
Also US won`t solve the economy issue of Thailand while China can..
it is the two reason why Thailand will go further closer to China...

Me: What Yellow shirt has done to us! I am pro democracy. Now with all of this you-know-what-happened, we are losing important ally when US view subs deals as "concrete" tilt toward China. Give me back my Thaksin.



Thailand Tilts Away From the U.S.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/thailand-tilts-away-from-the-u-s-1435678360


“Thailand’s navy has long pushed to buy conventional submarines, with U.S. allies Germany or South Korea the expected suppliers. So the decision to buy Chinese boats, reported Friday by the Bangkok Post, suggests America’s oldest ally in Asia is edging toward Beijing. This development is particularly concerning because the two countries’ militaries have a deep and abiding relationship. The U.S. helped Bangkok fight a communist insurgency and flew bombing missions from Thai air bases during the Vietnam War. Started more than 30 years ago, the annual Cobra Gold joint exercises are among the largest in the world. In 2003 President George W. Bush made Thailand officially a “major non-NATO ally,” a designation that brings the benefits reserved for the most trusted security partners. The relationship started to sour after the May 2014 Thai coup, with Cobra Gold downgraded and other U.S. aid and contacts curtailed. Washington has called for an early return to democracy and warned against a politically motivated prosecution of deposed Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra. While this mirrors American condemnations of past coups, the generals bridled at the perceived interference. Thailand’s polarized politics makes it doubtful they will allow fresh elections soon, and a new constitution is expected to neuter elected politicians. The junta has tried to get Washington to mute its criticism by strengthening ties with Beijing, which is all too happy to lend support to fellow authoritarians. Such signaling is one thing, but the sub deal would be a concrete step away from the U.S. alliance. The Thai navy would need a continuing relationship with Beijing to maintain and operate the boats. Naturally Beijing has sweetened the deal to secure this opening. The three subs will cost $355 million each, including technology transfer and training, which makes them cheaper than the competition. And on paper at least they are more capable vessels, with advanced air-independent propulsion that allows them to stay submerged for extended periods. If the submarine deal goes ahead, it will represent the breakdown of trust between the U.S. and Thailand. Clearly there has been a divergence of values as the Thai elite has turned against democracy. But the U.S. has exercised a stabilizing influence in the neighborhood and will continue to do so. Thailand’s generals need to think twice about squandering their most important alliance.”
 
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Thailand tilts to whomever gives the best offer. My advice: America should increase military aid to Thailand. ;)

Me: What Yellow shirt has done to us! I am pro democracy. Now with all of this you-know-what-happened, we are losing important ally when US view subs deals as "concrete" tilt toward China. Give me back my Thaksin.



Thailand Tilts Away From the U.S.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/thailand-tilts-away-from-the-u-s-1435678360


“Thailand’s navy has long pushed to buy conventional submarines, with U.S. allies Germany or South Korea the expected suppliers. So the decision to buy Chinese boats, reported Friday by the Bangkok Post, suggests America’s oldest ally in Asia is edging toward Beijing. This development is particularly concerning because the two countries’ militaries have a deep and abiding relationship. The U.S. helped Bangkok fight a communist insurgency and flew bombing missions from Thai air bases during the Vietnam War. Started more than 30 years ago, the annual Cobra Gold joint exercises are among the largest in the world. In 2003 President George W. Bush made Thailand officially a “major non-NATO ally,” a designation that brings the benefits reserved for the most trusted security partners. The relationship started to sour after the May 2014 Thai coup, with Cobra Gold downgraded and other U.S. aid and contacts curtailed. Washington has called for an early return to democracy and warned against a politically motivated prosecution of deposed Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra. While this mirrors American condemnations of past coups, the generals bridled at the perceived interference. Thailand’s polarized politics makes it doubtful they will allow fresh elections soon, and a new constitution is expected to neuter elected politicians. The junta has tried to get Washington to mute its criticism by strengthening ties with Beijing, which is all too happy to lend support to fellow authoritarians. Such signaling is one thing, but the sub deal would be a concrete step away from the U.S. alliance. The Thai navy would need a continuing relationship with Beijing to maintain and operate the boats. Naturally Beijing has sweetened the deal to secure this opening. The three subs will cost $355 million each, including technology transfer and training, which makes them cheaper than the competition. And on paper at least they are more capable vessels, with advanced air-independent propulsion that allows them to stay submerged for extended periods. If the submarine deal goes ahead, it will represent the breakdown of trust between the U.S. and Thailand. Clearly there has been a divergence of values as the Thai elite has turned against democracy. But the U.S. has exercised a stabilizing influence in the neighborhood and will continue to do so. Thailand’s generals need to think twice about squandering their most important alliance.”


555555! i thought you were a yellow shirter na krap!
 
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Thailand tilts to whomever gives the best offer. My advice: America should increase military aid to Thailand. ;)




555555! i thought you were a yellow shirter na krap!

Hey Look at my Avata!.

Me Yellow shirt? :fie:

:D
 
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The US is too far away while China is so close to Thailand..
Also US won`t solve the economy issue of Thailand while China can..
it is the two reason why Thailand will go further closer to China...

How can China solve the economic issue of Thailand? You are very ridiculous. Nowadays, global trade connects most nations, economy is global issue. One country lonely can't solve any issue.
 
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Me: What Yellow shirt has done to us! I am pro democracy. Now with all of this you-know-what-happened, we are losing important ally when US view subs deals as "concrete" tilt toward China. Give me back my Thaksin.

I don't understand, isn't Thaksin more pro-China than current administration?
 
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How many coups has Thailand had since the 1940s? I heard it was about 18. Why are the Americans so upset about this particular one?
US says the same thing after every coup. Its the Thais who are upset this time - 'Interfering with our sovereignty'.
Plus, the sub deal now hurts the pockets ($). Its an emotional issue now.:D
 
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Beautiful! Back where it belongs. Being allied with the US AGAINST China is about the most UNnatural thing a Southeast Asian country can do. It's sheer racial, cultural, geographical and economical treason. Anyway, we're not saying countries should put all eggs in one basket, or be enemies with other countries because some country wishes that, but allying with far away nations against your neighbour is stupid. Finally the historical status quo is being repaired.

May it be not far off, that every nation in Asia is allied with each other, and has a strong union so that far away lands can't divide and conquer the continent anymore. 4 billion people should be stronger than 300 million people. Or even 800 million people.

How can China solve the economic issue of Thailand? You are very ridiculous. Nowadays, global trade connects most nations, economy is global issue. One country lonely can't solve any issue.

Nonsense my friend. Proximity is ALWAYS a game changer. A and B who are neighbours will always trade more than A and C, if C is far away and the populations are comparable. That's what he means.
 
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Beautiful! Back where it belongs. Being allied with the US AGAINST China is about the most UNnatural thing a Southeast Asian country can do. It's sheer racial, cultural, geographical and economical treason. Anyway, we're not saying countries should put all eggs in one basket, or be enemies with other countries because some country wishes that, but allying with far away nations against your neighbour is stupid. Finally the historical status quo is being repaired.

May it be not far off, that every nation in Asia is allied with each other, and has a strong union so that far away lands can't divide and conquer the continent anymore. 4 billion people should be stronger than 300 million people. Or even 800 million people.



Nonsense my friend. Proximity is ALWAYS a game changer. A and B who are neighbours will always trade more than A and C, if C is far away and the populations are comparable. That's what he means.

Trade more and solve economic issue is different, my friend.
 
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Trade more and solve economic issue is different, my friend.

I mean economic influence as well. China can steer Thailand's economic policies, as it's biggest trading partner. Not dictate, but steer and influence. We all know China is number 1 in economic policies.
 
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I mean economic influence as well. China can steer Thailand's economic policies, as it's biggest trading partner. Not dictate, but steer and influence. We all know China is number 1 in economic policies.

I don't know, I don't know. I rarely viewed economy, trade that complicately.

Desire and Supply I think.
 
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I don't understand, isn't Thaksin more pro-China than current administration?
Its too difficult for me to know. Perhaps, Its highly layered.

How many coups has Thailand had since the 1940s? I heard it was about 18. Why are the Americans so upset about this particular one?
Its all because yellow shirts xss hxle

US says the same thing after every coup. Its the Thais who are upset this time - 'Interfering with our sovereignty'.
Plus, the sub deal now hurts the pockets ($). Its an emotional issue now.:D
Yes. Only Thaksin leader can master the art to solve this problem. He is Genious for if you ask me how. I am not Thaksin.

I don't know, I don't know. I rarely viewed economy, trade that complicately.

Desire and Supply I think.
well, pipeline transit fee can do, for example. Perhaps Thailand may sit on some mineral deposit
 
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Me: What Yellow shirt has done to us! I am pro democracy. Now with all of this you-know-what-happened, we are losing important ally when US view subs deals as "concrete" tilt toward China. Give me back my Thaksin.


Forget red shirt and yellow shirt, green shirt is the best. Without military intervention, Thailand would be in civil war. Democracy will be installed when social order can be maintained. General Prayut Chan-Cha :tup:
 
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