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<Copied directly from the other forum I goto, please correct me if im wrong anywehre>
Every month I return to this forum and make a post in Political Graffiti and vanish, some of you ask me why am I here if I have nothing to say on fishing... well 1) My nation is going through bad time and I think better to put my energy for my nation than to fishing 2) The fishing seson is closed here (till Sep-Oct)
Democracy is Universal / Please dont think, and apply the western democracy theory to all the world. Every country has a culture, a hertiage and a tridition much like America's/Europe's... They decide whats best for them and we decide whats best for us, that is how a world democracy should function?
I hope all of you remember the cold war with the soviets? and how USA won it? late 1940's to the late 1980's... for 30 years Pakistan and its intellegance services were used to penetrate, train and arm the "Mujahideen's" the potrayed hero's of the war. For 30 years Pakistan was the most trusted ally of the USA, and then what happened?
The priority of the USA changed we (Pakistani's) were left alone, with out a plan or funds for 11 years, and a huge militia (Mujahideen's) that was well trained, armed and most importantly without a goal. So now the ISI (Intelligenace agency of Pakistan) had to do something of them, The Mugaheen's evolved, they got there name back "Taliban's" the ethnic name they used and had. Took over Afganistan and made a goverment.
The other side of the border in Pakistan, the people felt betrayed by the USA for leaving us like this, we had the top most clearance for buying arms from the USA that was taken back. We gave the USA 600M USD for F16 in early 90's, the USA never gave us those and withheld that money till 1999 (approx) and then gave us that money back in form of Soyabean oil and wheat which we were made to import from the US on tripple freight costs. (in a long run this attitude by the US helped us and we got to make our very own semi automatic JF Thunder's, completly voiding the point US gave for not giving us F16's) Please friends understand that Pakistan is not a very rich country and 600M is a HUGE amount for us (consider its value inflate in 2007 from 1991?). What did it do? spell hatred among Pakistani's for the US for what it did, and made people have love for Taliban's (anti US) this picture should be taken with the timeline of 11 years in mind.
So now some of you might think that the US did not gave F16 beacuse they feared we will wage war with India. Please note that Pakistan has always maintained its point for the balance of militray power in South Asia, I am not going to point fingers on anyone for the three wars we had with India, we both should work on a forgive and forget policy for that. we had it, it was not good for both of us, and we both are willing to look into how we can stop it from happening again. But comming to the point of F16's as I mentioned Pakstan mantained a balance of power (militray wise) objective. Please note that 75% of India's standing army is posted on the border with Pakistan. There (India's) Army Corps/ Heavy infantry divisions/ Online forward airforce basis and all war important military batalian is placed on Border's of Pakistan. So it should be comansense for Pakistan to maintain a counter force to equal out the balance of power? I am not blaming India, every country has the right to determine its defence mecancis.
Comming back to the Taliban's, now After 9/11 the US had its rage in public opinion (that is natural). The first point to clear here is that the head of ISI of that time, offered US a peacefull and gradual capture of Usama Bin Laden, Offcourse they (ISI) had links in Taliban, It was just "Time" required to change there preception's that we needed. We did it in 1940's and we suerly could have done it again. After all the war with the Soviet was "diffrence of opinion". (this was in the news very vagely on CNN also)
But the US wanted retaliated action (for the rage in public opinion) and they start attacking with the help of Northen Alliance, the same force that was fighting against them at the time of Soviet war, against US and the Taliban's (again a negative reaction for the people of Pakistan and Afganistan)... The US goverment never once cleared out the picture to its people that the "preception" that, all Pashtun's are NOT "Taliban's" and all "Taliban's" are NOT terrorists, Infact Taliban is an Ethnic group.
So the US goes ahead with its colation (incld Pakistan) and attacks Afganistan that will suerly result in a diffrence and hatred. People here including me now think that the US govt (not its citizens) is "War Crazy" and lets its guns roll everytime its wants some thing to profit from, after all War is the most favorable thing to happen for big shot military supplier's to profit from?
So US attakcs Afganistan and the hatred spreads, no difrenciation of "threat" and "non threat", Pakhtuns = Taliban = Terrorists policy. This is not the kind of policy or action the forefather's of US made USA for, infact its exactly opposite, But I see the people of the United States forgeting that and most part of for what they achived independence for.
Preception of the people of the USA is being changed/controled with remote keys now (TV). The people of the US are made to belive that Pakistan is not doing anything against Terror, and that the 10billion the US gave to Pakistan have gone down gutter. Please be clarified that the 10Billion is SPREAD over 7 years and that 5Billion of it was reembersment from the US for the services provided BY Pakistan to the US, the US could have gone to anyother country and had the service from there. 2.5Billion of it was meant for health and education and the rest 2.5Billion for military use.
Now the US had actually given Pakistan 2.5Billion dollars to fight terrorism along its almost 1,600 miles of Afgan border most of which is the Tribal area of Pakistan which bytheway has never ever been conquered by any military/army in the world for like 1,000 years and has peaks that go from 5,000m to 18,000m ???? if the US thinks that WE, Pakistani's can STOP Talibans from entring Pakistan and STOP them from gaining control with 2.5Billion the US is kidding her self and lieing to the American public at large, USA has spent more than 150Billion USD fighting the Afgan war in Afganistan and all the US has managed to do in Afganistan is to "capture" what....like 3-4 cities at most? and there to they are living in fotresses, so the US expects us to patrol/control the entire western border with 2.5Billion USA gave us, when US her self knows that she spent 150+billion for the same thing trying to control 3-4 cities? So when we say we need more money to do it the US should get it that we goddamn mean it. And why not, we are in the mess the USA created her self and SHE should pay for it not us. After all the militancy in Pakistan is Because of America's war on terror. the militants get wepons by selling poppy in Afganistan (the ratio of it increased by 1,000% in the 8 years of war, logically because Afgans NEEDED to finance the war) and we for sure are not providing them with wepons to fight our own army, so its crossing from the border, so its Americans fault, as she is "in control of Afganistan, and its borders".... Pakistan arrested and fowarded almost 650 of the top Alqaeda influenced Taliban and Alqaida opratives, how many did the US captured her self with 150 billion?
Media = ISI sharing inteligance with the Taliban's
No braniac is needed to see the common sense in it, ISI and Taliban had ties for 42 or more years, now we should leave them for a friend known to us to betray us? NO my friend's we are not like the US govt, we know that what is "Good Taliban" and whats "Bad Taliban" our inteligance is in the process of unarming the Taliban's (and with force where nesscary, with the help of tribal elder's). but for the peacefull unarming we NEED to have the drone attaks STOPED, so we CAN get them to unarm. I am sitting here and I can guarentee 100% that never in the history of the living world will anybody be able to use force and disarm the north Pakistani Tribes. if you think it can be done you dont know the history or the geo location of the place clearly. The place where even a 10year old carries and makes wepon, how do you "Clarify the enemy"? its BEST to have "Dialugue" and make treaties with tribal elder so they them selves become the part of the solution rather than going against them and making them knowingly the part of the problem.
I want to make one thing clear, Almost every person on the face of the Earth wants to progress and live a happy life, if someone does'nt then he/she must be a mentaly ill person. The sucide bombimg and all, the people are considered unhuman and illitrates. well my friend im all against sucide bombing but dont consider the people (most) unhuman, they are just illitrate's one of the many gifts the US gave to the world for its progress,
I will talk about the Puston's in this matter only (as I have no good knowlage about Palestine). Please first consider the quote I stated in the start "Every country has a culture, a hertiage and a tridition much like America's / Europe's... They decide whats best for them and we decide whats best for us". The Pushton people put Honour first and everything else second, know that, accpet that, its how they live and its how they will live. If the US drones/planes kill (by mistake, which has been done most of the time) a house hold of people lets say by Pashtun demographs 6-15. They the Pushton's have a storngly knitt social stucture, now the house hold that died must have atleast 10-15 house holds (relatives, etc. we here know, and knitt very stongly in families) so take averges here it should produce atleast 7-8 sucide bombers that will attack USA or its colation for honour. Understand this honour, by this YOU any American or what every your natinality is goes to one of that tribe (as a friend) and lives at some ones house, and then someone out of the blue kills you, even on there door steps even when your drinking/eating at a hotel by there money. that person and there gererations to come of him will avenge your death till the end of time, and who were you? a guest with most probably a diffrent religious back ground.
So understand this, Religous extremisum = hyped case of .5% of the people (that include Al Qaida)
Extremisum to protect the fundamentels of societly and to protect young = Law of the Nature.
London bombing = People linked to Pakistan, had Pakistani parents
This is the lamest excuse a country will ever make. Agreed the parents were Pakistani's, BUT the children that DID it were born & breed in the United Kingdom hence citizen's of the United Kingdom. This is just like saying that (taking US for example) an African/European/Italiano/Mexican linked person bombed some where in the US.... After all most of the population of the Us is "Linked" to other countries.
Media = Pakistan the # 1 Nuclear Proliferation Country
USA got nuclear by Proliferating Germans (or was it Russia?), then (I dont remember the list by number) some other country Proliferated USA, then that coutnry was Proliferated, then the other and then the other. So understand that nuclear Proliferation has happened and is happening all to the sole cause of Natioanl security, as the person charged with managing the nuclear program is ONE for any given country (in initial stages), due to the secrecay of it. so if there is any greed from that person or has heart for another country the nuclear assets will Proliferate. I remember some time ago a guy in the USA was charged for nuclear Proliferation, The charges of tresan on him should have had him jailed for 30 years or a death sentence. But all he got was 6 months imporisonment. correct me if im wrong?
So if one of our scietest does it , owww.... we are a bad nation, we cant secure our nuclear assets.... for all the nuclear country ciizens reading this, look into your colars first. The scientest that Proliferated our nuclear wepons unfortunatley happens to be the one who created it for us and is considered a hero here, he is in custody now and wont be Proliferating any further, but he is independent and free from trial. we wont put him on trial, the population loves him, this is our democracy, accept it. We did take lesson from this and the nuclear assets now are in total control of the militray since 1999, and we know it is in good hands now.
Even the US now is starting to accpet this fact (with the news of talking to Taliban's, which should have been done before the war in the first place)
So my friends please stop hating, everyone in the world is as good or as bad as you are. IF there is a person that in your view's is doing wrong, that does not mean that in the views of the society of the person its SHOULD also be considered wrong. Christan's eat pork we wont, We eat Cow Hindus wont, this is diffrence of opinion and beleifs.
Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the USA trying to be the "communist" of the world order (countries)?
Because as per the definition of wekipedia
Communism (from Latin: communis = "common") is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] In political science, the term "communism" is sometimes used to refer to communist states, a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to Marxism-Leninism or a derivative thereof, even if the party does not actually claim that it has already developed communism.
The USA has control over the means of,
A) Production (OIL, Military bases in key parts and countries of the world
B) Property in general (Iraq, Afganistan, Korea, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, and other countries where its troops are deployed and countries are under reforms wanted by the USA)
C) Form of goverment in which the state(here the world) operated under one-party system, the US veto's everything she dislikes, like going to the Iraq war was rejected in the UNO?
D) "even if the party does not actually claim that it has already developed communism"
So before going bashing other countries the USA should see that what it self has become, She started out as the guiding light to moderation and acceptance and now its become the police and biased politicatly and military charged country in the world!
The ONLY country in the WORLD to use nuclear arms till to date is the US of A
I would love to anwer questions but with due time. I will highly appreciate comments.
USA was not made to achive Global policing but for the peace and love for mankind, progress is not always stepping forward, take a step back. Peace out...
<Copied directly from the other forum I goto, please correct me if im wrong anywehre>
Every month I return to this forum and make a post in Political Graffiti and vanish, some of you ask me why am I here if I have nothing to say on fishing... well 1) My nation is going through bad time and I think better to put my energy for my nation than to fishing 2) The fishing seson is closed here (till Sep-Oct)
Democracy is Universal / Please dont think, and apply the western democracy theory to all the world. Every country has a culture, a hertiage and a tridition much like America's/Europe's... They decide whats best for them and we decide whats best for us, that is how a world democracy should function?
I hope all of you remember the cold war with the soviets? and how USA won it? late 1940's to the late 1980's... for 30 years Pakistan and its intellegance services were used to penetrate, train and arm the "Mujahideen's" the potrayed hero's of the war. For 30 years Pakistan was the most trusted ally of the USA, and then what happened?
The priority of the USA changed we (Pakistani's) were left alone, with out a plan or funds for 11 years, and a huge militia (Mujahideen's) that was well trained, armed and most importantly without a goal. So now the ISI (Intelligenace agency of Pakistan) had to do something of them, The Mugaheen's evolved, they got there name back "Taliban's" the ethnic name they used and had. Took over Afganistan and made a goverment.
The other side of the border in Pakistan, the people felt betrayed by the USA for leaving us like this, we had the top most clearance for buying arms from the USA that was taken back. We gave the USA 600M USD for F16 in early 90's, the USA never gave us those and withheld that money till 1999 (approx) and then gave us that money back in form of Soyabean oil and wheat which we were made to import from the US on tripple freight costs. (in a long run this attitude by the US helped us and we got to make our very own semi automatic JF Thunder's, completly voiding the point US gave for not giving us F16's) Please friends understand that Pakistan is not a very rich country and 600M is a HUGE amount for us (consider its value inflate in 2007 from 1991?). What did it do? spell hatred among Pakistani's for the US for what it did, and made people have love for Taliban's (anti US) this picture should be taken with the timeline of 11 years in mind.
So now some of you might think that the US did not gave F16 beacuse they feared we will wage war with India. Please note that Pakistan has always maintained its point for the balance of militray power in South Asia, I am not going to point fingers on anyone for the three wars we had with India, we both should work on a forgive and forget policy for that. we had it, it was not good for both of us, and we both are willing to look into how we can stop it from happening again. But comming to the point of F16's as I mentioned Pakstan mantained a balance of power (militray wise) objective. Please note that 75% of India's standing army is posted on the border with Pakistan. There (India's) Army Corps/ Heavy infantry divisions/ Online forward airforce basis and all war important military batalian is placed on Border's of Pakistan. So it should be comansense for Pakistan to maintain a counter force to equal out the balance of power? I am not blaming India, every country has the right to determine its defence mecancis.
Comming back to the Taliban's, now After 9/11 the US had its rage in public opinion (that is natural). The first point to clear here is that the head of ISI of that time, offered US a peacefull and gradual capture of Usama Bin Laden, Offcourse they (ISI) had links in Taliban, It was just "Time" required to change there preception's that we needed. We did it in 1940's and we suerly could have done it again. After all the war with the Soviet was "diffrence of opinion". (this was in the news very vagely on CNN also)
But the US wanted retaliated action (for the rage in public opinion) and they start attacking with the help of Northen Alliance, the same force that was fighting against them at the time of Soviet war, against US and the Taliban's (again a negative reaction for the people of Pakistan and Afganistan)... The US goverment never once cleared out the picture to its people that the "preception" that, all Pashtun's are NOT "Taliban's" and all "Taliban's" are NOT terrorists, Infact Taliban is an Ethnic group.
So the US goes ahead with its colation (incld Pakistan) and attacks Afganistan that will suerly result in a diffrence and hatred. People here including me now think that the US govt (not its citizens) is "War Crazy" and lets its guns roll everytime its wants some thing to profit from, after all War is the most favorable thing to happen for big shot military supplier's to profit from?
So US attakcs Afganistan and the hatred spreads, no difrenciation of "threat" and "non threat", Pakhtuns = Taliban = Terrorists policy. This is not the kind of policy or action the forefather's of US made USA for, infact its exactly opposite, But I see the people of the United States forgeting that and most part of for what they achived independence for.
Preception of the people of the USA is being changed/controled with remote keys now (TV). The people of the US are made to belive that Pakistan is not doing anything against Terror, and that the 10billion the US gave to Pakistan have gone down gutter. Please be clarified that the 10Billion is SPREAD over 7 years and that 5Billion of it was reembersment from the US for the services provided BY Pakistan to the US, the US could have gone to anyother country and had the service from there. 2.5Billion of it was meant for health and education and the rest 2.5Billion for military use.
Now the US had actually given Pakistan 2.5Billion dollars to fight terrorism along its almost 1,600 miles of Afgan border most of which is the Tribal area of Pakistan which bytheway has never ever been conquered by any military/army in the world for like 1,000 years and has peaks that go from 5,000m to 18,000m ???? if the US thinks that WE, Pakistani's can STOP Talibans from entring Pakistan and STOP them from gaining control with 2.5Billion the US is kidding her self and lieing to the American public at large, USA has spent more than 150Billion USD fighting the Afgan war in Afganistan and all the US has managed to do in Afganistan is to "capture" what....like 3-4 cities at most? and there to they are living in fotresses, so the US expects us to patrol/control the entire western border with 2.5Billion USA gave us, when US her self knows that she spent 150+billion for the same thing trying to control 3-4 cities? So when we say we need more money to do it the US should get it that we goddamn mean it. And why not, we are in the mess the USA created her self and SHE should pay for it not us. After all the militancy in Pakistan is Because of America's war on terror. the militants get wepons by selling poppy in Afganistan (the ratio of it increased by 1,000% in the 8 years of war, logically because Afgans NEEDED to finance the war) and we for sure are not providing them with wepons to fight our own army, so its crossing from the border, so its Americans fault, as she is "in control of Afganistan, and its borders".... Pakistan arrested and fowarded almost 650 of the top Alqaeda influenced Taliban and Alqaida opratives, how many did the US captured her self with 150 billion?
Media = ISI sharing inteligance with the Taliban's
No braniac is needed to see the common sense in it, ISI and Taliban had ties for 42 or more years, now we should leave them for a friend known to us to betray us? NO my friend's we are not like the US govt, we know that what is "Good Taliban" and whats "Bad Taliban" our inteligance is in the process of unarming the Taliban's (and with force where nesscary, with the help of tribal elder's). but for the peacefull unarming we NEED to have the drone attaks STOPED, so we CAN get them to unarm. I am sitting here and I can guarentee 100% that never in the history of the living world will anybody be able to use force and disarm the north Pakistani Tribes. if you think it can be done you dont know the history or the geo location of the place clearly. The place where even a 10year old carries and makes wepon, how do you "Clarify the enemy"? its BEST to have "Dialugue" and make treaties with tribal elder so they them selves become the part of the solution rather than going against them and making them knowingly the part of the problem.
I want to make one thing clear, Almost every person on the face of the Earth wants to progress and live a happy life, if someone does'nt then he/she must be a mentaly ill person. The sucide bombimg and all, the people are considered unhuman and illitrates. well my friend im all against sucide bombing but dont consider the people (most) unhuman, they are just illitrate's one of the many gifts the US gave to the world for its progress,
I will talk about the Puston's in this matter only (as I have no good knowlage about Palestine). Please first consider the quote I stated in the start "Every country has a culture, a hertiage and a tridition much like America's / Europe's... They decide whats best for them and we decide whats best for us". The Pushton people put Honour first and everything else second, know that, accpet that, its how they live and its how they will live. If the US drones/planes kill (by mistake, which has been done most of the time) a house hold of people lets say by Pashtun demographs 6-15. They the Pushton's have a storngly knitt social stucture, now the house hold that died must have atleast 10-15 house holds (relatives, etc. we here know, and knitt very stongly in families) so take averges here it should produce atleast 7-8 sucide bombers that will attack USA or its colation for honour. Understand this honour, by this YOU any American or what every your natinality is goes to one of that tribe (as a friend) and lives at some ones house, and then someone out of the blue kills you, even on there door steps even when your drinking/eating at a hotel by there money. that person and there gererations to come of him will avenge your death till the end of time, and who were you? a guest with most probably a diffrent religious back ground.
So understand this, Religous extremisum = hyped case of .5% of the people (that include Al Qaida)
Extremisum to protect the fundamentels of societly and to protect young = Law of the Nature.
London bombing = People linked to Pakistan, had Pakistani parents
This is the lamest excuse a country will ever make. Agreed the parents were Pakistani's, BUT the children that DID it were born & breed in the United Kingdom hence citizen's of the United Kingdom. This is just like saying that (taking US for example) an African/European/Italiano/Mexican linked person bombed some where in the US.... After all most of the population of the Us is "Linked" to other countries.
Media = Pakistan the # 1 Nuclear Proliferation Country
USA got nuclear by Proliferating Germans (or was it Russia?), then (I dont remember the list by number) some other country Proliferated USA, then that coutnry was Proliferated, then the other and then the other. So understand that nuclear Proliferation has happened and is happening all to the sole cause of Natioanl security, as the person charged with managing the nuclear program is ONE for any given country (in initial stages), due to the secrecay of it. so if there is any greed from that person or has heart for another country the nuclear assets will Proliferate. I remember some time ago a guy in the USA was charged for nuclear Proliferation, The charges of tresan on him should have had him jailed for 30 years or a death sentence. But all he got was 6 months imporisonment. correct me if im wrong?
So if one of our scietest does it , owww.... we are a bad nation, we cant secure our nuclear assets.... for all the nuclear country ciizens reading this, look into your colars first. The scientest that Proliferated our nuclear wepons unfortunatley happens to be the one who created it for us and is considered a hero here, he is in custody now and wont be Proliferating any further, but he is independent and free from trial. we wont put him on trial, the population loves him, this is our democracy, accept it. We did take lesson from this and the nuclear assets now are in total control of the militray since 1999, and we know it is in good hands now.
Even the US now is starting to accpet this fact (with the news of talking to Taliban's, which should have been done before the war in the first place)
So my friends please stop hating, everyone in the world is as good or as bad as you are. IF there is a person that in your view's is doing wrong, that does not mean that in the views of the society of the person its SHOULD also be considered wrong. Christan's eat pork we wont, We eat Cow Hindus wont, this is diffrence of opinion and beleifs.
Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the USA trying to be the "communist" of the world order (countries)?
Because as per the definition of wekipedia
Communism (from Latin: communis = "common") is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] In political science, the term "communism" is sometimes used to refer to communist states, a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to Marxism-Leninism or a derivative thereof, even if the party does not actually claim that it has already developed communism.
The USA has control over the means of,
A) Production (OIL, Military bases in key parts and countries of the world
B) Property in general (Iraq, Afganistan, Korea, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, and other countries where its troops are deployed and countries are under reforms wanted by the USA)
C) Form of goverment in which the state(here the world) operated under one-party system, the US veto's everything she dislikes, like going to the Iraq war was rejected in the UNO?
D) "even if the party does not actually claim that it has already developed communism"
So before going bashing other countries the USA should see that what it self has become, She started out as the guiding light to moderation and acceptance and now its become the police and biased politicatly and military charged country in the world!
The ONLY country in the WORLD to use nuclear arms till to date is the US of A
I would love to anwer questions but with due time. I will highly appreciate comments.
USA was not made to achive Global policing but for the peace and love for mankind, progress is not always stepping forward, take a step back. Peace out...
