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Taliban talks: Pakistan arrest 'sends militants message'

how so? realistically tell me how is it? For us a balkanized Afghanistan is best! not a united and strong one who is heaven for our enemies!

The previous 40 years, as well as the current situation, has proven that using proxies can turn back on you pretty quickly and badly. Having Afghanistan balkanized and terrorized means that influences of terrorist groups and their activities can find way into Pakistan, and that's exactly what Pakistan was a victim of for so many years.

Peaceful Afghanistan is under Taliban.
That's the only language Afghanis understand and can behave under.

That's what I'm promoting.

Peaceful Afghanistan is under the consensus of all tribes, not a singular faction. That's what everyone has finally realized.

Ok you bring peace in Afghanistan.
How do you fix the now so broken/ corrupt people and as a result a corrupt society.

That's a separate story really. DG ISI, retd, around 1990 to 1992, I believe, and I quote, he said that Afghanistan is divided in many factions, for peace to prevail, there must be consensus between all its factions, that's the only way the war-torn country can come together.
 
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The previous 40 years, as well as the current situation, has proven that using proxies can turn back on you pretty quickly and badly. Having Afghanistan balkanized and terrorized means that influences of terrorist groups and their activities can find way into Pakistan, and that's exactly what Pakistan was a victim of for so many years.



Peaceful Afghanistan is under the consensus of all tribes, not a singular faction. That's what everyone has finally realized.



That's a separate story really. DG ISI, retd, around 1990 to 1992, I believe, and I quote, he said that Afghanistan is divided in many factions, for peace to prevail, there must be consensus between all its factions, that's the only way the war-torn country can come together.
then follow israeli route simply......its the founder of DAESH but has remained unaffected!

u concentrate on complete shut down of border, and press these jahil pakhtoons, if they dont comply, simply kick them out of the country into Afghanistan!

Reality is, we are led my cowards ands timids! who are too big of pussies.
 
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Not a good move to antagonize Taliban at this very movement. It could also have been just a game to milk the US.
 
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then follow israeli route simply......its the founder of DAESH but has remained unaffected!

u concentrate on complete shut down of border, and press these jahil pakhtoons, if they dont comply, simply kick them out of the country into Afghanistan!

Reality is, we are led my cowards ands timids! who are too big of pussies.

Conspiracies, conspiracies, conspiracies. The west created DAESH, any evidence? none. Just big talk, no show. DAESH might have been the by-product of west's actions in the region but it is truly something to say that West is behind the terrorist group's funding and supports it directly, and created it directly, and provide no evidence.

Reality is, as history has shown us, proxies bite back.
Reality is also that iron fist ruling is not appropriate and only produces more problems, it didn't help in medieval Europe, it didn't help in British India, it didn't help in East Pakistan, it didn't help in Egypt. Where did it help exactly? About time we take a history lesson and base our future actions on it.
 
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Conspiracies, conspiracies, conspiracies. The west created DAESH, any evidence? none. Just big talk, no show. DAESH might have been the by-product of west's actions in the region but it is truly something to say that West is behind the terrorist group's funding and supports it directly, and created it directly, and provide no evidence.

Reality is, as history has shown us, proxies bite back.
Reality is also that iron fist ruling is not appropriate and only produces more problems, it didn't help in medieval Europe, it didn't help in British India, it didn't help in East Pakistan, it didn't help in Egypt. Where did it help exactly? About time we take a history lesson and base our future actions on it.
so u dont have a plan.....

All u have is a defeated mindset?
 
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The arrest is true. Monumentally stupid move, if there appears a pattern of coercion towards the Taliban. The Taliban have other backers they can and will go to. Pakistan diminishes its stature at the table by carrying someone else's water.

Nothing will come of it though. Arresting someone from the Taliban means they are of no value or importance to the Taliban anymore. The Taliban just move onto the next leader/ambassador/figure. Arrested Taliban are compromised Taliban for them.

If this is true (it might well be) I would not be surprised. GHQ has never struck me as a place of creativity, vision or much genius.

Instead of building a long term relationship with the Taliban to provide long term benefit (such as finally normalising Afghanistan), they're probably busy trying to play good cop bad cop trying to swindle extra dollars out of the Americans.

The geniuses at GHQ are carrying the water of the same regime participating in the 5th generation warfare against Pakistan - so they say.
 
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so u dont have a plan.....

All u have is a defeated mindset?

What? No. To simply put it, I don't think it is very nice to support only one group for your personal stakes when you know that the situation in the country, in which that group plays a part, has led to bad situation in your country leading to loss of lives and property. If you even had the least bit of decency and actually valued a person's life, you would want the war in the country to come to an end.

Also, just because I believe that ruling by an iron fist doesn't work, doesn't mean I have a defeated mind. I am simply suggesting that it should be the last preference, and we should pursue other methods since this is a defeated method of control, and that is evident in history.
 
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Pakistan has detained a senior Afghan Taliban member in an attempt to put pressure on the militants amid talks with the US, sources in the group say.

Hafez Mohibullah, religious affairs minister when the Taliban ran Afghanistan before 2001, was held in Peshawar, the sources told the BBC.

The US has repeatedly called on Pakistan to end "safe havens" for the Taliban on its soil.

Pakistan denies backing the group to retain influence in Afghanistan.

The reported detention of Hafez Mohibullah comes ahead of a visit to Pakistan by US special representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation, Zalmay Khalilzad, who has held a series of meetings with the Taliban's political office in Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

The US wants Pakistan to encourage the militants to reach a settlement in Afghanistan and bring the 17-year conflict to a close.

There was no immediate response from authorities in Pakistan.

Image captionThe US now relies heavily on air power in Afghanistan
Taliban sources say Hafez Mohibullah had been living in the city for a number of years.

Two high-ranking Taliban figures, talking on condition of anonymity, suggested the former minister had been detained to put pressure on the group into meeting Mr Khalilzad in Pakistan this week, and crucially to agree to meet representatives of Afghan President Ashraf Ghani.


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So far the Taliban have refused to hold direct talks with Afghan officials, whom they dismiss as "puppets" and have only met US officials. Sources within the group say both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been trying to convince the Taliban to change their stance.

One senior Taliban figure told the BBC: "They arrested him [Mohibullah] to send a message."

Another from the group's Quetta Shura, or leadership council, added: "There was a meeting with Pakistani officials on the upcoming peace talks which ended in arguments. Right afterwards, the authorities raided a number of houses and arrested Mohibullah. After that [Taliban leader] Sheikh Hibatullah sent a message warning everyone to be alert."

Previously Taliban officials have said they will only begin talks with the Afghan government once a firm date for the withdrawal of American troops from the country has been agreed.


Media captionTaliban "threaten 70% of Afghanistan", BBC investigation finds
The last set of negotiations between Mr Khalilzad and Taliban representatives took place in Abu Dhabi in December, with Pakistani and Saudi officials present.

A team from the Afghan government also went to the Gulf state but the Taliban refused to meet them.

A source involved in the negotiations said Pakistan had pressed for the talks to take place, and that Saudi officials had tried to persuade the Taliban members to at least shake hands or pray alongside the Afghan government representatives, but were unsuccessful.

Despite Pakistani denials, US and Afghan authorities have in the past consistently accused the country's intelligence services of backing the Taliban. In a tweet in January 2018, US President Donald Trump claimed Pakistan had given "nothing but lies and deceit" in return for American aid.

Analyst Ahmad Rashid told the BBC: "I think there has been a change in Pakistan's policy. The military and ISI [intelligence service] are trying to persuade, cajole the Taliban into meeting both the Americans and Kabul government."

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Image captionThe Taliban have vastly strengthened their hand on the battlefield in recent years
Mr Rashid added: "One of the main pressures [on Pakistan] is coming not from the Americans but from the Saudis and UAE."

Both countries have recently offered Pakistan's struggling economy loans worth billions of dollars.

President Trump is thought to be considering withdrawing a significant portion of the approximately 14,000 US troops currently in Afghanistan, reportedly out of frustration at a lack of progress in the conflict.

Pakistani officials often say the country "no longer has the influence it once had" over the Taliban. But they have also insisted that they want to help create a peaceful and stable Afghanistan.

In October, Pakistan released a founding member of the Taliban, Mullah Barader from detention, reportedly to allow him to play a role in peace negotiations. Maj-Gen Asif Ghafoor, the spokesman for the Pakistani military, told the BBC last year the decision had been made because "any chance which facilitates peace, we should take that chance."

Mr Rashid said, however, that "a great amount of Taliban logistics come through Pakistan" and that it is "not clear whether those supply chains have been stopped".

One former high-ranking Taliban member expressed other doubts over the intentions of the Pakistani authorities - suggesting that in the peace talks the country was trying to propel forward members of the group sympathetic to Pakistani interests as opposed to the official political office in Qatar.

He warned that if there was too much pressure on the Taliban, negotiations might "collapse".

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Who are the Taliban?
The Taliban emerged in the early 1990s following the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, shortly before the demise of the Soviet Union.

The militants went on to rule Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, until they were driven from power by US-led troops following the 9/11 attacks, which the US blamed on al-Qaeda militants who were hosted by the Taliban.

The Taliban's power and reach have surged since foreign combat troops left Afghanistan in 2014.

Research carried out by the BBC in January 2018 suggested that the Taliban were active in almost 70% of Afghanistan at the time, while being in control of 14 districts, or 4% of the country.

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Actually I think that they have arrested him to get him into a safe custody because right now it is not right to have our assets exposed in our own country and we are not doing this for anyone. We are not going to repeat our mistakes our PM repeatedly says that we are not a US hired gun anymore and I think Bajwa Sahab will not let anyone use us again
 
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I hope news is not true. Pissing of Taliban right now will only make our life a living hell. We need to stay away from it.
 
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What? No. To simply put it, I don't think it is very nice to support only one group for your personal stakes when you know that the situation in the country, in which that group plays a part, has led to bad situation in your country leading to loss of lives and property. If you even had the least bit of decency and actually valued a person's life, you would want the war in the country to come to an end.

Also, just because I believe that ruling by an iron fist doesn't work, doesn't mean I have a defeated mind. I am simply suggesting that it should be the last preference, and we should pursue other methods since this is a defeated method of control, and that is evident in history.
whats the benefit of what yr suggesting?

BTW do u know the history of Pakistan-Afghanistan relationship pre 1979 era? when Afghanistan was fine and united?
 
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Not all things are decisive, some things are done to make an impression. This is tge game we have been playing with the US for the past decade, succesfully i might add.
 
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Again I highly doubt that this news is true. It is totally made-up and totally bull shi.t. BBC equals BULL SHIT BROADCASTING SERVICE. And who is responsible for it? The blame squarely lies with the Government of Pakistan and the Agencies in Pakistan who has miserably failed to protect the country and its people from this fake media onslaught. This failure is highly deplorable and shameful, and people and agencies involved should be ashamed of themselves for such a huge failure.
 
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Arm twisting Taliban? Wow, that's the last thing we need. Idiots everywhere!
 
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whats the benefit of what yr suggesting?

BTW do u know the history of Pakistan-Afghanistan relationship pre 1979 era? when Afghanistan was fine and united?

what's the benefit of a peaceful Afghanistan? Uh, end to mass deaths due to terrorism?

Also, do you know Pakistan-Afghanistan relationship pro 1979? Yeah, it's not good at all. Even the Afghan Taliban don't like us, look at interviews.
 
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