Taliban say 'Islamic system' only way to Afghan peace, women's rights

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam


A lot of people seem to be overlooking one thing when asking for giving Afghanistan to the 'Afghans' as opposed to letting the Taliban take over.

The Taliban are looking like an inevitability because they managed to take their country back through war. The Americans aren't leaving because they were able to convince the Taliban of western values or freedom or something.

The Taliban, more than any other group in Afghanistan, kept fighting until the Americans thought the cost of staying was more than the cost of leaving.

Why would the Taliban, who fought two decades for victory just go for elections or power sharing when they know they can take it all. They can take it all and implement whatever form of government they had in mind.

Once they are able to get control of a sufficient territory and start governing, they would start to actually appreciate the value of trade and good relations with others. For now, they are a military force let by military commanders who will be deciding most of the stuff with that mindset.

Once the war is over, the political leaders will start coming forward and the leadership would adjust accordingly in due time.

The best way for Pakistan to exercise influence in Afghanistan - once the war is over - is to give them a lot of economic incentives to make them want to play nice. Trade and cooperation are important.

That is the only real way of changing them for the better both for us and themselves. It will take time but hopefully we'll get there sooner than later.
P.s all the other methods have been tried and have failed.

 

[mqur1963]

Saying Taliban Islam as fundamentalist is wrong, if you want to talk about fundamentalist Islam, here you should read Quran,

This is Fundamentalist Islam, not Taliban or Saudi/Iran version

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How come Taliban is fundamentalist Islam where they dont abide with Quran verses like this :

Quran, As Syura verse 38

"And they respond to their Lord and keep up the Prayer. And they gather amongst each other to conduct their affairs by mutual consultation. And they spend out of what We have given them as sustenance."

Instead they prefer to have war with other Muslim to solve dispute between them where it is also forbidden and cursed

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ALSO IN SURAH MUHAMMED TO STABLISH ISLAMIC LAW YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THE YOUR OWN MUSLIMS WHOS IMAN IN ON THROT NOT IN THE HEART AND IN ISLAM ONLY KHALIFA IS ALLOWED DOMECRASIE BELONG TO INFADELS

 

[PeaceGen]

Saying Taliban Islam as fundamentalist is wrong, if you want to talk about fundamentalist Islam, here you should read Quran,

This is Fundamentalist Islam, not Taliban or Saudi/Iran version

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How come Taliban is fundamentalist Islam where they dont abide with Quran verses like this :

Quran, As Syura verse 38

"And they respond to their Lord and keep up the Prayer. And they gather amongst each other to conduct their affairs by mutual consultation. And they spend out of what We have given them as sustenance."

Instead they prefer to have war with other Muslim to solve dispute between them where it is also forbidden and cursed

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ok.. sorry, i didn't quite know what to classify the taliban as.
what should i be calling them instead?

and by the way, that 2:256 verse is quite beautiful

 

[Michel Niesten]

What will be the consequence for Pakistan if Afghanistan will be rules by Taliban. More violence in Baluchistan because Afghanistan is a safe haven for the terrorist fighting the Pakistan Army? Or would Taliban protect its borders and go for a good relationship with the Pakistan neighbors?

 

[Menthol]

I think many people misunderstand religious teaching and the Holy Book.

Despite it's the same religion, the same Holy Book, and the same prophet, the result for each individual could be different.

It all depends on our personal spiritual level.

There's a person who can easily understand the Holy Book, being a good person and went to heaven, because he has a high spiritual level.

But there's also a person who claims to understand the Holy Book, but doing the opposite (like killing and many other sins) but claimed he is doing what the Holy Book said. Even though he is not doing a great sin, but he is so arrogant and looks down on anybody else because he thinks he is holier and better than all. Being selfish is a sign of a low spiritual level.

The Taliban could be the second type of person, could be... but it could be not.


I don't mind if the Taliban want to take the religious path, to be a Theocracy country.

But the problem is, Is the Taliban have a high enough spiritual level to rule Afghanistan rightly?

Will Afghanistan become a heaven on earth or the opposite, hell on earth?

 

[PeaceGen]

i'm way too tired at the moment to reply in detail on this important topic, i'll do so later today or tomorrow at the latest,

but i do think (at the moment) that the Taliban are still mistaken when they think they can hammer out a deal that unites the laws that moderate Afghans live under with those who are born in areas that are native to the Taliban and thus more fundamentalist.

i've followed the news about what's happening in military terms inside Afghanistan between the people there, and it seems the Taliban is looking to expand it's territory via violence and oppression once again (into the North of Afghanistan).

to me it also seems that trying to unite the primary three forms of Islam in Afghanistan (moderates and fundamentalists and extremists) is a mission with a 100% chance of failure.

so i say once again : let others *choose* which flavor of a religion they want to live by[1], with the permission to switch at any time to another rule-set to live by, so that well-regulated natural migration becomes possible.
the plus sides of this would be : peace, prosperity, rule of law unchallenged, end of wars between followers of any religion that abide to this rule[1], and a very real chance you'll end up with an Islamic democracy which would have multiple political parties and representation in the political and local media that consists of leaders from all groups. law-making could and probably should be left to the local leaders of each municipality.
the down-side : you can't expand your centuries-old territory using violence anymore. No more casualties to celebrate, no more need to die in combat and supposedly be welcome in Allah's Heaven.

take it from someone who is lucky enough never to have seen war happening right in front of me, a lifestyle of 'live and let be', of living by the rules i was taught and/or those which i chose off a bookshelf :
living in peace with your neighbor that happens to live by different rules or goes to a different type of Church, is light-years better than creating / nurturing tensions and war against them.

 

[FuturePAF]

Even prominent ethnic Tajik dispelling the rumor ethnic Tajik women from badakshan being taken and forcibly wed to talib fighters as being portrayed in the international media.

46:20-1:00:35 (full answer out to 1:12:44)

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Stubborn people and dont want to make any compromize, why dont let people to decide instead of keep trying to solve differences through war which is against many verses in Quran

Killing one Muslim will be punished with hell, while making compromize is endorsed in Quran, this Taliban is the one who dont understand Quran

The current government and constitution of Afghanistan is western endorsed and sponsored.

Do you in Indonesia want to live under such setup?

 

[TNT]

LOL if they are so popular so they will not be afraid with democracy which is actually another form of syura that is endorsed in Quran as a way to solve differences in any government.

LOL Why do you say I am against Islam ??? There is nothing wrong with Islam version of current Afghanistan government, I think it is even closer to actual Islam.

Why do we have to keep doing war over small thing like imposing Burqa to women and others while Islam itself doesnt said so

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Please avoid the topic which u have no idea about. How do u know current afghan govt is more closer to Islam? They are the most corrupt regime in the world, they lie, cheat and deciet. They keep young boys for sexual needs, they kill innocent ppl. What is Islamic abt all that? Taliban are popular, even a stupid idiot would know u cannot survive a war against NATO for 20 years if u dont have public support. But that does not mean democracy is a good system, we are a democratic country and i say its a pathetic system where the elite class always rules. Shuraa is an Islamic system, not the current western stupid democratic system.

 

[Sifar zero]

and so taliban are mass murderer terrorists if ghani is not saint then taliban too . if impose sharia then every taliban have to be beheaded first .

There is no beheading in Sharia for any crime. The maximum could be stoning or death but no beheading.
It seems like you get your knowledge of Sharia from white nationalists.

 

[Mentee]

Sure, the Taliban would send an Afghan to the International Space Station and allow Afghan women to participate in the society.

Jamahir bhayia why does only space travel equates to well being of humans? Nature selected homosapiens to live on planet earth . Now when people are dying in numbers due to the artifically created famines across africa and asia what spending trillions to make space liveable brings to the table other than soothing human instinct of controlling and sabotaging the eco system?


Whether on earth Pluto or mars no people can escape Devine Judgment

 

[Super Falcon]

Talibas should not make idiot mistakes of past not letting girls to education there are some parts they themselves violated islamic laws hope they understand islam cannot be forced on but you make laws you cannot make decisions on streets and punish people tgere shoukd be machenism similar of uae and ksa


Im not against any one nor taliban neither usa both have violated general peace in country

 

[Sifar zero]

Talibas should not make idiot mistakes of past not letting girls to education there are some parts they themselves violated islamic laws hope they understand islam cannot be forced on but you make laws you cannot make decisions on streets and punish people tgere shoukd be machenism similar of uae and ksa


Im not against any one nor taliban neither usa both have violated general peace in country

I think the same thing Taliban should allow the females of Afghanistan to study and go out of their houses.

 

[Mentee]

a sect decided to play politics and created controversy and they have been a nuisance since

Abu sufiyan approached the uncle of the Prophet saww, Abbas r.a, that how come hashmis weren't taken on board and suggested to aid an uprising by filling the streets of madinah with militias and horses- ------- Abbas r.a then approached Caliph/Imam Ali r.a who immediatley truned down such insinuation and asked Abbas r.a "uncle are these same militia men who were brought to wage war in badar and uhad"? So in the larger interest of serving Towheed he remained loyal to the subsequent caliphs until he was literally forced to take charge of the land promised by Allah swt to the obedient seed of Prophet Ibrahim A.s -------

Iam gonna leave it at that and Allah swt knows Best

@Muhammed45

 

[newb3e]

Abu sufiyan approached the uncle of the Prophet saww, Abbas r.a, that how come hashmis weren't taken on board and suggested to aid an uprising by filling the streets of madinah with militias and horses- ------- Abbas r.a then approached Caliph/Imam Ali r.a who immediatley truned down such insinuation and asked Abbas r.a "uncle are these same militia men who were brought to wage war in badar and uhad"? So in the larger interest of serving Towheed he remained loyal to the subsequent caliphs until he was literally forced to take charge of the land promised by Allah swt to the obedient seed of Prophet Ibrahim A.s -------

Iam gonna leave it at that and Allah swt knows Best

@Muhammed45

they wernt sect bro!

one sect decided elevate Hazrat Ali (may Allahs blessing be on him) to god like status and divided the whole Ummah that was pure politics and nothing else! we have been divided since just became few though that Hazrat Ali should be caliph and not Hazrat Abu Bakr or Omar or Usman!

but then again if they believed and Hazrat ALi dint become Caliph and dint even protested or rebelled against Abu bakr quit it and stop your politics no they decided to keep on murdering Muslims and divided the whole Ummah! and now this sect has become a tool of Ayatullahs of Irans and are more loyal to him than their own sect!

ps: i have no issue with shias i have issue with their petty politics! and before you bring Sauds to the argument imo Sauds and Ayaullahs should be hanged in public for playing politics in the name of religion they are responsible for deaths of millions of Muslims from both side!