TALIBAN needs India in Afghanistan

[Marxist]

i FeeL Osama is now better than Obama for India's Afghan policy.Taliban may came back to power when US left afghan,so there is nothing wrong in holding talks with them.@mjnaushad dont worry of our bathroom,think abt u r country

 

[DaRk WaVe]

funny how the poster has twisted the heading, so now Taliban wants India in Afgh this means Indians will sit under Taliban Rule? Talk about hypocrisy

 

[CHTYA_nandan]

funny how the poster has twisted the heading,

This is nothing new.

so now Taliban wants India in Afgh

Yes why not. At least they know that we did not create them only to abandon them later. Even an illeterate Tailibani knows that India can be trusted anytime over Pak.

Plus the enormous good will amongst common afghanis that India commands, well the Talibani too use the same roads built by India and also the electricity brought by India. And countless other stuffs.

India has not only bettered the lives of common afghanis but also the Talibans have beneffited by gaining access to some basic human needs being fulfilled by India.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Yes why not. At least they know that we did not create them only to abandon them later. Even an illeterate Tailibani knows that India can be trusted anytime over Pak.

Plus the enormous good will amongst common afghanis that India commands, well the Talibani too use the same roads built by India and also the electricity brought by India. And countless other stuffs.

India has not only bettered the lives of common afghanis but also the Talibans have beneffited by gaining access to some basic human needs being fulfilled by India.

I thought they were "terrorist & India was there to promote secular democracy"

so now Taliban are supporting India because they built roads, The thing is Taliban are desperate for some help so now they are sending signals to India(who's also out of loop in Afgh )

& who says Pak never did any benefit to Afghan people

Allama Iqbal Faculty of Arts Kabul University​

Under construction Jinnah Hospital in Kabul​

 

[CHTYA_nandan]

I thought they were "terrorist & India was there to promote secular democracy"

so now Taliban are supporting India because they built roads, The thing is Taliban are desperate for some help so now they are sending signals to India(who's also out of loop in Afgh )

& who says Pak never did any benefit to Afghan people

Yes no doubt, Talibs are looking out for some attention and sympathy. They have acknowleged the existing good will of India. Why not take them on board if they agree to our terms, disbandon weapons and promote our interets in the region.

 

[prototype]

taliban was pakistan's last weapon in afgan to deter growing indian presence but now even taliban is ready to shake hands with india

but we can only support them if they work in a secular way
if they still want to work in their old style by suppressing and killing people there better they stick with pakistan itself

 

[Mirza Jatt]

i Agree with you 100%

so here is what i suggest pakistan pull out of Afghanistan Mines the Border shoot to kill any Afghan trying to enter our country and then we ship all illegals Afghans in pakistan to india all 2to4million of them as a thank you gift.
Then u guys can help them develop and as soon as these leeches get out of our country and we get peace all over .
our economy will automatically improve as smugling food goods and drugs + terrorist will be thing of yesterday and they will be welcome with open arms in india.

Ha ha ha ...I am not surprisd to hear this from you..it was expected that you'll always want to pass your **** to India...dude,the leeches that you are talking about in your country are the product of Pakistan and american efforts,now since you are suffering from your own acts,you are refusing to accept them...grow up man! answer my post in a manner that shows you have some idea of the situation.

 

[TheEnrichedOne]

Dude.any idea what you are saying?? Taliban seems to be more sensible than you to say that they need India there cause they know India can help them develop.Did they say they need Pakistan there?? No,because they don't want a failed state to worsen the conditions there.

U.S. envoy: Pakistan not a failed state

WASHINGTON - Pakistan is not a failed state but its government is facing tremendous challenges and needs U.S. help to counter Taliban advances, the Obama administration's point man for the region said Tuesday.

Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, told a congressional committee that Pakistan's survival as a moderate, democratic state is critical to U.S. national security.

"Our most vital national security interests are at stake," Holbrooke told the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He said that although Pakistan "is a state under enormous social, political and economic pressures," it "is not a failed state."
Holbrooke was testifying ahead of meetings this week between President Barack Obama and the leaders of Afghanistan and Pakistan during which the administration will press the Pakistanis on combating extremists.

Congress considers aid

Congress is considering a major boost in nonmilitary assistance to Pakistan — $1.5 billion per year over five years — and Holbrooke said success there is key to America's escalating military operation in Afghanistan.

"We need to put the most heavy possible pressure on our friends in Pakistan to join us in the fight against the Taliban and its allies," he said. "We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without Pakistan's support and involvement."

Speaking separately at a Washington think tank, Afghan President Hamid Karzai made a similar point. He said the key to the Taliban's resurgence in recent years is its havens across the border in Pakistan.

"The return of the Taliban is because we did not address the question of sanctuaries in time," Karzai said during a question-and-answer session with an audience of policy experts at the Brookings Institution.

Holbrooke played down suggestions that the administration is backing away from Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari in favor of opposition leader Nawaz Sharif. He praised Zardari for taking politically difficult stands by trying to work with Washington.

"We have not distanced ourselves from President Zardari," he said. "We have the highest strategic interests in supporting this government."

He compared U.S. relations with Sharif to contacts that American officials have with opposition leaders in other countries.

Several lawmakers questioned Holbrooke on Zardari's ability to control his country, with Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., saying "Pakistan's pants are on fire." Holbrooke urged Ackerman and others to speak with Zardari about their concerns while he is in Washington.

Concern about nuclear arsenal

Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will hold two sets of meetings on Wednesday with Zardari and Karzai. Holbrooke said the talks, which will continue at a lower level on Thursday, will be historically important.

Clinton will meet with Zardari and Karzai and their delegations separately at the State Department before bringing them together there. Later, at the White House, Obama will follow the same pattern in talks with the two leaders, according to Holbrooke.

In the meetings, the administration will be seeking assurances that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is safe and that its military intends to face down Taliban and al-Qaida extremists in coordination with Afghanistan and the United States.

Holbrooke declined to address the nuclear issue in open testimony, but other officials have said that while they believe Pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure for the moment, there is acute concern that militants might try to seize one or several of them.

Those anxieties have heightened amid the Taliban's recent advances and Americans worry about the commitment from Pakistan's government and military in battling the extremists, the officials said.

U.S. officials have also expressed concern that Pakistan's military and civilian leaders still regard traditional rival India as the greatest threat to their country and do not appreciate the dangers of rising Taliban and al-Qaida influence in their backyard.

"There is a real and present danger to Pakistan's survival but it comes from inside and not outside the country," Holbrooke said.

U.S. envoy: Pakistan not a failed state - Pakistan - msnbc.com

 

[TheEnrichedOne]

Why do all you Indians use Times of India as your source? Can't find any neutral source to support your arguments? To be honest - I have never seen such horribly written articles till I came to this forum and read Times of India. Take this article for example, the author of this article quotes the Taliban leader by saying "he said" over and over again. The author starts paragraphs by saying "he said." Such poor writing skills...and these are supposedly professionals!

 

[Mirza Jatt]

U.S. envoy: Pakistan not a failed state

WASHINGTON - Pakistan is not a failed state but its government is facing tremendous challenges and needs U.S. help to counter Taliban advances, the Obama administration's point man for the region said Tuesday.

Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, told a congressional committee that Pakistan's survival as a moderate, democratic state is critical to U.S. national security.

"Our most vital national security interests are at stake," Holbrooke told the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He said that although Pakistan "is a state under enormous social, political and economic pressures," it "is not a failed state."
Holbrooke was testifying ahead of meetings this week between President Barack Obama and the leaders of Afghanistan and Pakistan during which the administration will press the Pakistanis on combating extremists.

Congress considers aid

Congress is considering a major boost in nonmilitary assistance to Pakistan — $1.5 billion per year over five years — and Holbrooke said success there is key to America's escalating military operation in Afghanistan.

"We need to put the most heavy possible pressure on our friends in Pakistan to join us in the fight against the Taliban and its allies," he said. "We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without Pakistan's support and involvement."

Speaking separately at a Washington think tank, Afghan President Hamid Karzai made a similar point. He said the key to the Taliban's resurgence in recent years is its havens across the border in Pakistan.

"The return of the Taliban is because we did not address the question of sanctuaries in time," Karzai said during a question-and-answer session with an audience of policy experts at the Brookings Institution.

Holbrooke played down suggestions that the administration is backing away from Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari in favor of opposition leader Nawaz Sharif. He praised Zardari for taking politically difficult stands by trying to work with Washington.

"We have not distanced ourselves from President Zardari," he said. "We have the highest strategic interests in supporting this government."

He compared U.S. relations with Sharif to contacts that American officials have with opposition leaders in other countries.

Several lawmakers questioned Holbrooke on Zardari's ability to control his country, with Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., saying "Pakistan's pants are on fire." Holbrooke urged Ackerman and others to speak with Zardari about their concerns while he is in Washington.

Concern about nuclear arsenal

Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will hold two sets of meetings on Wednesday with Zardari and Karzai. Holbrooke said the talks, which will continue at a lower level on Thursday, will be historically important.

Clinton will meet with Zardari and Karzai and their delegations separately at the State Department before bringing them together there. Later, at the White House, Obama will follow the same pattern in talks with the two leaders, according to Holbrooke.

In the meetings, the administration will be seeking assurances that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is safe and that its military intends to face down Taliban and al-Qaida extremists in coordination with Afghanistan and the United States.

Holbrooke declined to address the nuclear issue in open testimony, but other officials have said that while they believe Pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure for the moment, there is acute concern that militants might try to seize one or several of them.

Those anxieties have heightened amid the Taliban's recent advances and Americans worry about the commitment from Pakistan's government and military in battling the extremists, the officials said.

U.S. officials have also expressed concern that Pakistan's military and civilian leaders still regard traditional rival India as the greatest threat to their country and do not appreciate the dangers of rising Taliban and al-Qaida influence in their backyard.

"There is a real and present danger to Pakistan's survival but it comes from inside and not outside the country," Holbrooke said.

U.S. envoy: Pakistan not a failed state - Pakistan - msnbc.com

Is that all all that you wanted to prove ..that Pakistan is not a failed state??? ok buddy we'll discuss this in the other thread is there where we have wasted hours proving that its a failed state..I am not going to do that again,because it all goes in vain..BTW my post was on Taliban needing India in Afghanistan.

 

[ice_man]

ohh the poor indian got so excited!! they forgot to read the following lines:

“If the Taliban return to power, we would like to maintain normal relations with countries including India. It’s possible for the Taliban and India to reconcile with each other,” Mujahid said.

it means they want to deal with ALL countries & governments! just like they used to previously!

if you remember the 1999 hijacking of the indian airlines! the taliban government were in direct contact with the indians & were assisting the indian government!

indians are expecting something "new"!! nothing will be new! the taliban never fought with india during the 90s did it????

 

[Mirza Jatt]

ohh the poor indian got so excited!! they forgot to read the following lines:

“If the Taliban return to power, we would like to maintain normal relations with countries including India. It’s possible for the Taliban and India to reconcile with each other,” Mujahid said.

it means they want to deal with ALL countries & governments! just like they used to previously!

if you remember the 1999 hijacking of the indian airlines! the taliban government were in direct contact with the indians & were assisting the indian government!

indians are expecting something "new"!! nothing will be new! the taliban never fought with india during the 90s did it????

Is that it buddy?? i have no issues in agreeing with you that only proves that Taliban wants India to be there(smart Taliban)..and thats we have been focussing...so thank you !
and as far as the fight with Taliban is concerned...its what Pakistan is doing with Taliban..so (1) they don't want you there cause they are fighting with you (2) they know that you are of no use for Afghanistan's development...now don't ask me to prove why Pakistan can't help Afghanistan to develop.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

but we can only support them if they work in a secular way
if they still want to work in their old style by suppressing and killing people there better they stick with pakistan itself

Why not take them on board if they agree to our terms, disbandon weapons and promote our interets in the region.

The Good & Bad Taliban BUT now we have Moderate Taliban hmm

 

[mjnaushad]

so by your logic....Pakistan should stop participating in UN peace keeping forces...considering the security situation in Pakistan....where terrorists almost strike at will...and people diealmost everyday...andPakistan is running short of troops to fight terrorists..as claimed by pakistani oficials in a recent message to western countries.

When you fight for UN you get paid by UN as far i know. few thousand troops out of 700000 no big deal. But when millions in your own country dont have place to **** and you doing humanitarian works in a country which you dont even have a border with do raises suspects.

 

[mjnaushad]

Is that all all that you wanted to prove ..that Pakistan is not a failed state??? ok buddy we'll discuss this in the other thread is there where we have wasted hours proving that its a failed state..I am not going to do that again,because it all goes in vain..BTW my post was on Taliban needing India in Afghanistan.

Thats what i am saying.

Taliban needs INDIA IN AFGHANISTAN.

No ones denying it. They sure do need india......