Taiwan and China’s Presidents Will Meet for the First Time

[HRM YANG]

Both mainland and Kwo Ming Tang are preparing for the victory of DPP in 2016, and scenario which would follow

 

[Sasquatch]

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This, that is why I mentioned once the DPP comes in power China should ensure the remaining countries that recognize it break off relations and speed up the military modernization related to Taipei.

 

[TaiShang]

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This, that is why I mentioned once the DPP comes in power China should ensure the remaining countries that recognize it break off relations and speed up the military modernization related to Taipei.

There are some 23 countries still recognize Taiwan but they are on the financial rope. Once/if China extends a little bit a sweeter carrot, they will break away from Taiwan in no time.

At the moment, Mainland does not want to create tension, but, this is definitely one of the trump cards Beijing holds should Taibei does something illogical.

Here, I witness KMT and DPP are getting closer in rhetoric and policy. I do not anticipate a major shift in policy vis-a-vis cross-Strait relations.

Taibei, like many other countries/areas, are in the waiting mode. Everybody is watching how China-US global competition will end up before they make major changes in their current political posture. The little over-excited ones like VN and PH do not really make much difference.

 

[Jlaw]

There are some 23 countries still recognize Taiwan but they are on the financial rope. Once/if China extends a little bit a sweeter carrot, they will break away from Taiwan in no time.

At the moment, Mainland does not want to create tension, but, this is definitely one of the trump cards Beijing holds should Taibei does something illogical.

Here, I witness KMT and DPP are getting closer in rhetoric and policy. I do not anticipate a major shift in policy vis-a-vis cross-Strait relations.

Taibei, like many other countries/areas, are in the waiting mode. Everybody is watching how China-US global competition will end up before they make major changes in their current political posture. The little over-excited ones like VN and PH do not really make much difference.

But it would be in the best interest for China if Taiwan declared independence. It's a gift from heaven.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

But it would be in the best interest for China if Taiwan declared independence. It's a gift from heaven.

That's why most of us actually root for the DPP.

 

[Zsari]

Whole world applauds Xi-Ma cross-straits meeting
Published: 2015-11-4 14:17:30

Mainland authorities announced early Wednesday that Chinese President Xi Jinping and Taiwanese leader Ma Ying-jeou will meet in Singapore on Saturday to exchanges views on the peaceful development across the Straits. The Xi-Ma meeting is a major breakthrough of the relations between Taiwan and the mainland. It will exert a positive influence on the island's future policy toward the mainland and set a firm foundation for way the world perceives this relationship.

Since the Wang-Koo meeting in 1993, the level of meetings between leaders from the two sides has been getting higher, but no breakthrough has formed yet, mainly because it is difficult to define their identities and titles. Taiwan has hoped to identify its leaders as "president," to which the mainland will not agree. This is not only a matter of identity, but a matter of the essence of mainland-Taiwan relations.

Zhang Zhijun, head of the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council, revealed that Xi and Ma will meet as the "leaders" of both sides. This is a result of negotiation in line with the one-China principle when the political differences between the two sides have not been solved.

Xi and Ma call each other "Mister." This will be a unique phenomenon in top meetings.

Although such practical arrangement has temporarily shelved the problem, it will create a space for both sides to resolve the problem in future. The Taiwan question will generally develop into three directions - maintaining the status quo, stepping into unification, or realizing the so-called "Taiwan Independence."

It is impossible for the cross-Straits relationship to maintain exactly the "status quo." It, under influence from various forces, is changing all the time. "Taiwan independence" has been driven by only interior extreme forces. Their current running rampant is a bubble in the course of history. The counter thrusts include the mainland's increasingly powerful clout and the positive mainstream forces from Taiwan itself. The world is also anticipating closer cross-Straits ties. These forces are shaping the big picture of closer relations between both sides.

Xi's political appeal has impressed both sides of the straits and the whole world. The meeting, which has been long anticipated, has finally been realized in Xi's first-term in office. His appeal is essential for taking steps to realize great rejuvenation of Chinese nation.

We should give Ma warm applause for his willingness to move toward the meeting. With seven months left in office, the 1992 Consensus is well being upheld, and the cross-Straits cooperation is becoming prosperous. Although Ma has become somewhat controversial due to his performance on Taiwan's internal governance, still, positive factors of cross-Straits ties are highly likely to have a longer influence on Taiwan's future path than Ma's term, which will outweigh the complicated politics on the island.

The pan-green camp in Taiwan has made immediate objections to the upcoming meeting between Xi and Ma, hoping to take public opinion into their control. However, they should be aware that the historical meeting is supported by the whole world, including the US, and they are displaying jiggery-pokery from a small circle. Such extremism won't last for long in the big global trend. It will be bound to be stigmatized.

The Xi-Ma meeting is making Chinese worldwide excited. The whole of international society is also very interested in seeing the two sides taking a pragmatic step forward. Applause will break out all over the globe. It will be a victory of peace, a victory of rationality.

Ma is a lame duck and KMT is about to lose the election. What's the point of the meeting? It is already said that no agreement will be signed and no joint statement will be issued. Looks to me like Beijing still wants to help the KMT, however pointless that is.

There are some 23 countries still recognize Taiwan but they are on the financial rope. Once/if China extends a little bit a sweeter carrot, they will break away from Taiwan in no time.

At the moment, Mainland does not want to create tension, but, this is definitely one of the trump cards Beijing holds should Taibei does something illogical.

Here, I witness KMT and DPP are getting closer in rhetoric and policy. I do not anticipate a major shift in policy vis-a-vis cross-Strait relations.

Taibei, like many other countries/areas, are in the waiting mode. Everybody is watching how China-US global competition will end up before they make major changes in their current political posture. The little over-excited ones like VN and PH do not really make much difference.

I won't call it a trump card, but it would be the first action to take if Tsai step out of line or if Beijing intends, it can also be used to test a respond from Tsai or even force her into action.
Right now there is a diplomatic truce so to speak between Beijing and Taipei, so even though there are nations that express their desire to switch recognition, Beijing puts them on hold.

 

[TaiShang]

Entrepreneurs urged to advance cross-Strait relations
November 5, 2015

Yu Zhengsheng, delivered opening remarks at the third Zijinshan Summit for Entrepreneurs across the Taiwan Strait in Nanjing, capital of east China's Jiangsu Province on Nov. 3, 2015. [Photo / Xinhua]


Senior official Yu Zhengsheng on Wednesday called on entrepreneurs from both the mainland and Taiwan to contribute to advancing cross-Strait relations and opposing "Taiwan independence."

Yu made the remarks in a speech delivered at the closing of the third Zijinshan Summit for Entrepreneurs across the Taiwan Strait in Nanjing, capital of east China's Jiangsu Province. Yu is a member of the Standing Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee Political Bureau and head of China's top political advisory body.

The peaceful development of mainland-Taiwan relations has not been easy and the most important factor must always be commitment to the political foundation -- upholding the 1992 Consensus centering on the one-China principle and opposing "Taiwan independence," said Yu. "Entrepreneurs across the Strait must make due contribution to safeguarding such common foundation."

If the foundation is abandoned, cross-Strait relations will suffer and the interests of people on both sides will be damaged, Yu added.

"All political parties and the public should put the interests of the nation and people first and choose the correct path," Yu told more than 850 business leaders, industry and commerce group officials and economists.

Yu called on them to be confident of the prospects of cross-Strait economic cooperation and encouraged them by the mainland's huge potential and resilience, mentioning the latest proposal for the 13th Five-Year Plan, the "Belt and Road" initiative and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

He also called for closer and higher-level cooperation and encouraged more people to participate.

The Zijinshan Summit was first held in 2008. In 2013, the mainland and Taiwan each set up councils dedicated to the platform for business exchange and cooperation.

The participants announced a shared initiative after the summit, which would expand cooperation to cover sectors including energy, mechanical equipment, technology, finance and health.

The two sides will actively explore how Taiwan's middle- and small-sized companies can participate in the mainland-initiated "Belt and Road" initiative and other programs.

Entrepreneurs will also discuss cooperation in oil and gas; solar photovoltaic; and environment protection. They will promote the signing of an agreement on organ donation across the Strait, the initiative said.

 

[Abacin]

But it would be in the best interest for China if Taiwan declared independence. It's a gift from heaven.

If DPP could declare independence, this would a windfall for China. Currently the two sides separate due to competition of two systems. If DPP could declare independence, this becomes Chinese vs. Chinese enemy. You would see many Taiwanese Army and politicians switching sides, even including many DPP members. This will be one of the easiest war for PLA.

Many DPP members are simply anti-KMT and even follow CPP's traditions. Deng made a mistake in 1980s. He overestimated KMT. To compromise with KMT, he sacrificed CPP's taiwan division. Many of them had to switch to DPP. Even Chen Shui-Bian was happy to have a photo together with portrait of Mao when he visited mainland in 1991.

DPP was formed by two groups of people. one group, based on poor Taiwanese such Chen Shui-Bian, sharing many thoughts with Mao and CCP, go for anti-KMT just as CCP went anti-KMT in mainland; the other group, shared interest with Japanese colonizer, such as Chai Yi-Wen, go for anti-KMT because their interests got hurt with Taiwan backing to China. Deng made a mistake, enabling KMT to bond unification with KMT interest group.

If CCP could divide DPP and let the pro-unification wing in DPP back to track, then you would rapid movement toward unification. Unfortunately Taiwan policy is not working very well. We have to go to the other extreme to turn back everything.

China's Taiwan policy should focus more on poor Taiwanese, instead of big capitalists. During last three decades, CCP focused too much on money and lost some of its traditions.

Hopefully President Xi can turn this around, just as he reversed one child policy.

 

[hexagonsnow]

Taiwan wants what?Maybe Xi have a lots of quiz for Ma. In personal opinion, I dont hope the CCP need to surrender part of the profits for Taiwan.With the economic go down, Taiwan 's politics will go confusion more,that will be a new situation for mainland.Let taiwan suck in the economic fall and discuss about Taiwan's advantage of politic system.

 

[TaiShang]

Taiwan wants what?Maybe Xi have a lots of quiz for Ma. In personal opinion, I dont hope the CCP need to surrender part of the profits for Taiwan.With the economic go down, Taiwan 's politics will go confusion more,that will be a new situation for mainland.Let taiwan suck in the economic fall and discuss about Taiwan's advantage of politic system.

The strategy should be one of geopolitical isolation and economic dependency. Geopolitical isolation will tame the extremists in the politics and society. Economic dependency will generate a desertion trap in such a way that Beijing holds the ultimate economy card. Economy reins supreme here, I would say, even political situation is secondary.

This is especially so for new graduates that have difficulty in finding a proper/secure job.

 

[Dungeness]

Taiwan and China’s Presidents Will Meet for the First Time | The Diplomat

Meh meeting could be cancelled, don't expect to much.

His party is losing support and the DPP is likely to win the next election, I expect Xi to take a more hard line policy including having the remaining countries that recognize the ROC to shift their embassies like Gambia did, and speeding up military modernization related to Taipei.

My personal opinions:

1. Declares that missiles are not targeting Taiwan, better yet, withdraw all or part from the front line;
2. Deprive the preferential treatments from any pro-independent Taiwanese business;
3. Demand the reciprocal treatment on customs duty and market access from Taiwan.

 

[Jlaw]

If DPP could declare independence, this would a windfall for China. Currently the two sides separate due to competition of two systems. If DPP could declare independence, this becomes Chinese vs. Chinese enemy. You would see many Taiwanese Army and politicians switching sides, even including many DPP members. This will be one of the easiest war for PLA.

Many DPP members are simply anti-KMT and even follow CPP's traditions. Deng made a mistake in 1980s. He overestimated KMT. To compromise with KMT, he sacrificed CPP's taiwan division. Many of them had to switch to DPP. Even Chen Shui-Bian was happy to have a photo together with portrait of Mao when he visited mainland in 1991.

DPP was formed by two groups of people. one group, based on poor Taiwanese such Chen Shui-Bian, sharing many thoughts with Mao and CCP, go for anti-KMT just as CCP went anti-KMT in mainland; the other group, shared interest with Japanese colonizer, such as Chai Yi-Wen, go for anti-KMT because their interests got hurt with Taiwan backing to China. Deng made a mistake, enabling KMT to bond unification with KMT interest group.

If CCP could divide DPP and let the pro-unification wing in DPP back to track, then you would rapid movement toward unification. Unfortunately Taiwan policy is not working very well. We have to go to the other extreme to turn back everything.

China's Taiwan policy should focus more on poor Taiwanese, instead of big capitalists. During last three decades, CCP focused too much on money and lost some of its traditions.

Hopefully President Xi can turn this around, just as he reversed one child policy.

Divide and conquer. Chinese generally speaking are not good at this compare to the west.

The strategy should be one of geopolitical isolation and economic dependency. Geopolitical isolation will tame the extremists in the politics and society. Economic dependency will generate a desertion trap in such a way that Beijing holds the ultimate economy card. Economy reins supreme here, I would say, even political situation is secondary.

This is especially so for new graduates that have difficulty in finding a proper/secure job.

Economics can only go so far. By isolating Taiwan if that is the case, there will be more hatred for China. Should DPP win and declare independence, a combination of economics and a swift war will need to unite Taiwan.

There is no other way to sugar coat this.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Singapore do have a close but "low-key" relationship with China. Their neighbors, however, are more worried about the US warships docked at Singapore port. The tiny city-state is a master of diplomacy-strategy game.

And that tiny city-state should remember their true origins.

They should look in a mirror and realize they are not Malays, they are not Indons. They are ethnic Chinese, even if they no longer have ties to their ancestral lands.

Taiwan is a different case, not only are they ethnic Chinese but they are living on Chinese soil. And the soil is ours, even if they no longer want to consider themselves Chinese.