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We Thought You Were Muslim, MP Police Tells Assaulted Lawyer as Apology
In a 14 minutes long audio recorded by the victim, an ASI of the Betul Police can be heard saying that the cops were ashamed of their action after they came to know that they have beaten their Hindu brother.
Kashif Kakvi

20 May 2020


Deepak Bundele


Bhopal: Two months after Deepak Bundele, an advocate and former journalist, was brutally assaulted by the Madhya Pradesh’s Betul Police on March 23, an Assistant Sub-Inspector of Kotwali Police Station in Betul district, BS Patel, approached the victim to record his statement. However, he allegedly tried to convince Bundele to withdraw the case saying that the cops had mistaken him for a Muslim since he has a long beard and assaulted him. But, the cop added, they were ashamed of the incident after they came to know that they had beaten their ‘Hindu brother’.

Bundele was on his way to the government hospital for diabetes treatment, a day before the countrywide lockdown was announced, when the assault occurred. Miffed with the incident and after the district police denied to register the case, he wrote to the State Human Rights Commission; Chief Justice of Madhya Pradesh High Court; Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan; Vivek Johri, Director General of Police, Madhya Pradesh; and SP Betul to register an FIR against the police officials and take punitive action against them.

In the wake of COVID-19 pandemic outbreak, section 144 had been imposed in Betul district and public movement was restricted when the incident had occurred.

Talking to Bundele, ASI Patel had said, “We seek an apology on behalf of those officials [who assaulted Bundele]. We are truly embarrassed because of the incident. If you want, I can bring those officials and make them apologise in person to you. They mistook you as a Muslim and assaulted you, since you had a long beard. And the man (who assaulted you) is a kattar (staunch) Hindu…In Hindu-Muslim riots whenever a Muslim is arrested, they beat them up brutally, always,” the police official can be heard saying in an audio recording shared by the victim.

In the 14 minutes long audio, he further said, “I request to you to withdraw the complaint. Please agree to our request; understand that we are living in Gandhi’s country; we are all Gandhi’s children…I have at least 50 friends from your caste.”

The cop continued, “All those people are ashamed that they did something like this to a Hindu brother without knowing his identity. We do not have any enmity against you. Whenever there is a Hindu-Muslim riot, police always supports the Hindus; even Muslims know this. But whatever happened with you was because of ignorance. For that, I have no words.”

Also read: COVID-19: MP Court Sends 69 Tablighi Jamaat Members to Judicial Custody

Refuting ASI Patel’s claim, Bundele claimed that there was no Hindu-Muslim riot that day, and asked whether he was beaten for being wrongly identified as a Muslim. The police officials agreed, and said: “Yes, exactly.”

“When I constantly declined to withdraw the compliant, he indirectly threatened me saying, ‘Agree to our request, else you and your advocate brother will face consequences’,” Bundele claimed.

When contacted Betul SP DS Bhadoriya said, “I’m not aware of this audio clip. I will taken strict action, if I receive any such complain.”

Bundele said that he has written to the DGP and other senior police officials with details about the incident.

THE ASSAULT
On March 23 evening, when Bundele was on his way to a hospital for the treatment, Betul Police allegedly thrashed him. The 32-year-old advocate had worked as a journalist for various dailies in Madhya Pradesh’s state capital for a decade. He moved to Betul in 2017 and started practising in the district court with his brother. “I have been a patient of diabetes and blood pressure for the last 15 years. On March 23, since I was not feeling well, I decided to visit the hospital and get some medicines. But I was stopped by the police midway,” Bundele had said.

Even though the advocate, who sports a beard, said that he explained to police personnel that he had to get his medicines but one of them slapped him without trying to listen to what he was saying. “When I protested and said that police have no right to beat the public, they got anxious and within no time, many police officials came and started beating me up with sticks,” he added.

"I need constant medication and lifesaving medicines to survive and I told the policemen everything while they were assaulting me. But, they kept hitting me, even after I fell,” he said, adding, "I bled for almost a 2-3 days after the incident.”

Bundele, sustained multiple injuries and his ear bled for almost two days after the incident, but, Betul police denied to file an FIR in the incident.

‘WILL MOVE TO THE HIGH COURT’
“Even after two months of the incident, no FIR has been registered and it seems that police is trying to sweep the matter under the carpet,” Bundele said, adding, “I have talked to the Supreme Court’s veteran advocate Vivek Tankha and Ehtesham Hashmi and will take this matter to the court.”

He also raised serious concerns about the communal angle of the incident, saying, “It’s a matter of grave concern that the police is turning communal and targeting a particular community.”

Also read: MP CM Blames ‘Jamaatis’ for COVID-19 Spread, Health Dept. Says Less Than 4% Tablighi Jamaat Members

@xeuss @AfrazulMandal @SecularNationalist @Mangus Ortus Novem @Joe Shearer @TheGreatMaratha @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

 

[Chakar The Great]

Thats sad. I honestly don't know the solution to this growing Islamophobia in India, it is rotting the Indian society from inside. Its not going to end well, trust me.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thats sad. I honestly don't know the solution to this growing Islamophobia in India, it is rotting the Indian society from inside. Its not going to end well, trust me.

I come from a different generation.

In the 50s, there was an entire armed police formation that was dissolved because it was found to be rank communal. This was the UP armed constabulary, the PAC. They got corrupted to the point where they made an assault on a Muslim locality without any orders, in a tense situation when they had been deployed, and murdered several dozens of Muslims. The horror that this caused led to their being outright dissolved; it was apparent that the rot had set in too deep.

The point is that there is neither an inner core of Islamophobia, nor the development of a dangerous inclination towards Islamophobia. There is an inherent tendency towards violence in the colonial police that we have inherited and done nothing to rectify, and that tendency is equally evident in Pakistan. I am not going to reduce this thread to one where two sides are formed and each trots out a list of offences committed by institutions, groups or individuals on the other, but any Pakistani reading this knows that to be true.

Within this tendency to violence, there are vulnerable sections of society and there are others. Some of the Supreme Court's restrictions on the police power to handcuff or to bind people came in because of public disgust at the way that the Bihar Police was used to dealing with Dalit prisoners; matters came to a head with the picture of one suspect being transported to a police station from a crime spot, where the suspect was slung by tied hands and tied feet from a wooden pole and carried by two policemen in the manner of palki bearers. It is clear that after nearly two decades of BJP administration, Madhya Pradesh Police have become used to treating Muslims as a vulnerable sector about whom nobody will raise a finger in defence.

This is an aberration, one that needs swift and immediate attention, but it is an aberration.

That does not do away with the need for constant vigilance in all states at all levels on Islamophobia - actually, Muslim-phobia is a more accurate word - as it has to be attacked at that moment, and not months later. What the DGP in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands did was typical of this Muslim-phobia, and he is likely to get away with it, because courts of law are clogged to the point where they can effectively do nothing.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

It is best for a new partition of India.

Well minded people in India should support this, and eventually help gain political relevance.

This is no way to live.

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We Thought You Were Muslim, MP Police Tells Assaulted Lawyer as Apology
In a 14 minutes long audio recorded by the victim, an ASI of the Betul Police can be heard saying that the cops were ashamed of their action after they came to know that they have beaten their Hindu brother.
Kashif Kakvi

20 May 2020


Deepak Bundele


Bhopal: Two months after Deepak Bundele, an advocate and former journalist, was brutally assaulted by the Madhya Pradesh’s Betul Police on March 23, an Assistant Sub-Inspector of Kotwali Police Station in Betul district, BS Patel, approached the victim to record his statement. However, he allegedly tried to convince Bundele to withdraw the case saying that the cops had mistaken him for a Muslim since he has a long beard and assaulted him. But, the cop added, they were ashamed of the incident after they came to know that they had beaten their ‘Hindu brother’.

Bundele was on his way to the government hospital for diabetes treatment, a day before the countrywide lockdown was announced, when the assault occurred. Miffed with the incident and after the district police denied to register the case, he wrote to the State Human Rights Commission; Chief Justice of Madhya Pradesh High Court; Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan; Vivek Johri, Director General of Police, Madhya Pradesh; and SP Betul to register an FIR against the police officials and take punitive action against them.

In the wake of COVID-19 pandemic outbreak, section 144 had been imposed in Betul district and public movement was restricted when the incident had occurred.

Talking to Bundele, ASI Patel had said, “We seek an apology on behalf of those officials [who assaulted Bundele]. We are truly embarrassed because of the incident. If you want, I can bring those officials and make them apologise in person to you. They mistook you as a Muslim and assaulted you, since you had a long beard. And the man (who assaulted you) is a kattar (staunch) Hindu…In Hindu-Muslim riots whenever a Muslim is arrested, they beat them up brutally, always,” the police official can be heard saying in an audio recording shared by the victim.

In the 14 minutes long audio, he further said, “I request to you to withdraw the complaint. Please agree to our request; understand that we are living in Gandhi’s country; we are all Gandhi’s children…I have at least 50 friends from your caste.”

The cop continued, “All those people are ashamed that they did something like this to a Hindu brother without knowing his identity. We do not have any enmity against you. Whenever there is a Hindu-Muslim riot, police always supports the Hindus; even Muslims know this. But whatever happened with you was because of ignorance. For that, I have no words.”

Also read: COVID-19: MP Court Sends 69 Tablighi Jamaat Members to Judicial Custody

Refuting ASI Patel’s claim, Bundele claimed that there was no Hindu-Muslim riot that day, and asked whether he was beaten for being wrongly identified as a Muslim. The police officials agreed, and said: “Yes, exactly.”

“When I constantly declined to withdraw the compliant, he indirectly threatened me saying, ‘Agree to our request, else you and your advocate brother will face consequences’,” Bundele claimed.

When contacted Betul SP DS Bhadoriya said, “I’m not aware of this audio clip. I will taken strict action, if I receive any such complain.”

Bundele said that he has written to the DGP and other senior police officials with details about the incident.

THE ASSAULT
On March 23 evening, when Bundele was on his way to a hospital for the treatment, Betul Police allegedly thrashed him. The 32-year-old advocate had worked as a journalist for various dailies in Madhya Pradesh’s state capital for a decade. He moved to Betul in 2017 and started practising in the district court with his brother. “I have been a patient of diabetes and blood pressure for the last 15 years. On March 23, since I was not feeling well, I decided to visit the hospital and get some medicines. But I was stopped by the police midway,” Bundele had said.

Even though the advocate, who sports a beard, said that he explained to police personnel that he had to get his medicines but one of them slapped him without trying to listen to what he was saying. “When I protested and said that police have no right to beat the public, they got anxious and within no time, many police officials came and started beating me up with sticks,” he added.

"I need constant medication and lifesaving medicines to survive and I told the policemen everything while they were assaulting me. But, they kept hitting me, even after I fell,” he said, adding, "I bled for almost a 2-3 days after the incident.”

Bundele, sustained multiple injuries and his ear bled for almost two days after the incident, but, Betul police denied to file an FIR in the incident.

‘WILL MOVE TO THE HIGH COURT’
“Even after two months of the incident, no FIR has been registered and it seems that police is trying to sweep the matter under the carpet,” Bundele said, adding, “I have talked to the Supreme Court’s veteran advocate Vivek Tankha and Ehtesham Hashmi and will take this matter to the court.”

He also raised serious concerns about the communal angle of the incident, saying, “It’s a matter of grave concern that the police is turning communal and targeting a particular community.”

Also read: MP CM Blames ‘Jamaatis’ for COVID-19 Spread, Health Dept. Says Less Than 4% Tablighi Jamaat Members

@xeuss @AfrazulMandal @SecularNationalist @Mangus Ortus Novem @Joe Shearer @TheGreatMaratha @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

If one wants to penalise Islamophobia, almost 70% of the Indian population will be behind bars.

It is better, hence, to just negotiate on a permanent land transfer that allows Muslims to live free and the rest to rot in bigotry, albeit in peace.

I come from a different generation.

In the 50s, there was an entire armed police formation that was dissolved because it was found to be rank communal. This was the UP armed constabulary, the PAC. They got corrupted to the point where they made an assault on a Muslim locality without any orders, in a tense situation when they had been deployed, and murdered several dozens of Muslims. The horror that this caused led to their being outright dissolved; it was apparent that the rot had set in too deep.

The point is that there is neither an inner core of Islamophobia, nor the development of a dangerous inclination towards Islamophobia. There is an inherent tendency towards violence in the colonial police that we have inherited and done nothing to rectify, and that tendency is equally evident in Pakistan. I am not going to reduce this thread to one where two sides are formed and each trots out a list of offences committed by institutions, groups or individuals on the other, but any Pakistani reading this knows that to be true.

Within this tendency to violence, there are vulnerable sections of society and there are others. Some of the Supreme Court's restrictions on the police power to handcuff or to bind people came in because of public disgust at the way that the Bihar Police was used to dealing with Dalit prisoners; matters came to a head with the picture of one suspect being transported to a police station from a crime spot, where the suspect was slung by tied hands and tied feet from a wooden pole and carried by two policemen in the manner of palki bearers. It is clear that after nearly two decades of BJP administration, Madhya Pradesh Police have become used to treating Muslims as a vulnerable sector about whom nobody will raise a finger in defence.

This is an aberration, one that needs swift and immediate attention, but it is an aberration.

That does not do away with the need for constant vigilance in all states at all levels on Islamophobia - actually, Muslim-phobia is a more accurate word - as it has to be attacked at that moment, and not months later. What the DGP in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands did was typical of this Muslim-phobia, and he is likely to get away with it, because courts of law are clogged to the point where they can effectively do nothing.

Your generation has been defeated.

In the 50s, the ruling classes were secular. At least largely secular (those building Somnath temple were not, obviously). The people were mostly Sanghi.

Today, all are Sanghis.

Thats sad. I honestly don't know the solution to this growing Islamophobia in India, it is rotting the Indian society from inside. Its not going to end well, trust me.

It will end terribly for us.

For Sanghis, not sure.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

I come from a different generation.

In the 50s, there was an entire armed police formation that was dissolved because it was found to be rank communal. This was the UP armed constabulary, the PAC. They got corrupted to the point where they made an assault on a Muslim locality without any orders, in a tense situation when they had been deployed, and murdered several dozens of Muslims. The horror that this caused led to their being outright dissolved; it was apparent that the rot had set in too deep.

The point is that there is neither an inner core of Islamophobia, nor the development of a dangerous inclination towards Islamophobia. There is an inherent tendency towards violence in the colonial police that we have inherited and done nothing to rectify, and that tendency is equally evident in Pakistan. I am not going to reduce this thread to one where two sides are formed and each trots out a list of offences committed by institutions, groups or individuals on the other, but any Pakistani reading this knows that to be true.

Within this tendency to violence, there are vulnerable sections of society and there are others. Some of the Supreme Court's restrictions on the police power to handcuff or to bind people came in because of public disgust at the way that the Bihar Police was used to dealing with Dalit prisoners; matters came to a head with the picture of one suspect being transported to a police station from a crime spot, where the suspect was slung by tied hands and tied feet from a wooden pole and carried by two policemen in the manner of palki bearers. It is clear that after nearly two decades of BJP administration, Madhya Pradesh Police have become used to treating Muslims as a vulnerable sector about whom nobody will raise a finger in defence.

This is an aberration, one that needs swift and immediate attention, but it is an aberration.

That does not do away with the need for constant vigilance in all states at all levels on Islamophobia - actually, Muslim-phobia is a more accurate word - as it has to be attacked at that moment, and not months later. What the DGP in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands did was typical of this Muslim-phobia, and he is likely to get away with it, because courts of law are clogged to the point where they can effectively do nothing.

That was a different generation. Though you can be more accurate on this matter my friend was saying back in congressi days in bengal it was really communal however things changed considerably under communist rule . Communist failed miserably in many cases but in terms of keeping religious tension out of state they were hugely successful that is why even during 1984 Sikhs were saved and I remember sikhs hail Jyoti Basu in high esteem for that. But recent happenings in bengal too is worrisome.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

It is best for a new partition of India.

Well minded people in India should support this, and eventually help gain political relevance.

This is no way to live.


If one wants to penalise Islamophobia, almost 70% of the Indian population will be behind bars.

It is better, hence, to just negotiate on a permanent land transfer that allows Muslims to live free and the rest to rot in bigotry, albeit in peace.


Your generation has been defeated.

In the 50s, the ruling classes were secular. At least largely secular (those building Somnath temple were not, obviously). The people were mostly Sanghi.

Today, all are Sanghis.


It will end terribly for us.

For Sanghis, not sure.

Easy to talk and harder to do. There is no feasible possibility of what you are thinking in any way.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That was a different generation. Though you can be more accurate on this matter my friend was saying back in congressi days in bengal it was really communal however things changed considerably under communist rule . Communist failed miserably in many cases but in terms of keeping religious tension out of state they were hugely successful that is why even during 1984 Sikhs were saved and I remember sikhs hail Jyoti Basu in high esteem for that. But recent happenings in bengal too is worrisome.

Not communal, it was out of control. Those last terrible days under Congress rule - I am referring to the Prafulla Sen/ Atulya Ghosh days, not the later Siddhartha Ray regime - was completely out of control. But when you say it was communal, I disagree, vehemently. I have already quoted Mubashir Javaid on the subject; that was the last communal riot (there was another that people forget, in 1992, but that was radically different).

It is true that this was brought under tight control under Communist rule; there was not even a breath of communalism, and yes, it is true that the Sikhs were safe in Bengal when they were being hounded everywhere else.

What is happening now in Bengal is an organised attempt by the BJP/RSS to discredit Mamata Bannerjee and topple her government.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

I come from a different generation.

In the 50s, there was an entire armed police formation that was dissolved because it was found to be rank communal. This was the UP armed constabulary, the PAC. They got corrupted to the point where they made an assault on a Muslim locality without any orders, in a tense situation when they had been deployed, and murdered several dozens of Muslims. The horror that this caused led to their being outright dissolved; it was apparent that the rot had set in too deep.

The point is that there is neither an inner core of Islamophobia, nor the development of a dangerous inclination towards Islamophobia. There is an inherent tendency towards violence in the colonial police that we have inherited and done nothing to rectify, and that tendency is equally evident in Pakistan. I am not going to reduce this thread to one where two sides are formed and each trots out a list of offences committed by institutions, groups or individuals on the other, but any Pakistani reading this knows that to be true.

Within this tendency to violence, there are vulnerable sections of society and there are others. Some of the Supreme Court's restrictions on the police power to handcuff or to bind people came in because of public disgust at the way that the Bihar Police was used to dealing with Dalit prisoners; matters came to a head with the picture of one suspect being transported to a police station from a crime spot, where the suspect was slung by tied hands and tied feet from a wooden pole and carried by two policemen in the manner of palki bearers. It is clear that after nearly two decades of BJP administration, Madhya Pradesh Police have become used to treating Muslims as a vulnerable sector about whom nobody will raise a finger in defence.

This is an aberration, one that needs swift and immediate attention, but it is an aberration.

That does not do away with the need for constant vigilance in all states at all levels on Islamophobia - actually, Muslim-phobia is a more accurate word - as it has to be attacked at that moment, and not months later. What the DGP in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands did was typical of this Muslim-phobia, and he is likely to get away with it, because courts of law are clogged to the point where they can effectively do nothing.

Pakistani Police are not Communal

 

[Joe Shearer]

Pakistani Police are not Communal

Whatever floats your boat.

Their being communal might, to some minds, imply the existence of other communities.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

Not communal, it was out of control. Those last terrible days under Congress rule - I am referring to the Prafulla Sen/ Atulya Ghosh days, not the later Siddhartha Ray regime - was completely out of control. But when you say it was communal, I disagree, vehemently. I have already quoted Mubashir Javaid on the subject; that was the last communal riot (there was another that people forget, in 1992, but that was radically different).

It is true that this was brought under tight control under Communist rule; there was not even a breath of communalism, and yes, it is true that the Sikhs were safe in Bengal when they were being hounded everywhere else.

What is happening now in Bengal is an organised attempt by the BJP/RSS to discredit Mamata Bannerjee and topple her government.

Not communal, it was out of control. Those last terrible days under Congress rule - I am referring to the Prafulla Sen/ Atulya Ghosh days, not the later Siddhartha Ray regime - was completely out of control. But when you say it was communal, I disagree, vehemently. I have already quoted Mubashir Javaid on the subject; that was the last communal riot (there was another that people forget, in 1992, but that was radically different).

It is true that this was brought under tight control under Communist rule; there was not even a breath of communalism, and yes, it is true that the Sikhs were safe in Bengal when they were being hounded everywhere else.

What is happening now in Bengal is an organised attempt by the BJP/RSS to discredit Mamata Bannerjee and topple her government.

I disagree with the fact about Mamta not responsible she is also responsible to some extent she helped BJP in gaining grounds in bengal as she tried to eliminate other parties. However recent incidents proved her administration is doing good in arresting culprits in communal riots same cannot be said for northern and even many southern , western or eastern states.

 

[xeuss]

This is an aberration, one that needs swift and immediate attention, but it is an aberration.

Have you ever given thought that maybe your generation was the aberration? And that this is always how it was?

I have posted this before, so apologies if you have seen it. But this is an interesting quote from Krishna Prasad, former editor at Outlook:

"...And I think there is no rational answer for what has happened, except that we pretended to be what we were for fifty, sixty years. But we are now reverting to what we always wanted to be, which is to pummel minorities, to push them into a corner, to show them their places, to conquer Kashmir..."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil-in-narendra-modis-india

 

[Joe Shearer]

Have you ever given thought that maybe your generation was the aberration? And that this is always how it was?

I have posted this before, so apologies if you have seen it. But this is an interesting quote from Krishna Prasad, former editor at Outlook:

"...And I think there is no rational answer for what has happened, except that we pretended to be what we were for fifty, sixty years. But we are now reverting to what we always wanted to be, which is to pummel minorities, to push them into a corner, to show them their places, to conquer Kashmir..."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil-in-narendra-modis-india

That's a popular theory, favoured by the right-wing and those of the left-wing who have surrendered. I don't agree, and that is why I wrote that elaborate analysis that came to you.

Have you ever given thought that maybe your generation was the aberration? And that this is always how it was?

I have posted this before, so apologies if you have seen it. But this is an interesting quote from Krishna Prasad, former editor at Outlook:

"...And I think there is no rational answer for what has happened, except that we pretended to be what we were for fifty, sixty years. But we are now reverting to what we always wanted to be, which is to pummel minorities, to push them into a corner, to show them their places, to conquer Kashmir..."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil-in-narendra-modis-india

It is dead wrong. I have explained why in my note.

 

[xeuss]

That's a popular theory, favoured by the right-wing and those of the left-wing who have surrendered. I don't agree, and that is why I wrote that elaborate analysis that came to you.



It is dead wrong. I have explained why in my note.

Did you ever finish that?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Did you ever finish that?

I didn't put in the corrections suggested by those who read it. But what you got was complete.