Strengthen military relations to shift Indo-Bangla ties to new level

[Nilgiri]

Good to see i hit a real nice raw nerve with you and you resort to memes now like a chump.

Try eating something other than rice paddy boy....it might help to get your IQ into double digit territory.

 

[45'22']

Bangladesh should buy some jf17 from China to counter the Jf17 Myanmar is supposed to buy from Pakistan

 

[livingdead]

we need defence cooperation with all friendly countries including bd. as to weapon systems, I dont think we have good enough weapon system to offer at affordable price. it makes sense to buy chinese, in any case bd does not face any existential threat, so can invest high percent of its money on developing better quality of life for its citizen.

 

[Nilgiri]

Its an Indian talking about strengthening military relation by selling. We arent going to buy any weapons from India but they are welcome to gift their goodies so that we can test them.

Key word is selling. Like we are selling nearly 7 billion USD worth of things to you every year and you sell next to nothing to us in return.

We are not going to gift anything away. At most we will give you a loan (that must be repaid) to help finance such arms....and even that is quite unlikely given we get more bang for the buck (like your handle) by involving ourselves in your politics. You can buy your tiny amounts of hardware from whoever you choose....be it rusty training subs or a handful of yaks and what not. It definitely does not come anywhere close to 7 billion USD (Soon to increase to 10 billion) yearly. Why should we antagonise the relations between SHW and BD military any further?

This is what the OP author does not understand. Many Indian Bengalis (and Indians in general too) still do not understand just how entrenched the suspicion, mistrust, outright hate and ungratefulness are in Bangladesh military for their massive neighbour.....so of course we can expect such articles from time to time. Does not mean its going to amount to anything.

 

[bongbang]

Key word is selling. Like we are selling nearly 7 billion USD worth of things to you every year

Proper areas import from rural area a lot. Our surrounding Indian states are barren pieces of lands. India may not do enough to help them but we will surely as historically we are connected.

you sell next to nothing to us in return.

Same like India sell next to nothing to China in return imports massive $50b worth of items.

 

[Nilgiri]

Proper areas import from rural area a lot. Our surrounding Indian states are barren pieces of lands. India may not do enough to help them but we will surely as historically we are connected.

"Barren pieces of land". Yes they are not underwater all the time. Is that what you mean by barren?

They don't want or require your "help"....beyond conventional economic ties.

Same like India sell next to nothing to China in return imports massive $50b worth of items.

India exports are lately nearing 7 billion USD to Bangladesh. Bangladesh exports about 500 million USD to India lately. That is 14: 1 in favour of us. 500 million USD is definitely next to nothing. Plus look at the trend:

Exports to India not rising despite efforts | The Daily Star

India exports about 16 billion to China and China exports about 58 billion in 2014. That is nowhere near a ratio of 14:1. Rather it is about 3.5 to 1.

If you were exporting the same ratio to us like we do with China, your exports would be around 2 billion USD (4 times higher)....not a measly 500 million USD....and 16 billion is definitely not next to nothing like 500 million USD is (even if you include the population difference).

Its fine, you are helping to finance the illegals you have living in India through the major trade deficit you have with us.

 

[bongbang]

Its fine, you are helping to finance the illegals you have living in India through the major trade deficit you have with us.

Its no problem our net profit isnt that bad. We are using our lands for export oriented industrialization, for that Indians are using their lands for cheap raw agriculture (suiciding in large number though) and sending cheap electricity where their mid states are powerless, BD has no electricity cut though. And last of all our illegal migrants sending back most of the money lost.
Why Bangladesh leads in remittance outflow from India | Business Standard News

 

[Nilgiri]

We are using our lands for export oriented industrialization

Your single focus on RMG does not mean "industrialisation". Bangladesh cannot produce one major industrial item that matters.

Look at your total industrial output for instance...and look at whats it comprises. It can only really change from 2030 onwards when you have enough economic margins to invest and enough skilled human capital.

Till then you rely on importing Indian talent for many important managerial and high end expertise and the cost of doing that means you have little to expand into major industrial production...be it heavy, medium or light.

Thats why such a thing like a nuclear power plant is something you have to rely on the source to give you a loan (and on their terms and costs - which is again going to sap margins from B'desh over quite a long time).

for that Indians are using their lands for cheap raw agriculture (suiciding in large number though)

Define large number? Their suicide rates are actually lower than the overall suicide rate for the whole country.

You really want to compare the agricultural production and consumption between the two countries especially on per capita basis?

and sending cheap electricity where their mid states are powerless, BD has no electricity cut though.

Who cares when your population barely has decent access to electricity to begin with?

Access to electricity (% of population) | Data | Table

Besides look at the facts of your crappy electricity infrastructure (BD has "no power cuts" LOL):

ADB Loan Helps Bangladesh Address Severe Power Shortages | Asian Development Bank

UPDATE 2-Bangladesh power cut plunges millions into darkness| Reuters

Electricity sector in Bangladesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A 2014 news report stated that:

Bangladesh is considered one of the most arousing energy growth nations. More than a third of Bangladesh's 166 million people still have no access to electricity, while the country often is able to produce only some of its 11,500-megawatt generation capacity.[3]

In generating and distributing electricity, the failure to adequately manage the load leads to extensive load shedding which results in severe disruption in the industrial production and other economic activities. A recent survey reveals that power outages result in a loss of industrial output worth $1 billion a year which reduces the GDP growth by about half a percentage point in Bangladesh. A major hurdle in efficiently delivering power is caused by the inefficient distribution system. It is estimated that the total transmission and distribution losses in Bangladesh amount to one-third of the total generation, the value of which is equal to US $247 million per year.

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Now compare to our clear targets which are being accomplished:

Electrification works in 3,286 villages completed so far: Piyush Goyal | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Piyush Goyal pushes Rural electrification at Lightning Speed

India's ambitious plan to electrify all villages by 2017 is now accountable through a mobile app - SocialStory - SocialStory

Besides if I really wanted to embarrass you, all that needs to be done is to compare the per capita use of electricity in both countries.

Electric power consumption (kWh per capita) | Data | Table

744 kwh per capita versus 279 kwh in 2012. Almost 3 times more per capita. In fact its probably at that level (3 or 4 times) by now and growing further apart as we continue to grow way faster than you on all energy consumption parameters.

And last of all our illegal migrants sending back most of the money lost.

Thats why I said it helps to balance. But then Indian professionals working in Bangladesh send back a decent amount of money as well back to India....you can ask @Rain Man and @Roybot about this....so overall the net money flow is heavily in India's favour.

 

[tsinga]

Your single focus on RMG does not mean "industrialisation". Bangladesh cannot produce one major industrial item that matters.

Look at your total industrial output for instance...and look at whats it comprises. It can only really change from 2030 onwards when you have enough economic margins to invest and enough skilled human capital.

Till then you rely on importing Indian talent for many important managerial and high end expertise and the cost of doing that means you have little to expand into major industrial production...be it heavy, medium or light.

Thats why such a thing like a nuclear power plant is something you have to rely on the source to give you a loan (and on their terms and costs - which is again going to sap margins from B'desh over quite a long time).



Define large number? Their suicide rates are actually lower than the overall suicide rate for the whole country.

You really want to compare the agricultural production and consumption between the two countries especially on per capita basis?



Who cares when your population barely has decent access to electricity to begin with?

Access to electricity (% of population) | Data | Table

Besides look at the facts of your crappy electricity infrastructure (BD has "no power cuts" LOL):

ADB Loan Helps Bangladesh Address Severe Power Shortages | Asian Development Bank

UPDATE 2-Bangladesh power cut plunges millions into darkness| Reuters

Electricity sector in Bangladesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A 2014 news report stated that:

Bangladesh is considered one of the most arousing energy growth nations. More than a third of Bangladesh's 166 million people still have no access to electricity, while the country often is able to produce only some of its 11,500-megawatt generation capacity.[3]

In generating and distributing electricity, the failure to adequately manage the load leads to extensive load shedding which results in severe disruption in the industrial production and other economic activities. A recent survey reveals that power outages result in a loss of industrial output worth $1 billion a year which reduces the GDP growth by about half a percentage point in Bangladesh. A major hurdle in efficiently delivering power is caused by the inefficient distribution system. It is estimated that the total transmission and distribution losses in Bangladesh amount to one-third of the total generation, the value of which is equal to US $247 million per year.

============

Now compare to our clear targets which are being accomplished:

Electrification works in 3,286 villages completed so far: Piyush Goyal | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Piyush Goyal pushes Rural electrification at Lightning Speed

India's ambitious plan to electrify all villages by 2017 is now accountable through a mobile app - SocialStory - SocialStory

Besides if I really wanted to embarrass you, all that needs to be done is to compare the per capita use of electricity in both countries.

Electric power consumption (kWh per capita) | Data | Table

744 kwh per capita versus 279 kwh in 2012. Almost 3 times more per capita. In fact its probably at that level (3 or 4 times) by now and growing further apart as we continue to grow way faster than you on all energy consumption parameters.



Thats why I said it helps to balance. But then Indian professionals working in Bangladesh send back a decent amount of money as well back to India....you can ask @Rain Man and @Roybot about this....so overall the net money flow is heavily in India's favour.

Buddy, why the down putting of Bangladeshis by you ?

What you are doing is not something pleasant. How do you feel when the Chinese do the same to Indians?
Granted you might feel that maybe some Bangladeshi wrote something stupid, why does that make you respond like this? Or is your ego so fragile you need to respond and 'show them their place' ?

We are a poor country, Bangladesh is poorer still. You gain absolutely nothing by putting them down despite some idiot posters.

You realize one simple fact -that if Bangladesh does not improve itself, India will constantly have a migration problem? It is in our most vital interests to see that Bangladesh prospers.

 

[dray]

@MBI Munshi @asad71 hapless Bangladesh is getting colonized by the evil baniyas!!!

 

[asad71]

1.India refuses to understand that BD is an overwhelming Muslim nation which does not find any conflict between being a Muslim and being a Bengali. Beside the numbers, Islam is a vibrant, growing reformist / revolutionary movement. It has been overtaking all around easily for centuries. This has resulted in a concentration of around 400 mlln Muslims in and around BD.
2. India tries with all its money, charm and tricks to keep us frozen in '71. But for how long? The 1971 War began as a Sepoy Mutiny in response to PA's stupid action in trying to disarm and shoot at Bengali soldiers of PA and EPR. Things rolled on from there evolving into a full-fledged civil war leading to secession and independence BAL hijacked this revolt in mid-course although neither its leader, SM, nor the party itself had any plans, programs or preparation for an armed revolution..At fag end India barged in superimposing itself at the head of all!!!
3. Defense of BD and Pakistan are complimentary. Whatever wedge India introduces into this will not last. Pakistan is a leader of the Muslim world and the most powerful regional Muslim nation. It was established to look after the interests of SA Asian Muslims - that is Muslims living in the area stretching from the Sulaiman Mtns to the Arakan Yoma Ranges.
4. China has been and will remain our good friend. China's friendship is important for all SA Muslims.
5. It is in our national interest to support the NE FFs. The connectivity India sponsors is meaningless unless it travels beyond India - into China, Pakistan, Iran, etc.
6. Indian planners and think-tanks are foolish to bank on the most hated leader and her party in BD. The result is increasing hatred for India and Indians.

 

[Nilgiri]

Buddy, why the down putting of Bangladeshis by you ?

They are tough guys, bongbang especially. Not all debates and discussions can be sunshine and roses....especially when they want people to continually gift them things. That complex is a very bad thing for Bangladesh.

 

[bongbang]

Your single focus on RMG does not mean "industrialisation". Bangladesh cannot produce one major industrial item that matters.

Look at your total industrial output for instance...and look at whats it comprises. It can only really change from 2030 onwards when you have enough economic margins to invest and enough skilled human capital.

Till then you rely on importing Indian talent for many important managerial and high end expertise and the cost of doing that means you have little to expand into major industrial production...be it heavy, medium or light.

Thats why such a thing like a nuclear power plant is something you have to rely on the source to give you a loan (and on their terms and costs - which is again going to sap margins from B'desh over quite a long time).



Define large number? Their suicide rates are actually lower than the overall suicide rate for the whole country.

You really want to compare the agricultural production and consumption between the two countries especially on per capita basis?



Who cares when your population barely has decent access to electricity to begin with?

Access to electricity (% of population) | Data | Table

Besides look at the facts of your crappy electricity infrastructure (BD has "no power cuts" LOL):

ADB Loan Helps Bangladesh Address Severe Power Shortages | Asian Development Bank

UPDATE 2-Bangladesh power cut plunges millions into darkness| Reuters

Electricity sector in Bangladesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A 2014 news report stated that:

Bangladesh is considered one of the most arousing energy growth nations. More than a third of Bangladesh's 166 million people still have no access to electricity, while the country often is able to produce only some of its 11,500-megawatt generation capacity.[3]

In generating and distributing electricity, the failure to adequately manage the load leads to extensive load shedding which results in severe disruption in the industrial production and other economic activities. A recent survey reveals that power outages result in a loss of industrial output worth $1 billion a year which reduces the GDP growth by about half a percentage point in Bangladesh. A major hurdle in efficiently delivering power is caused by the inefficient distribution system. It is estimated that the total transmission and distribution losses in Bangladesh amount to one-third of the total generation, the value of which is equal to US $247 million per year.

============

Now compare to our clear targets which are being accomplished:

Electrification works in 3,286 villages completed so far: Piyush Goyal | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Piyush Goyal pushes Rural electrification at Lightning Speed

India's ambitious plan to electrify all villages by 2017 is now accountable through a mobile app - SocialStory - SocialStory

Besides if I really wanted to embarrass you, all that needs to be done is to compare the per capita use of electricity in both countries.

Electric power consumption (kWh per capita) | Data | Table

744 kwh per capita versus 279 kwh in 2012. Almost 3 times more per capita. In fact its probably at that level (3 or 4 times) by now and growing further apart as we continue to grow way faster than you on all energy consumption parameters.



Thats why I said it helps to balance. But then Indian professionals working in Bangladesh send back a decent amount of money as well back to India....you can ask @Rain Man and @Roybot about this....so overall the net money flow is heavily in India's favour.

You distract from original point too much and derail threads in so many other ways that it gets impossible to reply point by point. Just replying back to prove my point. BD gets cheap cotton, yarn etc raw RMG supplementary items from India. Which adds in Indian export earning. But in BD's case we dont consider desi country like India a foreign land and consider the trade as local. And trading between our local destinations profit margin is very less. Which top exporters dont consider. Another thing is cow and other livestock from which we get leather. These are some of the important raw items by processing which we multiply the export earning more than what we imported from India. Also consider sugar, organic items by which we send processed foods even to India, limestone for cement which we also send back to India, coal, imported power from India which is used in electricity which is supplementary to export and comfort.

And how BD is controlled external people has not enough idea. Like PK has 500unit per capita. Still has less export than BD. And its taught to Bangladeshis to switch off if not needed or dont waste unwanted. So people use less on their own. And all RMG factories or big industries in BD has captive power plants so they may be not calculated correctly what is BD's total generation. Also BD has huge solar use in rural and urban areas. And irrigation is done through solar powered motors and gov gave mandatory option to install solar if people wanted new flats. There is no shortage of electricity but gas.

“We have limitation to providing gas and you will not get gas connection in captive power plants since there is enough power to provide for RMG industry, but we would consider drier and boiler machines for gas,” BGMEA Vice-President Mohammed Nair told the Dhaka Tribune quoting PM. - See more at: http://www.dhakatribune.com/busines...factories-economic-zones#sthash.ZjjLeB1q.dpuf

And 74 percent people of BD has now electricity connection

Power generation capacity more than doubled from 4,942MW in 2009 to 13,883MW currently, with around 74 percent of the population having access to electricity.
http://www.bssnews.net/newsDetails.php?cat=0&id=545136&date=2016-01-09

 

[Nilgiri]

You distract from original point too much and derail threads in so many other ways that it gets impossible to reply point by point. Just replying back to prove my point. BD gets cheap cotton, yarn etc raw RMG supplementary items from India. Which adds in Indian export earning. But in BD's case we dont consider desi country like India a foreign land and consider the trade as local. And trading between our local destinations profit margin is very less. Which top exporters dont consider. Another thing is cow and other livestock from which we get leather. These are some of the important raw items by processing which we multiply the export earning more than what we imported from India. Also consider sugar, organic items by which we send processed foods even to India, limestone for cement which we also send back to India, coal, imported power from India which is used in electricity which is supplementary to export and comfort.

And how BD is controlled external people has not enough idea. Like PK has 500unit per capita. Still has less export than BD. And its taught to Bangladeshis to switch off if not needed or dont waste unwanted. So people use less on their own. And all RMG factories or big industries in BD has captive power plants so they may be not calculated correctly what is BD's total generation. Also BD has huge solar use in rural and urban areas. And irrigation is done through solar powered motors and gov gave mandatory option to install solar if people wanted new flats. There is no shortage of electricity but gas.

At the end of the day we are not giving you anything military for free. Facebook "think tanks" talking about selling military hardware to B'desh is fine....but nothing is going to be given as a handout....certainly not for "trial" or any other purpose.

No one is questioning the jugaad capabilities of B'deshis and south asians in general. But in the end we have a higher base to begin with and are growing at a higher rate as well. It will take a long long time for B'desh to be able to diversify its industrial production (if at all - given world is turning more services based especially where land resources are at premium)....so I would suggest not indulging in such terminology as saying neighbouring Indian states are "barren" and need Bangladesh help....because India has achieved industries 10 years ago that Bangladesh will not achieve 10 years from now. Stick to RMG and light industry + services.... you cannot make steel, vehicles, hi tech, materials engineering and anything of that nature in any appreciable way (in heavy and medium industry) given your severe lack of top tier education to manage, evolve and grow such industries organically and profitably like Indian private conglomerates are doing alongside the traditional PSUs that initiated them many decades earlier.

So comparing electricity and the likes between the two is going to be a world of disparity. For starters we generate and consume more than 25 times the amount of electricity than you with only about 7 times the population of yours.

 

[asad71]

A sovereign nation must work out its own threat assessment independently. BD cannot tell India what are the possible sources of threat to her national security, her culture and her economy. If cost were the only consideration then India and Pakistan ought to buy from each other - to be able to eventually shoot at each other. For some reason or the other this RAW sponsored think-tank has forgotten BD is a sovereign country. They also do not realize that we have a military only to defend ourselves against a possible Indian invasion