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Stop blaming Jinnah, Pakistan for India’s wrongs today: Yasser Hamdani rebuts Zainab Sikander

What Jinnah gave was an absolute monopoly to hindus over vast of lands of Indian sub-continent and you should realize that. Now Hindus absolutely control the larger landmass called India and all you can do is thank Jinnah for building a small colony for your lot. With the ascent of Hindutva, Hindus are literally bullying you on all fronts and all you can do is rant in the international forums to no avail. Even the brotherly muslim countries of yours have ditched you for Hindu India.

Infact deep down, even the Hindutva lot thank Jinnah for gifting them the absolute control of India. Now you can ponder over it.

You are doing a hindsight analysis, which is extremely selective in nature. Real question is not that why Quaid e Azam and Muslim League presented the idea of Pakistan; but that why almost 75% of Muslims of British India voted for this idea, leading to a landslide victory of Muslim League on Muslim seats, both in Central and Provincial Assemblies, in 1945-46 elections. Pakistan was not made on the mere wish of Quaid, but on the footing of the results of these elections.

You better unearth the graves of those Muslims and ask them that why they voted for Pakistan?
 
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You are doing a hindsight analysis, which is extremely selective in nature. Real question is not that why Quaid e Azam and Muslim League presented the idea of Pakistan; but that why almost 75% of Muslims of British India voted for this idea, leading to a landslide victory of Muslim League on Muslim seats, both in Central and Provincial Assemblies, in 1945-46 elections. Pakistan was not made on the mere wish of Quaid, but on the footing of the results of these elections.

You better unearth the graves of those Muslims and ask them that why they voted for Pakistan?

86% of adult Muslims in British India did not even have the right to vote.

Source: https://www.huffingtonpost.in/rupa-...hat-most-indian-muslims-wanted-pa_a_22488885/
 
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What Jinnah gave was an absolute monopoly to hindus over vast of lands of Indian sub-continent and you should realize that. Now Hindus absolutely control the larger landmass called India and all you can do is thank Jinnah for building a small colony for your lot. With the ascent of Hindutva, Hindus are literally bullying you on all fronts and all you can do is rant in the international forums to no avail. Even the brotherly muslim countries of yours have ditched you for Hindu India.

Infact deep down, even the Hindutva lot thank Jinnah for gifting them the absolute control of India. Now you can ponder over it.

Correction, you lot are only bullying dalits and muslims of India. Lol And there is no question of leaving anyone behind because 90% of Pakistanis have no ethnic relation with mainland Indians.

Pakistan control heartland of Indus valley and have cut off India from western euroasia. Its not small.
 
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What Jinnah gave was an absolute monopoly to hindus over vast of lands of Indian sub-continent and you should realize that. Now Hindus absolutely control the larger landmass called India and all you can do is thank Jinnah for building a small colony for your lot. With the ascent of Hindutva, Hindus are literally bullying you on all fronts and all you can do is rant in the international forums to no avail. Even the brotherly muslim countries of yours have ditched you for Hindu India.

Infact deep down, even the Hindutva lot thank Jinnah for gifting them the absolute control of India. Now you can ponder over it.

The only reason Hindutva is in a position to bully Pakistan and brotherly muslim countries are not taking stand is because the Indian Muslims will be the collateral damage if India is squeezed. Indian Muslims gave this leverage to Hindus by leaving themselves at their mercy and because of this blunder the hands of rest of the Muslims are tied. If your India was totally Hindu Rashtra, it would have been overrun a long time ago. The biggest hurdle in the liberation of J&K is Indian Muslims. Every time Pakistan decides to make a move on Kashmir, Indian Muslims starts crying out of the fear of hindu retaliation and Pakistan cannot muster the support of other muslims countries. Indian Muslims handed over their balls willingly to Hindus. Don't blame Jinnah for it.
 
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86% of adult Muslims in British India did not even have the right to vote.

Source: https://www.huffingtonpost.in/rupa-...hat-most-indian-muslims-wanted-pa_a_22488885/

That is besides the point. It was a select franchise, which was accepted, by all the political parties of British India. It was the same select franchise, on the basis of which Congress asked British to quit India in 1942. Congress acquired all it's political power from this limited franchise and British recognized that power. Power to Congress was also transferred, in 1947, on the basis of same limited franchise.

You and Indian Muslims must accept that the idea of Pakistan had taken deep roots in the minds of Indian Muslims of that generation, even in those, who knew that they would never be able to live in that country. If today's Indian Muslims think otherwise; it cannot be transported, back in time. The Muslims of 1947 used their political prerogative, as they willed.
 
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The only reason Hindutva is in a position to bully Pakistan and brotherly muslim countries are not taking stand is because the Indian Muslims will be the collateral damage if India is squeezed. Indian Muslims gave this leverage to Hindus by leaving themselves at their mercy and because of this blunder the hands of rest of the Muslims are tied. If your India was totally Hindu Rashtra, it would have been overrun a long time ago. The biggest hurdle in the liberation of J&K is Indian Muslims. Every time Pakistan decides to make a move on Kashmir, Indian Muslims starts crying out of the fear of hindu retaliation and Pakistan cannot muster the support of other muslims countries. Indian Muslims handed over their balls willingly to Hindus. Don't blame Jinnah for it.
Look.. now you are hiding your in-competencies by bringing in Indian muslims. Many if not majority of Pakistanis hate and insult Indian muslims. And that can be seen right here in this forum. India is already a Pseudo Hindu Rashtra, so what are you waiting for? You made moves in 1965, 1999 and still continue to do so though through proxies, so don't give that excuse. Just because you are unable to get the support of your brotherly muslims countries, you are finding a scapegoat in Indian muslims.

You and Indian Muslims must accept that the idea of Pakistan had taken deep roots in the minds of Indian Muslims of that generation
You are assuming this, you have no basis to support it..

Read the article below.

Facts Don't Back The Argument That Most Indian Muslims Wanted Partition
86% of adult Muslims in British India did not even have the right to vote.
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Was there overwhelming support for Pakistan among the Muslims of undivided India?

Lately, some in India have been asserting this. As evidence, they refer to statistics from the 1946 provincial assembly elections, in which the Muslim League captured 4.5 million of about 6 million Muslim votes. On the face of it, this would seem to suggest that 75% of Indian Muslims voted for the Muslim League and its demand for Pakistan.

This claim glosses over the crucial fact that the 1946 elections, based on the Sixth Schedule of the1935 Government of India Act, had a limited franchise, which means that only a small percentage of adults—those with money and property—were eligible to vote. In fact, only 3% of the population could vote for the Central Assembly and only 13% could vote for the Provincial Assemblies. That means only 30 million people could vote in assembly elections out of a total adult population of 120 million.

[T]hese election results tell us only that a little more than 10% of the adult Muslim population expressed their support for Pakistan by voting for the Muslim League.

Putting these numbers together, the upshot is that out of a total of 94 million Muslims in India, according to the 1941 census, less than 7% had the right to vote, or about 14% of the adult population. This means that 86% of adult Muslims in British India did not have the right to vote.

Consequently, it is misleading to invoke 75% support for the Muslim League among Muslim voters in the 1946 assembly elections to infer that a similar percentage of Indian Muslims supported the party and therefore the cause of Pakistan. The truth is that these election results tell us only that a little more than 10% of the adult Muslim population expressed their support for Pakistan by voting for the Muslim League. Likewise about 4% of the adult Muslim population did not support the Muslim League.

The crucial point is that 86% of Indian Muslims did not have the right to vote, and we in turn do not have the right to infer they would have voted in the same proportion as those who were allowed to vote — which is the assumption you would have to make to infer 75% of Indian Muslims supported Pakistan.

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If anything, there are reasons to believe that the 75% support for the Muslim League over-represented the support among the general population. The reason is that the Muslim League's demand for Pakistan was a cause embraced by the Muslim elite, the very same people who were allowed to vote and were likely to gain economic and other opportunities from the creation of Pakistan. This is a fact that India's British rulers clearly understood. "[A] vote of the whole adult population or of the enfranchised population would be unlikely to provide the result that Jinnah requires," wrote Viceroy Lord Wavell to Lord Pethick Lawrence, Secretary of State for India, on 20 November, 1945.

Limited franchise in effect meant that only people with property or money, and educated professionals, had the right to vote. The large mass of people, of all communities, was simply disenfranchised.

Limited franchise in effect meant that only people with property or money, and educated professionals, had the right to vote. The large mass of people, of all communities, was simply disenfranchised. Enfranchising only the elite, as the British did, created elite leaders such as Nehru and Jinnah, neither of whom would likely have had mass electoral appeal under a truly democratic franchise had such a system existed in late British India. It's no accident that Nehru, Jinnah and other leaders of both the Congress and the Muslim League were Anglicized wealthy lawyers, landowners, merchants, or princes.

Anecdotally, there are many stories of upper middle class and upper class Indian Muslims, including erstwhile princes, who decamped for Pakistan in 1947 to land up in senior positions in the government, military, and corporate sectors. Such people, whom one might charitably call carpetbaggers, voted with their feet and chose Pakistan.

Likewise, like Hindus in what became Pakistan, a large number of Indian Muslims in partitioned border states of Punjab and Bengal migrated to West and East Pakistan respectively, arguably for self-preservation during the carnage following partition.

The real test for those who claim that Pakistan had mass support among India's Muslims would be to look at those provinces, such as the United Provinces and Bihar, which were not partitioned and in which Muslims were relatively safe during the post-partition violence. If indeed Pakistan had mass support, you would have expected mass migration from these provinces. Yet, there's no evidence of such a mass exodus. The census data tells us that the Muslim population of those provinces dropped by one to two percentage points between the 1941 and 1951 census. Even if you assume that all of those people went to Pakistan, this is hardly a mass exodus. The overwhelming majority of Indian Muslims in these unpartitioned provinces remained in India, whether by choice or by default.

Just like with the Muslim electorate, it were the moneyed and propertied elite Hindus who voted for the Congress and Nehru

The official Congress narrative claims that most Indian Muslims were loyal to India, the Congress and Nehru. We have no way of knowing if this is true. It's possible that some or many felt that staying on in India was the best option if only for pragmatic or logistical reasons. In the absence of representative surveys of mass opinion, we are not in a position to make any assertions about those who could not vote.

By the same token, Nehru was an elite leader who before partition arguably commanded relatively little grassroots support. Just like with the Muslim electorate, it were the moneyed and propertied elite Hindus who voted for the Congress and Nehru. We have no way of knowing if some other leader or even some other political party might have emerged as dominant had there been genuine universal suffrage, just as we have no way of knowing if an altogether different grassroots Muslim party might have emerged under a democratic franchise.

There's a peculiar cognitive dissonance among those who argue correctly that the Nehru-led Congress was an elite party operating under a system of limited franchise before 1947 but refuse to accept that absolutely the same logic applies to Jinnah and the Muslim League during this period. You can't say that Nehru was an elite leader and Jinnah had mass support, when both were operating in exactly the same political system before partition.

Source:
https://www.huffingtonpost.in/rupa-...hat-most-indian-muslims-wanted-pa_a_22488885/
 
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The Woman Is Just A Sanghi Slave

The bitch probably got ganged up by Modi sanghis.

What Jinnah gave was an absolute monopoly to hindus over vast of lands of Indian sub-continent and you should realize that. Now Hindus absolutely control the larger landmass called India and all you can do is thank Jinnah for building a small colony for your lot. With the ascent of Hindutva, Hindus are literally bullying you on all fronts and all you can do is rant in the international forums to no avail. Even the brotherly muslim countries of yours have ditched you for Hindu India.

Infact deep down, even the Hindutva lot thank Jinnah for gifting them the absolute control of India. Now you can ponder over it.

That is typical. Indian Hindu ranting to save face and pretend that India is fine with being chopped up into different parts LOL In reality everyone knows how obsessed and hurt India is regarding the partition. It is the deepest wound India has ever felt and won't get over. Indian insecuriry about Pakistan won't disappear just like that bitch Sikandari feels cornered and overwhelmed in Hindustan.
You can blame aliens or whoever you like. Pakistan is staring you in the face and things are about to become very nast for Modi's rapeland. India is about to find out what the consequences are for their illegal actions in occupied Kashmir.
 
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That is typical. Indian Hindu ranting to save face and pretend that India is fine with being chopped up into different parts. In reality everyone knows how obsessed and hurt India is regerarding the partition. It is the deepest wound India has ever felt and wont get over.
I am no Hindu. So, your reply is a default rant when questioned about Jinnah and his beliefs. Sanghis fantasize about Akhand Bharat which includes Pakistan but the more realistic Hindutva lot understand that it is a distant dream and do understand that land also comes with its people and since Pakistan was/is a muslim majority, they would have had more problem dealing with it, hence they will always thank Jinnah for doing away a problem for them.
 
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Aren't you not getting bullied around? Kashmir annexed, talks of P.O.K annexation etc. Is that not bullying?? Your Prime minister goes around the world complaining about Hindutva actions, but that doesn't deter the Hindutva whatsoever. So what does that say?

LOL this guy thinks that talks of annexation of Azad Kashmir is bullying of Pakistan LOL

This guy actually thinks that Indian actions in Indian occupied Kashmir will remain unpunished.

This guy thinks that asking the world to pay attention to Indian atrocities in occupied Kashmir is bulluying.

Motherfvcker, this is what we call the preparation before storm. You think Pakistan has let you off the hook with your rape tendencies? Think again. You cannot even begin to comprehend what is coming next. Trump and his sissy talks cannot save you from a fully blown insurgency.

It is funny your country has to beg for opening up the air space for your rape leader every time he goes on a foreign tour.
 
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Look.. now you are hiding behind your in-competencies by bringing in Indian muslims. Many if not majority of Pakistanis hate and insult Indian muslims. And that can be seen right here in this forum. India is already a Pseudo Hindu Rashtra, so what are you waiting for? You made moves in 1965, 1999 and still continue to do so though through proxies, so don't give that excuse. Just because you are unable to get the support of your brotherly muslims countries, you are finding a scapegoat in Indian muslims.

Any attempt by Pakistan never bore fruits because Indian Muslims always went against the teachings of Islam and sided with their pegan masters instead of Muslims. Sultan Tipu would be rolling in his grave to see the state of Indian Muslims today. He preferred a single day of living like a lion while his so-called followers are content with living like jackals for the past 70 years and wants to finish the century.

Don't worry. The little sympathies Indian Muslims have from some Pakistanis due to the facade of brotherhood will wash away in due time since Indian Muslims have revealed their true faces time and again and clearly shown with whom they stand. In the next big war to come (which is inevitable), every Indian, combatant or supporter will be fair game (be it Hindu or Muslim).

The biggest disservice Indian Muslims did for the Islamic world is that instead of containing the Hindutva in India and helping Pakistan defeat it, they got used like mules to further their influence in other Muslim countries. The doors were opened for Indian Muslims in the spirit of brotherhood but they brought in the wolves with them and compromised the unity of Muslims in exchange for government jobs and scraps.
 
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LOL this guy thinks that talks of annexation of Azad Kashmir is bullying of Pakistan.

This guy thinks that Indian actions in Indian occupied Kashmir will remain unpunished.
Is it not?? A bigger and a stronger country claiming your land as theirs and then speak of physically occupying it. Is that not intimidation, bullying??
 
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Is it not?? A bigger and a stronger country claiming your land as theirs and then speak of physically occupying it. Is that not intimidation, bullying??

LOL You keep believing in your BS fantasies. We understand how to level the score. Just wait. You cannot live with a never ending lockdown. Let this lockdown end and you will see exactly what your actions have done. You haven't even grasped the meaning of hate and revenge. We will teach you the meanimg of both.
 
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Any attempt by Pakistan never bore fruits because Indian Muslims always went against the teachings of Islam and sided with their pegan masters instead of Muslims. Sultan Tipu would be rolling in his grave to see the state of Indian Muslims today. He preferred a single day of living like a lion while his so-called followers are content with living like jackals for the past 70 years and wants to finish the century.
The same way as Pakistanis went against the teachings of Islam and supported their kafir masters aka Americans to bomb, maim and kill their fellow muslim brethren in the name of "War on terror".

Don't worry. The little sympathies Indian Muslims have from some Pakistanis due to the facade of brotherhood will wash away in due time since Indian Muslims have revealed their true faces time and again and clearly shown with whom they stand. In the next big war to come (which is inevitable), every Indian, combatant or supporter will be fair game (be it Hindu or Muslim).

The biggest disservice Indian Muslims did for the Islamic world is that instead of containing the Hindutva in India and helping Pakistan defeat it, they got used like mules to further their influence in other Muslim countries. The doors were opened for Indian Muslims in the spirit of brotherhood but they brought in the wolves with them and compromised the unity of Muslims in exchange for government jobs and scraps.
You really think that Arabs give a damn about Indian muslims? You really think that Arabs felicitated the butcher of Gujarat out of love for Indian muslims?

LOL You keep believing in your BS fantasies. We understand how to level the score. Just wait. You cannot live with a never ending lockdown. Let this lockdown end and you will see exactly what your actions have done. You haven't even grasped the meaning of hate and revenge. We will teach you the meanimg of both.
Look, I am not fantasying. You have to accept realities. Hindutva is on a roll and you can't do shit about it except ranting in international forums.
 
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The same way as Pakistanis went against the teachings of Islam and supported their kafir masters aka Americans to bomb, maim and kill their fellow muslim brethren in the name of "War on terror".


You really think that Arabs give a damn about Indian muslims? You really think that Arabs felicitated the butcher of Gujarat out of love for Indian muslims?


Look, I am not fantasying. You have to accept realities. Hindutva is on a roll and you can't do shit about it except ranting in international forums.

You think we give a shit about Arab ignorance on Kashmir? We don't care about a lack of Arab support on Kashmir and we never expected any. Arabs have dumped the Palestinians. Why would they care about occupied Kashmir?

We will do the necessary to hurt Rapistan. That is all that matters in the end. I will remind you when you cry terrorism in front of the world like you always do.
 
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You think we give a shit about Arab ignorance on Kashmir?
You do.. Why else would you open threads here on this forum when UAE supported India on Kashmir annexation?

They supported you previously through your thick and thin, during Indo-Pak wars and now, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Think over it..
 
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