Stability in Pakistan integral to China's development, reiterates Chinese ambassador

[khansaheeb]

hopefully china's ambitions are to make pakistan a strong ally rather than a satellite state though i have little hope that pakistanis will protect our sovereignty from such a "brotherly" country

Your hope is supported by facts. Your concerns are unfounded.

 

[my2cents]

LAHORE:

Ambassador of People’s Republic of China to Pakistan Yao Jing has said that China cannot afford to lose Pakistan because stability in its neighborhood is integral to China’s development.

He made these remarks while speaking at an interactive policy dialogue organized by Lahore Center for Peace Research (LCPR) on the topic ‘Pakistan-China Relations in the 21st century’, which was arranged in his honor, said in a press release issued on Saturday.

He said that Pakistan’s importance to China would continue to increase because of the centrality of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) route in the Belt and Road Initiative(BRI). Yao added that a stable Pakistan was vital to China’s growth.

The Ambassador reminded the distinguished gathering that China envisages CPEC to be a lead project for connectivity and peace.
He stated the project was not only for the benefit of Pakistan and China as “ownership of CPEC finally belongs to the whole world”.

He emphasized that China’s relations with Pakistan were not based on transient interests but have remained unconditional. He also noted that China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a huge regional agenda with mutual interests rooted in China’s and Pakistan’s common vision for a better future and prosperity of the region.

“Rooted within BRI is China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) initiative that harbors economic prosperity for greater benefit of the entire region,” he remarked.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1662661/1/

World needs a stable south Asia.

 

[SabzShaheen]

by past you mean pre nuking or post nuking?

What do you think? And I will reiterate that the example I used is clearly not 100% the same as the current affairs.

They are close only because of Japanese submission to US. Pakistan can submit to US and becomes the best of friends too, this is how US friendship is acquired

Oh really? So is that how the US and the UK became allies? What about Germany and the US or perhaps Saudi Arabia and the US? There are multiple means by which to become the US's ally but the main reason behind why alliances are formed is when interests align. That being said, it is unlikely that Pakistan will become a stronger US ally in the near-future.

Your hope is supported by facts. Your concerns are unfounded.

As if I haven't heard that before. My hope is primarily because I love my homeland and want the best for it. My concerns are based on information I have read about CPEC and Pakistan's history of selling ourselves to someone else's cause for a few rupees.

 

[TMA]

What do you think? And I will reiterate that the example I used is clearly not 100% the same as the current affairs.


Oh really? So is that how the US and the UK became allies? What about Germany and the US or perhaps Saudi Arabia and the US? There are multiple means by which to become the US's ally but the main reason behind why alliances are formed is when interests align. That being said, it is unlikely that Pakistan will become a stronger US ally in the near-future.


As if I haven't heard that before. My hope is primarily because I love my homeland and want the best for it. My concerns are based on information I have read about CPEC and Pakistan's history of selling ourselves to someone else's cause for a few rupees.

So as far as I know (and please correct me if I wrong), The USA and Japan were staunch enemies pre WWII, then after the US nuked Japan, they became "allies" up to this day. Or were the USA and Japan enemies even after WW II and then later on became an allies...?

 

[SabzShaheen]

So as far as I know (and please correct me if I wrong), The USA and Japan were staunch enemies pre WWII, then after the US nuked Japan, they became "allies" up to this day. Or were the USA and Japan enemies even after WW II and then later on became an allies...?

To state the obvious of which I'm sure you're aware of, the US and Japan were enemies until the US defeated Japan in the war by nuking them. I'm sure you're also aware of the other points I've made so my elaboration of this simple historical fact is unnecessary.

 

[TMA]

To state the obvious of which I'm sure you're aware of, the US and Japan were enemies until the US defeated Japan in the war by nuking them. I'm sure you're also aware of the other points I've made so my elaboration of this simple historical fact is unnecessary.

Ok. Sorry but I wished for explicit clarification.

So my point was that the US and Pakistan will never be true allies... you said look at Japan and America, they were sworn enemies but now they are allies...I said this only happened after the US nuked Japan...my point being was it took two nukes to make them an ally .. and ally like this is not an ally worth having...

that is all...

 

[SabzShaheen]

Ok. Sorry but I wished for explicit clarification.

So my point was that the US and Pakistan will never be true allies... you said look at Japan and America, they were sworn enemies but now they are allies...I said this only happened after the US nuked Japan...my point being was it took two nukes to make them an ally .. and ally like this is not an ally worth having...

that is all...

Bro I've said many time already that it is only an example of how global affairs can change drastically given time and I've also given examples where the US didn't nuke a country to become their ally. It is not the nukes that made Japan an ally of the US but how the US introduced many reforms after the war that made Japan a successful state. Their interests aligned and continue to align and that is why they remain allies. Unfortunately, what that means is that Japan has too much US influence which is causing conflict with regional countries, mainly China. Apart from the fact that Pakistan and China haven't gone to war, doesn't that sound similar to how the situation with Pakistan and China is?

 

[TMA]

Bro I've said many time already that it is only an example of how global affairs can change drastically given time and I've also given examples where the US didn't nuke a country to become their ally. It is not the nukes that made Japan an ally of the US but how the US introduced many reforms after the war that made Japan a successful state. Their interests aligned and continue to align and that is why they remain allies. Unfortunately, what that means is that Japan has too much US influence which is causing conflict with regional countries, mainly China. Apart from the fact that Pakistan and China haven't gone to war, doesn't that sound similar to how the situation with Pakistan and China is?

Bro, one undeniably factor in their interests aligning and reforms was being NUKED in the first place. Consider if Japan was not nuked, would their interests align??

 

[SabzShaheen]

Bro, one undeniably factor in their interests aligning and reforms was being NUKED in the first place. Consider if Japan was not nuked, would their interests align??

If Japan hadn't been nuked, then the US and its allies would have found another means of defeating Japan. Afterwards, the US would probably have carried out the same reforms which would have put Japan in the American camp. Like I've said, the nukes aren't the reason Japan is a US ally. It defeats logic for a nation to ally with another nation based on the fact that the other country nuked them. I don't see the point you're trying to make.

 

[TMA]

If Japan hadn't been nuked, then the US and its allies would have found another means of defeating Japan. Afterwards, the US would probably have carried out the same reforms which would have put Japan in the American camp. Like I've said, the nukes aren't the reason Japan is a US ally. It defeats logic for a nation to ally with another nation based on the fact that the other country nuked them. I don't see the point you're trying to make.

The point I am making is:only after a catastrophic and utter defeat did Japan and the US become allies. The point I am making is: only after being "castrated" did Japan and the US become allies. That type of alliance is not worth it... that is all...

 

[SabzShaheen]

The point I am making is:only after a catastrophic and utter defeat did Japan and the US become allies. The point I am making is: only after being "castrated" did Japan and the US become allies. That type of alliance is not worth it... that is all...

I've been told you're a troll so this is the last post I'm making on this topic with you.

Japan is only ONE example. There are plenty more which I've given in a previous post in this thread. I'm not saying that we need to become allies with the US. My original point was that global affairs can change completely over time and one day Pakistan COULD become an ally of the US; however, we don't know under which circumstances that will happen. It could DUE TO a nuke (though that is highly unlikely, a change in US/Pakistani foreign policy or whatever.

 

[TMA]

I've been told you're a troll so this is the last post I'm making on this topic with you.

Japan is only ONE example. There are plenty more which I've given in a previous post in this thread. I'm not saying that we need to become allies with the US. My original point was that global affairs can change completely over time and one day Pakistan COULD become an ally of the US; however, we don't know under which circumstances that will happen. It could DUE TO a nuke (though that is highly unlikely, a change in US/Pakistani foreign policy or whatever.

global affairs change all the time... but my point is that unless the system changes in the US (that is the Zionists are out of power), the US will never be a "true"ally (if there is a such a thing as a true ally). Do you think that the Zionists will be out of power in the US...I don't (unless nuclear war happens) but you are free to make up your own mind...

P.S. forgot what you are told. what do YOU think...? ... I have been TOLD many things....

 

[airmarshal]

This is Pakistan's second chance at industrialization and hopefully we will not mess up this time.

For this though, we need leadership that thinks Pakistan only and not its political and family interest.

 

[SabzShaheen]

This is Pakistan's second chance at industrialization and hopefully we will not mess up this time.

For this though, we need leadership that thinks Pakistan only and not its political and family interest.

What was our first opportunity?

 

[airmarshal]

The first opportunity was in 1950s and 60s. When Ayub Khan literally made a Pakistan a star of the world. That progress was stuttered by Bhutto half socialist half feudal mess up. The one we are still reeling from.