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If you follow what’s going on here at TFB you know about the Spuhr accessories for the Heckler & Koch G3.

I shot a prototype of the system a few years ago, mounted on the Swedish Ak4 (HK G3) with an AimpointCS as the main optic.

Heckler & Koch G3, but it was clear that the Spuhr upgrades worked. The parts don’t shave off any weight, it’s still a heavy rifle, but the Ak4 / G3 felt more modern for sure and very usable.

Mr. Håkan Spuhr recently released this video which explains his side of the story. The video ends with some full-auto shooting, so don’t miss it.

Video: Spuhr explains the failed ergonomics of the H&K G3


Heckler Koch G3 have been around for a long time and is truly an amazing gun! Few rifles are that reliable. Sadly the ergonomics sucks big time and here I explain why and how.





In the video Håkan mentions some testing done with a modified wooden stock. This is what that looked like´:

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Spuhr HK G3 Upgrades
We made this project for the HK G3 because we thought this weapon has the potential to remain in service and relevancy for years to come. With a few changes the precision is very good. The project goals were to give the user better ergonomics, a new handguard, Picatinny rail on the top, and prepare a standard interface for a new stock.

The HK G3 is one of the western world’s great battle rifles, and it has proven itself to be very reliable and very accurate. Unfortunately most users feel that the G3 is old and has passed its prime. But with many thousand of G3s still in use around the world we wanted to see if we could adapt the G3 for today’s standards. We feel that we have succeeded and in many aspects the G3 with our modifications is as usable and serviceable as the AR10’s or HK 417’s of today, but with a strong favour to the G3 as to reliability and price.

SPUHR11.jpg

Note the Three Crowns behind the Spuhr logotype.

STOCK DESIGN
The main disadvantage of the G3 Rifle is the stock design tailored for the low iron sights. Due to the design with the long receiver the low ironsight forced the stock to have a ”hump” just behind the action. This ”hump” is also known as the ”cheek bone chrusher” for reasons that become painfully obvious to most. To prevent a collision betwen the”hump” and the shooter’s face they made the stock terribly long. It’s almost 75mm/3” longer than an M16-A2 stock. This was not a positive thing in the old pre-body armour days, but today it’s a huge problem and it makes the G3 cumbersome, heavy and difficult to control.

We have therefore created our own solution with a buttstock that is much shorter and have the comb about 25mm/1” higher which alligns the shooter with the optics.

The gun feel lighter as it’s closer to the shooter, it’s shorter and is easier and faster to mount to the shoulder, and the recoil is easier to absorb as the boreline is lower – now it’s actually controllable in full auto!

FOREND
We made a new forend that have allmost the same outline as the original with the same weight as the HK plastic forend (190 gram/6,7oz). It is very well ventilated so the barrelcools quickly and gives the user the option to add sections of Picatinny where he needs it at 3-6-9 or 12 o’clock. The forend is also very comfortable and gives the advantage of allowing the shooter to grab around the forend with a modern grip to manage the recoil, which is hard to do with a Picatinny forend.

As our forend have Spuhr™ interfaces on 3-6-9 o’clock it offers you the convenience of using the same rail sections as on our scope mount or our G36 forend.



Below: A prototype of the upgrades Ak4 for the Swedish Army, to be used by sharpshooters. The main sight is a fixed Hensholdt which the Swedish Army had stocked, but it did really well against the latest high-end models. The version for the Home Guard uses an Aimpoint CS and will not get the forend in aluminum.

Spuhr.jpg


TFB has covered the Spuhr H&K G3 upgrades before, for instance here (2016) and a review of the collapsible stock here by Miles.

Time flies and all of these upgrades are now all available. Our shooting club has a Turkish G3 clone called MKE T41. For an early 2019 delivery we have ordered the following parts to make our own Ak4 clone (albeit semi-automatic). We also have a match trigger from Uhl.

  • R-401 G3 Forend
  • R-410 G3 Stock Assembly
  • R-402 G3 Top Rail (This is needed as the MKE T41 lacks a Picatinny top rail. Attachment is by screwing it on, I understand)
You can check the EU pricing here, and the levels seem reasonable with €260 for the “G3/MP5/HK33/53 Stock Assy”.

The Aimpoint CS is used on the Ak4, but it wasn’t really sold to the public, and it isn’t available any longer (out of production). There is a rumor that the CS was sold in the USA in limited numbers. If you know where we could source one, please let us know in the comments below.






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Eric B
Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. World Shoot Rifle medalist. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors. Owning the night would be nice too. TCCC Certified medic.


https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...-the-failed-ergonomics-of-the-hekler-koch-g3/

@Path-Finder @Horus @balixd @RescueRanger
 
If they can remove the deficiencies in G3, then we may not have any reason to go for an entirely new rifle.
 
1ak4-spuhr-660x400.jpg



If you follow what’s going on here at TFB you know about the Spuhr accessories for the Heckler & Koch G3.

I shot a prototype of the system a few years ago, mounted on the Swedish Ak4 (HK G3) with an AimpointCS as the main optic.

Heckler & Koch G3, but it was clear that the Spuhr upgrades worked. The parts don’t shave off any weight, it’s still a heavy rifle, but the Ak4 / G3 felt more modern for sure and very usable.

Mr. Håkan Spuhr recently released this video which explains his side of the story. The video ends with some full-auto shooting, so don’t miss it.

Video: Spuhr explains the failed ergonomics of the H&K G3


Heckler Koch G3 have been around for a long time and is truly an amazing gun! Few rifles are that reliable. Sadly the ergonomics sucks big time and here I explain why and how.





In the video Håkan mentions some testing done with a modified wooden stock. This is what that looked like´:

177372_10151275065713117_776228316_o.jpg




Spuhr HK G3 Upgrades
We made this project for the HK G3 because we thought this weapon has the potential to remain in service and relevancy for years to come. With a few changes the precision is very good. The project goals were to give the user better ergonomics, a new handguard, Picatinny rail on the top, and prepare a standard interface for a new stock.

The HK G3 is one of the western world’s great battle rifles, and it has proven itself to be very reliable and very accurate. Unfortunately most users feel that the G3 is old and has passed its prime. But with many thousand of G3s still in use around the world we wanted to see if we could adapt the G3 for today’s standards. We feel that we have succeeded and in many aspects the G3 with our modifications is as usable and serviceable as the AR10’s or HK 417’s of today, but with a strong favour to the G3 as to reliability and price.

SPUHR11.jpg

Note the Three Crowns behind the Spuhr logotype.

STOCK DESIGN
The main disadvantage of the G3 Rifle is the stock design tailored for the low iron sights. Due to the design with the long receiver the low ironsight forced the stock to have a ”hump” just behind the action. This ”hump” is also known as the ”cheek bone chrusher” for reasons that become painfully obvious to most. To prevent a collision betwen the”hump” and the shooter’s face they made the stock terribly long. It’s almost 75mm/3” longer than an M16-A2 stock. This was not a positive thing in the old pre-body armour days, but today it’s a huge problem and it makes the G3 cumbersome, heavy and difficult to control.

We have therefore created our own solution with a buttstock that is much shorter and have the comb about 25mm/1” higher which alligns the shooter with the optics.

The gun feel lighter as it’s closer to the shooter, it’s shorter and is easier and faster to mount to the shoulder, and the recoil is easier to absorb as the boreline is lower – now it’s actually controllable in full auto!

FOREND
We made a new forend that have allmost the same outline as the original with the same weight as the HK plastic forend (190 gram/6,7oz). It is very well ventilated so the barrelcools quickly and gives the user the option to add sections of Picatinny where he needs it at 3-6-9 or 12 o’clock. The forend is also very comfortable and gives the advantage of allowing the shooter to grab around the forend with a modern grip to manage the recoil, which is hard to do with a Picatinny forend.

As our forend have Spuhr™ interfaces on 3-6-9 o’clock it offers you the convenience of using the same rail sections as on our scope mount or our G36 forend.



Below: A prototype of the upgrades Ak4 for the Swedish Army, to be used by sharpshooters. The main sight is a fixed Hensholdt which the Swedish Army had stocked, but it did really well against the latest high-end models. The version for the Home Guard uses an Aimpoint CS and will not get the forend in aluminum.

Spuhr.jpg


TFB has covered the Spuhr H&K G3 upgrades before, for instance here (2016) and a review of the collapsible stock here by Miles.

Time flies and all of these upgrades are now all available. Our shooting club has a Turkish G3 clone called MKE T41. For an early 2019 delivery we have ordered the following parts to make our own Ak4 clone (albeit semi-automatic). We also have a match trigger from Uhl.

  • R-401 G3 Forend
  • R-410 G3 Stock Assembly
  • R-402 G3 Top Rail (This is needed as the MKE T41 lacks a Picatinny top rail. Attachment is by screwing it on, I understand)
You can check the EU pricing here, and the levels seem reasonable with €260 for the “G3/MP5/HK33/53 Stock Assy”.

The Aimpoint CS is used on the Ak4, but it wasn’t really sold to the public, and it isn’t available any longer (out of production). There is a rumor that the CS was sold in the USA in limited numbers. If you know where we could source one, please let us know in the comments below.






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Eric B
Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. World Shoot Rifle medalist. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors. Owning the night would be nice too. TCCC Certified medic.


https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...-the-failed-ergonomics-of-the-hekler-koch-g3/

@Path-Finder @Horus @balixd @RescueRanger
 
If they can remove the deficiencies in G3, then we may not have any reason to go for an entirely new rifle.
G3 is 50 year design it has its limitations all attempts to modify it has only resulted in crap. The latest version of G3M is not even more heavier than previous ones.
 
I bet Mr. Sphur hasn't spent as many years on this plant as H&K G3 serving millions of soldiers in some of the best armies around the world.


1ak4-spuhr-660x400.jpg



If you follow what’s going on here at TFB you know about the Spuhr accessories for the Heckler & Koch G3.

I shot a prototype of the system a few years ago, mounted on the Swedish Ak4 (HK G3) with an AimpointCS as the main optic.

Heckler & Koch G3, but it was clear that the Spuhr upgrades worked. The parts don’t shave off any weight, it’s still a heavy rifle, but the Ak4 / G3 felt more modern for sure and very usable.

Mr. Håkan Spuhr recently released this video which explains his side of the story. The video ends with some full-auto shooting, so don’t miss it.

Video: Spuhr explains the failed ergonomics of the H&K G3


Heckler Koch G3 have been around for a long time and is truly an amazing gun! Few rifles are that reliable. Sadly the ergonomics sucks big time and here I explain why and how.





In the video Håkan mentions some testing done with a modified wooden stock. This is what that looked like´:

177372_10151275065713117_776228316_o.jpg




Spuhr HK G3 Upgrades
We made this project for the HK G3 because we thought this weapon has the potential to remain in service and relevancy for years to come. With a few changes the precision is very good. The project goals were to give the user better ergonomics, a new handguard, Picatinny rail on the top, and prepare a standard interface for a new stock.

The HK G3 is one of the western world’s great battle rifles, and it has proven itself to be very reliable and very accurate. Unfortunately most users feel that the G3 is old and has passed its prime. But with many thousand of G3s still in use around the world we wanted to see if we could adapt the G3 for today’s standards. We feel that we have succeeded and in many aspects the G3 with our modifications is as usable and serviceable as the AR10’s or HK 417’s of today, but with a strong favour to the G3 as to reliability and price.

SPUHR11.jpg

Note the Three Crowns behind the Spuhr logotype.

STOCK DESIGN
The main disadvantage of the G3 Rifle is the stock design tailored for the low iron sights. Due to the design with the long receiver the low ironsight forced the stock to have a ”hump” just behind the action. This ”hump” is also known as the ”cheek bone chrusher” for reasons that become painfully obvious to most. To prevent a collision betwen the”hump” and the shooter’s face they made the stock terribly long. It’s almost 75mm/3” longer than an M16-A2 stock. This was not a positive thing in the old pre-body armour days, but today it’s a huge problem and it makes the G3 cumbersome, heavy and difficult to control.

We have therefore created our own solution with a buttstock that is much shorter and have the comb about 25mm/1” higher which alligns the shooter with the optics.

The gun feel lighter as it’s closer to the shooter, it’s shorter and is easier and faster to mount to the shoulder, and the recoil is easier to absorb as the boreline is lower – now it’s actually controllable in full auto!

FOREND
We made a new forend that have allmost the same outline as the original with the same weight as the HK plastic forend (190 gram/6,7oz). It is very well ventilated so the barrelcools quickly and gives the user the option to add sections of Picatinny where he needs it at 3-6-9 or 12 o’clock. The forend is also very comfortable and gives the advantage of allowing the shooter to grab around the forend with a modern grip to manage the recoil, which is hard to do with a Picatinny forend.

As our forend have Spuhr™ interfaces on 3-6-9 o’clock it offers you the convenience of using the same rail sections as on our scope mount or our G36 forend.



Below: A prototype of the upgrades Ak4 for the Swedish Army, to be used by sharpshooters. The main sight is a fixed Hensholdt which the Swedish Army had stocked, but it did really well against the latest high-end models. The version for the Home Guard uses an Aimpoint CS and will not get the forend in aluminum.

Spuhr.jpg


TFB has covered the Spuhr H&K G3 upgrades before, for instance here (2016) and a review of the collapsible stock here by Miles.

Time flies and all of these upgrades are now all available. Our shooting club has a Turkish G3 clone called MKE T41. For an early 2019 delivery we have ordered the following parts to make our own Ak4 clone (albeit semi-automatic). We also have a match trigger from Uhl.

  • R-401 G3 Forend
  • R-410 G3 Stock Assembly
  • R-402 G3 Top Rail (This is needed as the MKE T41 lacks a Picatinny top rail. Attachment is by screwing it on, I understand)
You can check the EU pricing here, and the levels seem reasonable with €260 for the “G3/MP5/HK33/53 Stock Assy”.

The Aimpoint CS is used on the Ak4, but it wasn’t really sold to the public, and it isn’t available any longer (out of production). There is a rumor that the CS was sold in the USA in limited numbers. If you know where we could source one, please let us know in the comments below.






Erik-B_avatar_1479905964-90x90.jpg

Eric B
Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. World Shoot Rifle medalist. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors. Owning the night would be nice too. TCCC Certified medic.


https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...-the-failed-ergonomics-of-the-hekler-koch-g3/

@Path-Finder @Horus @balixd @RescueRanger
 
G3 is 50 year design it has its limitations all attempts to modify it has only resulted in crap. The latest version of G3M is not even more heavier than previous ones.
because we went for Picatiny rail.....add that to any gun and it gets heavy....one of the reason many Spec Ops units are moving towards M-lok or Keymod system as the weapon profile is sleek & reduced weight.....
 
+ the all metal retractable stock, which could have been a folding polymer

because we went for Picatiny rail.....add that to any gun and it gets heavy....one of the reason many Spec Ops units are moving towards M-lok or Keymod system as the weapon profile is sleek & reduced weight.....
 
Chosen by Portuguese Navy to upgrade the Marines G3 (stupid idea)
First ones already in service, we saw them this weak in an exercise with the US Marines.
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Thanks
 
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