South Korea presents the first model of the homemade AESA radar for their fifth generation KF-X proj

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A stealthy fighter without weapon bay

 

[ashok321]

A stealthy fighter without weapon bay

Stealth = low observable and not zero observable.
Stealth meaning; designed (aircraft) in accordance with technology that makes detection by radar or sonar difficult - not impossible.

Stealth technology avoids detection, but not 100%.
Every country lives by this principle.

So what is the grouse here my friend?

Out for a dinner.

 

[Beast]

Stealth = low observable and not zero observable.
Stealth meaning; designed (aircraft) in accordance with technology that makes detection by radar or sonar difficult - not impossible.

Stealth technology avoids detection, but not 100%.
Every country lives by this principle.

So what is the grouse here my friend?

Out for a dinner.

Unless it is going to fight with only bullets. It still need to carry weapon externally which significantly increase RCS. Unless it has some magic formula which can negates this aspect.

 

[ashok321]

Unless it is going to fight with only bullets. It still need to carry weapon externally which significantly increase RCS. Unless it has some magic formula which can negates this aspect.

Pros n cons:

9 to 10 weapon stations/hard points vs less internal space. Lesser load volume (weapons)

Easy maintenance.

Above aircraft VS F-35 with 4 missiles in its bay.

But when the same F-35 is fully armed, you are looking at the following:

So there is a trade off.

 

[Beast]

Pros n cons:

9 to 10 weapon stations/hard points vs less internal space. Lesser load volume (weapons)

Easy maintenance.

Above aircraft VS F-35 with 4 missiles in its bay.

But when the same F-35 is fully armed, you are looking at the following:

So there is a trade off.

Your analogy failed. If F-35 wants to bring 4 internal missile(2 Aim-9X and 2 Aim-120) for better air to air RCS reduction air superiority suppression. It is possible.

If SK KFX wants to bring 120 bullets only and think it can achieve any kind of air superiority against J-20, it is fat hope.

F-35 full load with external weapon is very likely where air superiority is achieved and stealth is not that important.

If you think payload is so important for air superiority, why not send B-52 for that mission since payload is so important to you?

 

[gangsta_rap]

NO DSI!??!?!?

 

[ashok321]

Your analogy failed. If F-35 wants to bring 4 internal missile(2 Aim-9X and 2 Aim-120) for better air to air RCS reduction air superiority suppression. It is possible.

If SK KFX wants to bring 120 bullets only and think it can achieve any kind of air superiority against J-20, it is fat hope.

F-35 full load with external weapon is very likely where air superiority is achieved and stealth is not that important.

If you think payload is so important for air superiority, why not send B-52 for that mission since payload is so important to you?

120 bullets is a gibberish part from you. Don't be a kid. You already have number of negatives.

Its all about mission requirement.
F-35 is built to be fully loaded with external payload (if the need be), hence your stealth factor gets the hit.
Already emphasized, its a trade off.

 

[Beast]

120 bullets is a gibberish part from you. Don't be a kid. You already have number of negatives.

Its all about mission requirement.
F-35 is built to be fully loaded with external payload (if the need be), hence your stealth factor gets the hit.
Already emphasized, its a trade off.

LOL.. After running out of argument and resort to personal attack? My negative point is given by anti-China biased like jhungary and Mil-spec who after failed to beat my valid point decide to abuse their power by giving negative point.

Does it derail from the fact. KFX cant achieved the kind of RCS reduction unless as I say, bring 120 bullets only for combat?

It does not take a genuis to figure out dangling with external weapon is not going to be stealthy. F-35 with 4 missile can still achieved mission requirement without compromising stealth. Which KFX cant do it. Dont be stubborn and childish of you by crapping rubbish.

 

[ashok321]

LOL.. After running out of argument and resort to personal attack? My negative point is given by anti-China biased like jhungary and Mil-spec who after failed to beat my valid point decide to abuse their power by giving negative point.

Does it derail from the fact. KFX cant achieved the kind of RCS reduction unless as I say, bring 120 bullets only for combat?

It does not take a genuis to figure out dangling with external weapon is not going to be stealthy. F-35 with 4 missile can still achieved mission requirement without compromising stealth. Which KFX cant do it.

You are ignored!

 

[Beast]

You are ignored!



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Your reply here will not be missed. Ask your B-52 bomber to go for air superiority role since you think payload is everything..

 

[Irfan Baloch]

please Avoid Non-English posts.

 

[gambit]

A stealthy fighter without weapon bay

Yes, it can be done. And SKR might just be the one to do it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardpoint

...have semi-recessed fuselage stations to reduce drag.

http://www.aviation-history.com/mcdonnell/f4.html

The F-4J was powered by two J79-GE-10 turbojet engines with 11,870 lb s.t. (17,900 lb s.t. w/ab.) Armament included four semi-recessed AIM-7 AAM plus external stores of 16,000 lb of bombs, missiles or rockets.

A semi-recessed hardpoint will be limited to missiles, but if the platform is designed to be air superiority and not multi-role, the semi-recessed method maybe the better compared to the complexity of the full internalized weapons carriage system like on the F-22.

Radar cross section (RCS) measurement and control methods have come a long way since the F-22 and all of its followers, including China's J-20. The semi-recessed method may offer the best solution for SKR's 'stealth' fighter.

 

[The SC]

Yes, it can be done. And SKR might just be the one to do it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardpoint


http://www.aviation-history.com/mcdonnell/f4.html

A semi-recessed hardpoint will be limited to missiles, but if the platform is designed to be air superiority and not multi-role, the semi-recessed method maybe the better compared to the complexity of the full internalized weapons carriage system like on the F-22.

Radar cross section (RCS) measurement and control methods have come a long way since the F-22 and all of its followers, including China's J-20. The semi-recessed method may offer the best solution for SKR's 'stealth' fighter.

Watch from 1:20 to 1:25

Not sure though, since the Koreans say it is a 4.5 generation fighter to replace their F-4 and F-5 fighter..:

"Based on the complete design, KAI will manufacture 120 fighter jets from 2026 through 2032 to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4 and F-5 fighters, DAPA said.

DAPA held a meeting with KAI and military officials from Indonesia earlier in the day in the KAI's factory in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province, to officially start the project. Indonesia is the KAI's foreign partner for the fighter jet project, having signed a contract last year to finance 20 percent of the cost in the development phase. Under the deal, Indonesia will also be entitled to acquire the aviation technology of the project and bring home one experimental airplane.

"The KF-X project will take the role to lead the development of our aviation industry," DAPA Minister Chang Myoung-jin said during the meeting. "DAPA will develop a locally made fighter jet, which all South Koreans can be proud of."

Worth some 18 trillion won (US$14.9 billion), the project is aimed at developing a twin-engine, 4.5 generation multirole fighter equipped with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, which is much more advanced than the passive electronically scanned array radar that's currently in service."

https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...f-x-fighter-jet-project-in-full-swing.373952/

 

[Beethoven]

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The radar is being developed by Korean company Hanwha .. the new radar capabilities and specifications remain unknown

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Picture of the fifth-generation fighter KF-X model
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I must admit this plane looks badass