South China Sea Forum

[Zero_wing]

Philippines won't stand a chance against China.

Philippine military lacks the size and the firepower and tech to defend their islands from the Chinese.

All the Philippines can do is call their master to protect them.



Your military does not even have any proper warship or even a true fighter jet.
Your military does not stand a chance. Even if the Philippine military was modernizing, still no chance, and why did it take so long to start the modernizing program?

Yes we do they are old though but more are coming the Goyo class (Hamilton class) are just for fill in for the real thing warships take years to make laying making testing and deliver i guess due to your country's poor safety and rush system making anything you making more the question is how do they far in the real world? as for the modernization we have a lot of projects line up and non of them can be brought and use time and money so of who can rip off some unlike your cheap copying country can and again we are not matching china unlike you people we live the real world we do what we can and what our limited budget can bring and i think many Filipinos already told you imperial wanna be's chekwas peke that we are after credible defense and diplomacy and using international law meaning just to defend ourselves and our approach to the problem you people made is diplomacy and international law not to take again NOT to take china on with military buying free its impossible we are still doing a diplomatic approach in accordance with international law and the UN Charter which from what i can i tell you chekwas no nothing about just threats and military pictures that provides military intel on your so called peaceful ahem liar (aggressive) rise

how did ASEAN become accomplice?

Its a mouth piece its not real news just propaganda let them say what they want to at less you know what china really is

 

[Viet]

Let them the Philippines will defend itself but we never give in we solve this problem with accordance with the UN charter and international law let the Imperial chinamen do what they will
they will doom anyway

Good luck to you, all the best from Vietnam. The Chinese begin to behave badly, insulting not only the Philippines, but others calling ASEAN as accomplice.

 

[Viet]

Yawn.... How many times has pinoy barked, and china warned in response. This is getting boring, china is in control of the disputed area right now, if the pinoy wants come and take it and we will see what happens. Pinoys are sly faced little ungrateful shits, need a good smacking.

This type of crap will only continue yearly because pinoys and us conduct exercises annually. No country on this planet has an appetite going directly against china. The US rhetoric is filled with endless domestic politics, but they can't do **** all to china.

well, if it remains just a war rhetoric, than we all can relax, can´t we?

 

[Zero_wing]

Good luck to you, all the best from Vietnam. The Chinese begin to behave badly, insulting not only the Philippines, but others calling ASEAN as accomplice.

Let them be concentrate on defense building and international mechanism let the fools be

 

[Viet]

Let them be concentrate on defense building and international mechanism let the fools be

don´t rely too much on uncle Sam, build up your strength. The cowards and betrayer deserted her ally South Vietnam in the battle of Paracels in 1974.

 

[EastSea]

don´t rely too much on uncle Sam, build up your strength. The cowards and betrayer deserted her ally South Vietnam in the battle of Paracels in 1974.

It was not so simple, Uncla Sam known well that he can return to region in future.

 

[Fsjal]

Yes we do they are old though but more are coming the Goyo class (Hamilton class) are just for fill in for the real thing warships take years to make laying making testing and deliver i guess due to your country's poor safety and rush system making anything you making more the question is how do they far in the real world? as for the modernization we have a lot of projects line up and non of them can be brought and use time and money so of who can rip off some unlike your cheap copying country can and again we are not matching china unlike you people we live the real world we do what we can and what our limited budget can bring and i think many Filipinos already told you imperial wanna be's chekwas peke that we are after credible defense and diplomacy and using international law meaning just to defend ourselves and our approach to the problem you people made is diplomacy and international law not to take again NOT to take china on with military buying free its impossible we are still doing a diplomatic approach in accordance with international law and the UN Charter which from what i can i tell you chekwas no nothing about just threats and military pictures that provides military intel on your so called peaceful ahem liar (aggressive) rise



Its a mouth piece its not real news just propaganda let them say what they want to at less you know what china really is

"Poor Safety"?

Oh please, have you seen the warships? Have you seen the inside of a Type 052C destroyer or Type 056 corvette, which is better then the inside of the BRP Ramon Alcaraz and BRP Gregorio Del Pilar.

And these ships are safe. The reason why they are quickly made is because the workers work hard to finish them. Anyway, the Chinese navy takes great care, compare to Philippines.

The Goyo class don't need to get shot by missiles. They can sink themselves.

 

[Viet]

It was not so simple, Uncla Sam known well that he can return to region in future.

You never know for sure about America, neither China. They surely don´t want to destroy each other, and could work an agreement out, and uncle Sam would leave her allies, now Japan, S Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines alone in their fate.

 

[Zero_wing]

"Poor Safety"?

Oh please, have you seen the warships? Have you seen the inside of a Type 052C destroyer or Type 056 corvette, which is better then the inside of the BRP Ramon Alcaraz and BRP Gregorio Del Pilar.

And these ships are safe. The reason why they are quickly made is because the workers work hard to finish them. Anyway, the Chinese navy takes great care, compare to Philippines.

The Goyo class don't need to get shot by missiles. They can sink themselves.

Oh please spare me your idiocy one do think we want to fire the first well just wait forever that is for sure you be doing it then do it your post just point out how brainless you and kind are

don´t rely too much on uncle Sam, build up your strength. The cowards and betrayer deserted her ally South Vietnam in the battle of Paracels in 1974.

We are not if you can see how we are modernizing but we have limited time and money we have other priorities too let them talk the talk and not walk this losers are just morons with cheap copies but am not saying they not dangerous but am saying let them dig their own graves for their aggression.

 

[Soryu]

VPA Navy HQ-11 vs PLAN 570

 

[Malaya]

PHL: Chinese military in South China Sea threatens peace
June 30, 2013

BANDAR SERI BEGAWAN - The Philippines said Sunday that an increasing Chinese military and paramilitary presence in the disputed South China Sea was a threat to regional peace.

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert Del Rosario made the statement in a press release issued at a regional security forum attended by his counterparts from the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China.

"Del Rosario today expressed serious concern over the increasing militarization of the South China Sea," the statement said.

He said there was a "massive presence of Chinese military and paramilitary ships" at two groups of islets within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone called Scarborough Shoal and Second Thomas Shoal.

Del Rosario described the Chinese military presence at these islets as "threats to efforts to maintain maritime peace and stability in the region."

Del Rosario said the Chinese actions violated a pact made in 2002 in which rival claimants to the sea pledged not to take any actions that may increase tensions.

The declaration on conduct signed by ASEAN nations and China also committed rival claimants to resolve their disputes "without resorting to the threat or use of force."

"We reiterate our continued advocacy for a peaceful and rules-based settlement of disputes in accordance with universally recognised principles of international law," Del Rosario said.

China claims nearly all of the strategically vital and potentially resource-rich South China Sea, even waters approaching the coasts of neighbouring countries.

ASEAN members the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei and Malaysia, as well as Taiwan, also have competing claims to parts of the sea.

The rivalries have for decades been a source of regional tension, with China and Vietnam fighting deadly battles for control of some islands in the sea.

Tensions have built in recent years with the Philippines, Vietnam and some other countries expressing concern at increasingly assertive Chinese military and diplomatic tactics to assert control of the sea.

Manila says China has effectively occupied Scarborough Shoal, a rich fishing ground far closer to Philippine land than Chinese, for more than a year.

The Philippines says China has recently also deployed vessels to intimidate a tiny Philippine garrison on Second Thomas Shoal that has been stationed there since the mid 1990s. — Agence France-Presse

 

[Fsjal]

VPA Navy HQ-11 vs PLAN 570

Wait, when did China and Vietnam start sending warships near each other?

Anyway, I wonder who will win?

 

[Malaya]

Any use of force in South China Sea not acceptable to India: Salman Khurshid
Sachin Parashar, TNN | Jul 1, 2013

BANDAR SERI BEGAWAN: Ahead of India-ASEAN Post Ministerial Conference, foreign minister Salman Khurshid on Monday said India will reject any use of force in the South China Sea where several Asean countries are locked in a territorial dispute with China. Later in the day, Khurshid will also have a bilateral meeting with his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi.

Khurshid was replying to a query here about India's position about the call for a freedom of navigation by some Asean nations for a code of conduct in South China Sea.

"The Code of conduct is a work in progress but at part of the broad principles, we support freedom of navigation in South China Sea; the use of force is something which India rejects,'' said Khurshid.

The ongoing 46th Asean foreign ministers' meeting here has seen China, in a bid to prevent further escalation of strife, agreeing to hold official consultations over the issue. This was after Beijing's latest stand-off with Philippines which saw its foreign minister accusing China of increasing militarization in the region.

Apart from his bilateral with Wang, Khurshid is slated to have 9 other bilateral meetings Monday, including with his counterparts from Bangladesh, Canada, Cambodia and North Korea. About his meeting with the North Korean foreign minister, Khurshid said he was looking to firmly'' convey India's message over the issue of non-proliferation.

 

[Malaya]

Spanish military offers aid to modernize AFP

Spain’s Vice-Minister of Defense Constantino Mendez Martinez said his country is willing to provide equipment to help modernize the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP). Martinez arrived in the Philippines last Sunday accompanied by Spanish military officials to meet with officials of the military and the defense department. He was also accompanied by executives of several Spanish companies engaged in the supply and services of defense systems engineering consultancy; information systems and electronic radars; aircraft; ammunition and mortars; and disasters and emergency situations.

Martinez said Spain has naval and air assets that may be offered to the Philippines upon the request of the AFP.

The Aquino administration has vowed to support the AFP’s capability upgrade program to boost its territorial defense capabilities.

The government aims to acquire lead-in jet trainers, surface attack aircraft, air defense radars, long-range patrol aircraft and closed air support aircraft for the Air Force. It also seeks to buy new equipment for the Army.

Not to be left out, the Navy will be provided with strategic sea-lift vessels with amphibious capability, off-shore patrol vessels, naval helicopters, coast watch stations, and weather-heavy endurance cutters.

 

[Malaya]

Kerry affirms US' commitment to Asia Pacific
Published on Jul 01, 2013

US Secretary of State John Kerry has given ASEAN countries and the Asia Pacific community the United States' strongest commitment of its involvement in the security and stability of the region.

BANDAR SERI BEGAWAN: US Secretary of State John Kerry has given ASEAN countries and the Asia Pacific community the United States' strongest commitment of its involvement in the security and stability of the region.

Addressing ASEAN's foreign ministers at the ASEAN-US dialogue in Brunei on Monday, Mr Kerry said the US hopes to increase its efforts in this regard.

He said some people have wondered whether in the second term of the Obama administration and with a new Secretary of State, if the US was going to continue on the path that it has been on as far as the Asia Pacific region is concerned.

Mr Kerry said he wants to put those concerns to rest.

He explained, "We are committed to ensure a peaceful, stable and prosperous Southeast Asia and that is why we are working together on a whole range of traditional and non-traditional security issues from wildlife trafficking to human trafficking, to non-proliferation, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief and so much more.

"As a Pacific nation, we take our responsibilities seriously and we will continue to build an active and enduring presence in every respect and one of the most important ways we will do that is in our partnership with all of you through ASEAN."

In particular, Mr Kerry said the US is focused on two issues of concern - maritime security and cyber security.

The Asia-Pacific region, he said is home to the world's busiest ports and critical sea lanes.

He said what happened in the region matters to the US and the global community.

Turning to the South China Sea disputes, Mr Kerry elaborated, "With regards to the South China Sea, I would say this. As a Pacific nation and the resident power, the United States has a national interest in the maintenance of peace and stability, respect for international law, unimpeded lawful commerce and freedom of navigation in the South China Sea.

"While we do not take a position on a competing territorial claim, we have a strong interest in the manner in which the disputes in the South China Sea are addressed and in the conduct of the parties. We very much hope to see progress soon on a substantive Code of Conduct in order to help maintain stability in this vital region."

The US is also working with ASEAN to improve cyber security and combat cyber crime.

Mr Kerry said the US is very eager to help ASEAN member states build capacity in this area to ensure that all countries are protected against cyber threats and reduce the risks these threats carry.

He feels that a significant part of the 21st century history will be written in Asia and much of it will be written in Southeast Asia and that is why the US believes that its relations with ASEAN is of the highest importance.

Addressing three areas - economic opportunities, political security and people-to people ties, Mr Kerry said the US supports ASEAN's economic integration goals and it is strongly encouraging the grouping as it pursues them.

He said: "We recognise the strong economic dynamism of your region and people and as it is true everywhere, we are only going to be able to capture the energy of Southeast Asia in its massive and growing, overwhelmingly young population, if we answer their aspirations. We support ASEAN's goals of dynamic integrated economies and establishing the ASEAN Economic Community by the end of 2015 and we will invest significantly in technical assistance to support these goals."

Mr Kerry said President Barack Obama is very much looking forward to his visit to Brunei in October for the East Asia Summit.

Kerry affirms US' commitment to Asia Pacific - Channel NewsAsia