Some information people should remember

[Hamza913]

Rasulullah, peace be upon him said:

"Verily, Allah has removed from you the pride of the time of ignorance with its boasting of ancestors. Verily, one is only a righteous believer or a miserable sinner. All of the people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created from dust."

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3955, Grade: Sahih

"He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism."

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 5102, Grade: Sahih

"The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever."

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 5665, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2586

Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim

Allah, may He be exalted, sent Messengers to every nation and He stated that they came one after another, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then We sent Our Messengers in succession, every time there came to a nation their Messenger, they denied him, so We made them follow one another (to destruction), and We made them as Ahadeeth (the true stories for mankind to learn a lesson from them). So away with a people who believe not”

[al-Mu’minoon 23:44]

“Verily! We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner. And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them”

[Faatir 35:24].

Conclusion:

It is mandatory for Muslims to value our religion and identity as human beings above all else, and this makes perfect sense since all of humanity shares a common origin (thus making ethnonationalism redundant). Not only that, but it's haram to boast of one's ancestors. This is not a rejection of the culture of one's people since Adam (peace be upon him) and the early humans were all Muslim (and we are all descended from them), and because each group of people were sent a Prophet (meaning that there were Prophets, peace be upon them, from the Indus).

Many Muslims today still consider themselves Muslim first, myself included:

@Desert Fox

 

[KediKesenFare3]

O mankind, We have created you male and female, and appointed you races and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing, All-aware.
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A Muslim who denies his nationality and origin is a sinner.

 

[Hamza913]

O mankind, We have created you male and female, and appointed you races and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing, All-aware.
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A Muslim who denies his nationality and origin is a sinner.

You conveniently forgot to highlight the most important aspect of the verse.

And this doesn't disprove my point at all. It's still haram to boast of one's ancestry, and to consider one's religion or humanity below any other identity they may hold.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

O mankind, We have created you male and female, and appointed you races and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing, All-aware.
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A Muslim who denies his nationality and origin is a sinner.

What you are seeing on this thread is the cause of the malaise in Pakistan and the almost wafer thin sense of identity as Pakistani. Note the Pew survey which lays bare this fact at 3% placing store on nationalism.

To make matters worse this might not be bad thing if they really lived up to this notion of 'Muslim' first. In practice most will run in the opposite direction. Ask them can Muslims [Afghan refugees] who have lived in Pakistan for three decades be given Pakistani nationality ~ most will cry out 'No' and proffer 101 excuses to avoid living up to the high ideal of 'Muslim' that they carry on their shoulders so proudly.

 

[Hamza913]

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What you are seeing on this thread is the cause of the malaise in Pakistan

On the contrary, it's YOUR ideology that's not just poisoning Pakistan, but the whole world. Ethnonationalism is promoting racism and furthering the divide among Muslims and humanity as a whole.

and the almost wafer thin sense of identity as Pakistani.

No, most Pakistanis know who we are. It's only people who try to seek a secular meaning to their Pakistani identity that have a crisis, and that's to be expected since Pakistan only came about as a nation for the Muslims of British India. Being a Pakistani nationalist without being a religious Muslim to some degree is rather difficult to reconcile, and this forum shows it.

Note the Pew survey which lays bare this fact at 3% placing store on nationalism.

Alhamdulillah, the plague of ethnonationalism had a limited effect on our country.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Taking pride in what your forefathers may have done is one thing... Using it to elevate yourself upon others is another.
Nationalism is a cancer... it's =/= from Patriotism or the love of your Country/Tribe/Race/Identity... It despise them...

It's the Khawarji of our Ideology ecosystem...

 

[Hamza913]

Taking pride in what your forefathers may have done is one thing... Using it to elevate yourself upon others is another.
Nationalism is a cancer... it's =/= from Patriotism or the love of your Country/Tribe/Race/Identity... It despise them...

It's the Khawarji of our Ideology ecosystem...

Agreed. So long as the "pride" does not make one boast, disregard their identity as a Muslim and human being, or feel arrogant it is OK.

The things that people appreciate from their ancestors must also be totally in-line with Islam. For example, you cannot be proud of your ancestors making an idol

 

[KediKesenFare3]

You conveniently forgot to highlight the most important aspect of the verse.

And this doesn't disprove my point at all. It's still haram to boast of one's ancestry, and to consider one's religion or humanity below any other identity they may hold.

Belittling people's ancestry is haram. No sane Muslim will deny this fact; however, denying one's nationality and ethnicity is equally haram. Pakistanis are not worse than Arabs or Turks or Chinese but they are different in a wonderful way. By refusing to accept our differences, you are going against Allah's beautiful creations. He created us equal in rights as human beings but differently in our traditions, languages, experiences etc.

If only being a Muslim is what really matters, why do you guys oppose every change that would lead to a more homogenous society? Get rid of your useless Punjabi, Balooch, Pashtu, Sindhi and other identities. Be a Muslim Pakistani only.

But you won't do this because you're hypocrites.

 

[VCheng]

It is mandatory for Muslims to value our religion and identity as human beings above all else,

But then why are haqood-ul-ibad ranked above haqooq-ul-Allah? Obviously, it is mandatory for Muslims to regard fellow human beings above all else, and not what you state.

Besides, religious threads are a violation of PDF rules, if anyone is watching or cares.

 

[Hamza913]

Belittling people's ancestry is haram. No sane Muslim will deny this fact

Of course, but I'm not belittling anyone's ancestry.

however, denying one's nationality and ethnicity is equally haram.

That's only the case for ethnicity and anything else to do with lineage. Nation-states don't fall under the same category.

By refusing to accept our differences, you are going against Allah's beautiful creations.

I'm not refusing to accept our differences, I'm highlighting what we all share but for some reason that's upsetting you, which only proves my point that people are too invested in this ideology of ethnonationalism.

If only being a Muslim is what really matters, why do you guys oppose every change that would lead to a more homogenous society?

Who's "you guys"? You cannot just stereotype over 200 million people based on what a few people you've met have said.

And your point is quite a silly one that has nothing to do with mine, so I'm just going to ignore it unless you can sufficiently explain it's relevancy.

But you won't do this because you're hypocrites.

You should be careful about throwing around such a term.

But then why are haqood-ul-ibad ranked above haqooq-ul-Allah?

It's not. Huqooq-ul-ibad comes AFTER huqooq-Allah.

 

[VCheng]

It's not. Huqooq-ul-ibad comes AFTER huqooq-ul-Allah.

You are simply incorrect on that one.