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Somali pirates capture 120 Indians sailors

the problem is you cant kill pirates that will put life of hostage at risk. Other day french/duch nave captures pirates they detroyed their wepon and mother ship but let go pirates. Escorting is another good option. Does the marshals in US air planes carry guns? Some times rules have to change!

I think Yes they do ... see the point is flight is max 6-12 hrs ... on sea it can be as long as 90 days the reason mu freind says weapons are not allowed are coz ppl might go into depression and having a weapon on board is like lighting a match in a TNT warehouse :)
 
may i know what is this merchant navy?is it any special place in or indian navy?

The Merchant Navy is a non-combatant commercial fleet, which deals with transporting cargo and occasionally, passengers, by sea.

As we are non combatants we are not allowed to have weapons on board but occasionally u ll find kevlar vest and helmet for personnels on the Bridge.

When crossing Gulf Of Aden(GOA) usually ships have 4 men on watch on the bridge instead of usual 2. All the ships portholes (ie. windows ) blanked off. All lights outside the accommodation area are switched off and ships are in a state virtual blackout barring essential navigation lights.
Crossing GOA is usually a two day journey from entrance of Babel Mandeb to exit into Arabian sea for ship travelling at 20Kts.

Usually ships crossing GOA prefer use the international corridor.
This corridor is like a by lane highway approx 5 Mile wide with naval ships patrolling its edges.

The pirates usually on small motor boats 7-10 mts in length with max speed of 15-18 kts. Hence they prefer targets having less speed (<15kts) and low freeboad.

A ships only defence against a pirate attack is high pressure water hoses rigged to ship side pumping water at 11bars to repel the boarding party evasive maneuvering while OOW radios in for help.
 
Somali pirates have struck again. In the biggest hijacking ever, they captured 8 boats taking nearly 120 Indian sailors hostage. The sailors were on their way from Somalia to Dubai.

The sailors belong to the Saurashtra and Kutch regions of Gujarat. They had anchored last in the rebel territory of Kismayo in Somalia where they loaded cargo into their boats. But moments after leaving the port, pirates captured them. So far, the pirates have not asked for any ransom.


Somali pirates capture 120 Indians sailors - India - The Times of India

Four main pirate groups are operating along the Somali coast. The National Volunteer Coast Guard (NVCG), commanded by Garaad Mohamed, is said to specialize in intercepting small boats and fishing vessels around Kismayu on the southern coast.


A few questions why are goods being shipped from pirate controlled areas to Dubai and what "goods" were they transporting?

Secondly what the heck were they doing any where near Kismayo?

Though i feel for the families of those captured you sail in to a pirate strong hold, trade with them and then the pirates double cross you dont scream for the navy to risk lives to come save you.
 
Its a tragic incident. Atleast the sailors are safe for now.

i noticed some Indian members taking offence at some Chinese members' posts. Please don't let nationality be an issue when interpreting someone's posts. I personally felt that the posts were pretty reasonable. The sailors lives' are more important. We can talk of making sacrifices for the greater good, but how many of you would actually be inclined to make that sacrifice if one of those sailors was your father, brother or son? besides, is that sacrifice necessary? i havent seen any other nation put so many people's lives at risk to fight the somali pirates.

I think India's first priority should be to get the sailors home safely. A naval operation against the pirates can put the hostages' lives at risk. Better to pay the ransom, get the sailors home, then attack the pirates and make them rue the day they ever messed with us.

When it comes to Somali piracy, Indians and Chinese and pretty much anyone sailing through the Gulf of Aden are in the same boat. we have all suffered at the hands of the pirates and a success for any one of us is a success for all. Once we teach the pirates a lesson, the international community should cooperate in securing the area.
 
All US, NATO, Russian, Chinese and Indian Navy are impotent.

Also, Saudi Arabia is self-proclaimed as center of Islam, but Somali pirates (most of them claims that they are Muslim) still hjack Saudi ships.

I think that Nuclear bomb is the final solution.
 
All US, NATO, Russian, Chinese and Indian Navy are impotent.

Also, Saudi Arabia is self-proclaimed as center of Islam, but Somali pirates (most of them claims that they are Muslim) still hjack Saudi ships.

I think that Nuclear bomb is the final solution.

Pardon my ignorance but are you really suggesing this for Somalian pirates?? :what:
 
All US, NATO, Russian, Chinese and Indian Navy are impotent.

Also, Saudi Arabia is self-proclaimed as center of Islam, but Somali pirates (most of them claims that they are Muslim) still hjack Saudi ships.

I think that Nuclear bomb is the final solution.

And where exactly do u plan to drop the bomb?

These pirates have hideouts in coastal areas populated by thousands of innocent civillians. And they will have hideouts spread across somali coastline, and a few inland as well.

So basically you are suggesting wiping out half of somalia to kill a few hundred individuals. So who is the real extremist here?

So according to your logic, nukes should be used everywhere extrremism is present isn't it? so nukes should be used against taliban in afghanistan and pakistan, in kashmir, in chechnya and even the chinese province where there was some unrest a while back?

Thank god the rest of humanity isn't as naive as you.
 
Its a tragic incident. Atleast the sailors are safe for now.

i noticed some Indian members taking offence at some Chinese members' posts. Please don't let nationality be an issue when interpreting someone's posts. I personally felt that the posts were pretty reasonable. The sailors lives' are more important. We can talk of making sacrifices for the greater good, but how many of you would actually be inclined to make that sacrifice if one of those sailors was your father, brother or son? besides, is that sacrifice necessary? i havent seen any other nation put so many people's lives at risk to fight the somali pirates.

I think India's first priority should be to get the sailors home safely. A naval operation against the pirates can put the hostages' lives at risk. Better to pay the ransom, get the sailors home, then attack the pirates and make them rue the day they ever messed with us.

When it comes to Somali piracy, Indians and Chinese and pretty much anyone sailing through the Gulf of Aden are in the same boat. we have all suffered at the hands of the pirates and a success for any one of us is a success for all. Once we teach the pirates a lesson, the international community should cooperate in securing the area.

Good post, sir. Unfortunately, some indian only watch my flag instead of reading my post. :lol:
 
Here's Something To Think About:

Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy – backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China – is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labelling as "one of the great menaces of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell – and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" – from 1650 to 1730 – the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage Bluebeard that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often saved from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains Of All Nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence.
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If you became a merchant or navy sailor then – plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry – you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked often, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied – and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively, without torture. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century".

They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly – and subversively – that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal Navy." This is why they were romantic heroes, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age, a young British man called William Scott, should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirateing to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail – but who is the robber?

Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
 
These clowns need to be tought a lesson, of course many pirates have been captured and killed but they continue their foolish games.
 
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I think that Nuclear bomb is the final solution
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Ooookeee brother, I know HKSAR has amazing free speech and what not, and you are clearly exercising it to the hilt ...

But who are you trying to impress here? I assure you that the ones who read your comment above are not impressed, and the ones you perhaps are trying to "impress" (Pirates etc) probably ain't got the iPhones to read them - much less scared by them.

Did idle talk scare the Chinese in the 1950s/60s who had nothing to lose?

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Regards,
 
wy are we fighting over here

like nooooobs

i liked many posts from chinese members

wy cant we stop trolling

is tat has become habit for us

cant we agree on onething atleast

and offcourse pakistan has navy and a strong one and is doing great
 
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