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KARACHI:

A few days ago, former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf claimed that the army stood with him and was against his trial for treason.

Is that really the case?

To answer this, one needs to recall relations between Musharraf and his former institution since 2007.

First consider the early reports that he had to be urged out of office of the chief of army staff by his own lieutenants, who had suffered a public relations battering following one controversy after another with him in uniform – particularly after the emergency.

Then he continued to sit in the presidency even after the 2008 elections. Eventually, he was faced with impeachment – but the move didn’t materialise despite months of threats by a new government that ought to have moved instantly on the matter. It only picked up steam when Musharraf refused to go.

He ultimately managed to escape the embarrassment of being impeached and stepped out of the presidency unscathed – that too to a guard of honour, which was an achievement in itself given the national mood at the time.

Then he was reluctant to leave the country after stepping down. Once again, it was said that the former commando was unwilling to ‘retreat’ abroad in the face of rising political temperatures and, more importantly, during a phase that the army wanted to rebuild its image. Even a retired officers’ society had taken to targeting Musharraf. And then there were the cases.

He eventually managed to fly abroad without any hue and cry or before any of the cases materialised.

But, other than the first few months, it was not a life of quiet retirement, like all other retired army chiefs. He formed a political party and periodically threatened to return – reminding everyone of a lot of things.

Meanwhile, during his absence, the army had retreated to the barracks. They were headed by a man that was his polar opposite. Many had termed Kayani the quiet general, a man known for his professionalism. He gave speeches about the army’s support for democracy and the need to learn from and not repeat past mistakes. The continued influence that Pindi exercised in Islamabad was quiet and unassuming at most times.

As the rebuilding job continued, many say that the Army had to continue to plead with the former general to stay put in London every time he promised to return.

He had a cozy pad in the UK, and lots of friends visiting. He went on well-paid lecture tours and attended the odd pheasant hunt. He even had security protocol – first from Pakistan and then from the UK’s security services. There were cases against him at home, but no one was pushing for him to be “extradited” – not even an activist judiciary. It was the life most retirees dream of.

But evidently not Musharraf.

He surprised everyone by returning just before the May 2013 elections. Given history, this return was not only that of an individual, but of a spectre rising from the dead for the Army – a spectre that it had effectively done a great job of exorcising in the five years following his departure.

Suddenly the cases reopened upon his return. Benazir’s assassination. Bugti’s assassination. The Lal Masjid Operation. There would be court appearances, charge-sheets and questioning by IOs – surely embarrassing ones for his former institution. Despite his periodic cameos, the army had just completed a painful rebuilding job.

Yet again there was intervention. Instead of a dingy prison/detention cell, the former chief would be ‘held’ at his plush farmhouse in Chak Shehzad. Bails came easily – one after another. The coast was clear. Now’s the time, sir. But he insisted he wanted to face all the cases.

Time continued to slip by.

Then it happened after much delay: The mother of all cases, the most obvious one, the trial concerning his usurping of power, would begin. The government had threatened, but dithered; they gave him time. They gave the army time. The lead-up period had many murmurs of behind-the-scenes urging. It seemed to have little effect.

Eventually matters could not have moved this far without some sort of nod, a frustrated shrug, from Pindi.

With the walls closing in on him, Musharraf has ‘fallen ill’ and the case seems to have come to a grinding halt. The exit has opened up once again, and the light is green.

If and when he exits the country, Musharraf will probably have realised something about all these favours.

His statement that the army was not happy with his trial is in so many ways true. Perhaps it has finally dawned on him that the unhappiness was clearly not with the civilian government or the judiciary.
 
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KARACHI:

A few days ago, former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf claimed that the army stood with him and was against his trial for treason.

Is that really the case?

To answer this, one needs to recall relations between Musharraf and his former institution since 2007.

First consider the early reports that he had to be urged out of office of the chief of army staff by his own lieutenants, who had suffered a public relations battering following one controversy after another with him in uniform – particularly after the emergency.

Then he continued to sit in the presidency even after the 2008 elections. Eventually, he was faced with impeachment – but the move didn’t materialise despite months of threats by a new government that ought to have moved instantly on the matter. It only picked up steam when Musharraf refused to Then he continued to sit in the presidency even after the 2008 elections. Eventually, he was faced with impeachment – but the move didn’t materialise despite months of threats by a new government that ought to have moved instantly on the matter. It only picked up steam when Musharraf refused to Then he continued to sit in the presidency even after the 2008 elections. Eventually, he was faced with impeachment – but the move didn’t materialise despite months of threats by a new government that ought to have moved instantly on the matter. It only picked up steam when Musharraf refused to Then he continued to sit in the presidency even after the 2008 elections. Eventually, he was faced with impeachment – but the move didn’t materialise despite months of threats by a new government that ought to have moved instantly on the matter. It only picked up steam when Musharraf refused to go.

He ultimately managed to escape the embarrassment of being impeached and stepped out of the presidency unscathed – that too to a guard of honour, which was an achievement in itself given the national mood at the time.

Then he was reluctant to leave the country after stepping down. Once again, it was said that the former commando was unwilling to ‘retreat’ abroad in the face of rising political temperatures and, more importantly, during a phase that the army wanted to rebuild its image. Even a retired officers’ society had taken to targeting Musharraf. And then there were the Then he was reluctant to leave the country after stepping down. Once again, it was said that the former commando was unwilling to ‘retreat’ abroad in the face of rising political temperatures and, more importantly, during a phase that the army wanted to rebuild its image. Even a retired officers’ society had taken to targeting Musharraf. And then there were the Then he was reluctant to leave the country after stepping down. Once again, it was said that the former commando was unwilling to ‘retreat’ abroad in the face of rising political temperatures and, more importantly, during a phase that the army wanted to rebuild its image. Even a retired officers’ society had taken to targeting Musharraf. And then there were the Then he was reluctant to leave the country after stepping down. Once again, it was said that the former commando was unwilling to ‘retreat’ abroad in the face of rising political temperatures and, more importantly, during a phase that the army wanted to rebuild its image. Even a retired officers’ society had taken to targeting Musharraf. And then there were the cases.

He eventually managed to fly abroad without any hue and cry or before any of the cases materialised.

But, other than the first few months, it was not a life of quiet retirement, like all other retired army chiefs. He formed a political party and periodically threatened to return – reminding everyone of a lot of things.

Meanwhile, during his absence, the army had retreated to the barracks. They were headed by a man that was his polar opposite. Many had termed Kayani the quiet general, a man known for his professionalism. He gave speeches about the army’s support for democracy and the need to learn from and not repeat past mistakes. The continued influence that Pindi exercised in Islamabad was quiet and unassuming at most times.

As the rebuilding job continued, many say that the Army had to continue to plead with the former general to stay put in London every time he promised to return.

He had a cozy pad in the UK, and lots of friends visiting. He went on well-paid lecture tours and attended the odd pheasant hunt. He even had security protocol – first from Pakistan and then from the UK’s security services. There were cases against him at home, but no one was pushing for him to be “extradited” – not even an activist judiciary. It was the life most retirees dream He had a cozy pad in the UK, and lots of friends visiting. He went on well-paid lecture tours and attended the odd pheasant hunt. He even had security protocol – first from Pakistan and then from the UK’s security services. There were cases agains

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musharraf came back because he loves his country and army is not doing enough to support him because he is not a punjabi elite
 
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Musharraf should not be leaving Pakistan not because he came to defend Pakistan but he was a criminal and did so many crimes against Pakistan which still hurt us.... He sold so many Pakistani for the $$ and people say his time was good as foreign exchange was good but by selling fellow Pakistani not by industries or any other economy activities...

Commando kisi sei nahi darta per court main jatay howay soso nikal gaya :rofl::rofl::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
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Musharraf should not be leaving Pakistan not because he came to defend Pakistan but he was a criminal and did so many crimes against Pakistan which still hurt us.... He sold so many Pakistani for the $$ and people say his time was good as foreign exchange was good but by selling fellow Pakistani not by industries or any other economy activities...

wow, lets talk about ignorance and retard statements
 
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Stalin to Mr Bean! What a transformation...
What Stalin? Have you lived in Pakistan during his time? Please spare us the silly commentary on Musharraf.

Musharraf should not be leaving Pakistan not because he came to defend Pakistan but he was a criminal and did so many crimes against Pakistan which still hurt us.... He sold so many Pakistani for the $$ and people say his time was good as foreign exchange was good but by selling fellow Pakistani not by industries or any other economy activities...

Commando kisi sei nahi darta per court main jatay howay soso nikal gaya :rofl::rofl::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Can you name one Pakistani citizen he sold for $$ with proof and credible evidence please?
He has been to that sham, kangaroo court a dozen plus times now even at the old age of 70.

Pakistan is hurting because of the hypocrisy and the penchant of its people to self-destruct. Ours is a nation that cannot be fixed by one leader no matter how sincere he/she is.
 
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musharraf came back because he loves his country and army is not doing enough to support him because he is not a punjabi elite
Army as an institution cannot come out in his support because he is a private citizen now. What has to be done in his support as the former CoAS should be done through the back channels. Instead of this witch hunt, Pakistan needs to move on. Even if Musharraf is convicted, which clearly would be very unfairly and falsely, it won't strengthen anything for the democratic process because he is being charged on issues which pertain to a declaration of emergency. That is not the original sin, rather the takeover of 1999 was. So this is nothing but a witch hunt on behalf of the PML-N and Chaudhry Iftikhar posse who want to see Musharraf suffering to satisfy their own egos. Both NS and the former CJP were parties to military takeovers in their time. This is what the hypocrites running around frothing at the mouth and baying for Musharraf's blood don't want to admit.

Had our people an ounce of ghairat, they would have reminded the current government of the growing tumor of militancy and the general economic malaise that is eating Pakistan from within. That is in need of immediate counter, not digging up useless cases and trying to exorcise all of our collective ghost of accommodating military takeovers on Musharraf's expense.
 
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It is interesting that our Gen Ershad has taken refuge in CMH to escape public wrath,and Mush similarly is in a military hospital. But Mush could be actually ill, although a person playing tennis everyday and taking regular exercise should not suddenly develop several blocks.
 
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Musharraf should not be leaving Pakistan not because he came to defend Pakistan but he was a criminal and did so many crimes against Pakistan which still hurt us.... He sold so many Pakistani for the $$ and people say his time was good as foreign exchange was good but by selling fellow Pakistani not by industries or any other economy activities...

Commando kisi sei nahi darta per court main jatay howay soso nikal gaya :rofl::rofl::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Why than Rehman Malik, with all his might, failed to establish single evidence against him?

Every person knows that politicians are pressing cases without any evidence and legal stand.

It is interesting that our Gen Ershad has taken refuge in CMH to escape public wrath,and Mush similarly is in a military hospital. But Mush could be actually ill, although a person playing tennis everyday and taking regular exercise should not suddenly develop several blocks.

Hindu slaves shall keep quite on matters higher than their stature.
 
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It is interesting that our Gen Ershad has taken refuge in CMH to escape public wrath,and Mush similarly is in a military hospital. But Mush could be actually ill, although a person playing tennis everyday and taking regular exercise should not suddenly develop several blocks.

Yes, very odd. Now why would a 71 year old man betrayed by half the nation and constantly surviving assassination attempts suddenly fall ill?
 
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musharraf came back because he loves his country and army is not doing enough to support him because he is not a punjabi elite
ooooooo comeeeee oooonnnnnn :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall: its pakistan army not some bullshit punjabi,sindi,balochi,pathan or any other nationalist.............. for God sake come out of this bullshit....
 
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Army as an institution cannot come out in his support because he is a private citizen now. What has to be done in his support as the former CoAS should be done through the back channels. Instead of this witch hunt, Pakistan needs to move on. Even if Musharraf is convicted, which clearly would be very unfairly and falsely, it won't strengthen anything for the democratic process because he is being charged on issues which pertain to a declaration of emergency. That is not the original sin, rather the takeover of 1999 was. So this is nothing but a witch hunt on behalf of the PML-N and Chaudhry Iftikhar posse who want to see Musharraf suffering to satisfy their own egos. Both NS and the former CJP were parties to military takeovers in their time. This is what the hypocrites running around frothing at the mouth and baying for Musharraf's blood don't want to admit.

Had our people an ounce of ghairat, they would have reminded the current government of the growing tumor of militancy and the general economic malaise that is eating Pakistan from within. That is in need of immediate counter, not digging up useless cases and trying to exorcise all of our collective ghost of accommodating military takeovers on Musharraf's expense.

Finding one COAS guilty of the crime of treason for an unconstitutional act would act as an important deterrent for the future and lay the groundwork for removing the holier-than-thou cloak of impunity enjoyed by that post, would it not?
 
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Finding one COAS guilty of the crime of treason for an unconstitutional act would act as an important deterrent for the future and lay the groundwork for removing the holier-than-thou cloak of impunity enjoyed by that post, would it not?
Holding the judiciary in detention is NOT treason. It seems everyone has got on to the treason bandwagon now without realizing how flimsy and opportunistic this charge is. If Musharraf is guilty of treason for this act of holding the members of the higher judiciary in detention, then why is NS not being held accountable for having members of his party storm the premises of the SCP when Justice Sajjad was the CJP and harassing him and his staff? Was that not an act of aggression against the superior judiciary? As far as the treason charge is concerned, you must know that "Abeyance" was not a treasonous offense in 2007. The law was changed in 2010 long after Musharraf was gone.

So am I blind or do people not realize the hypocrisy and double standards all over this mess?

Secondly, if you think that finding only a former CoAS guilty, leaving alone all the aiders and abettors of his and past military takeovers, and that too in such a shoddy manner is going to act as a deterrence then its nothing but wishful thinking. What it actually will do is that it will ensure that any future military takeover is ruthless to make sure no loose ends are left. This will lead to an unprecedented "bloody" military takeover in Pakistan. All those suggesting that Pakistan has moved on and there will not be another military takeover should realize that this is exactly what was being said in the late 80s and throughout 90s.

In Turkey a precedence was set with the entire military leadership and their abettors in the civil side getting punished or censored. This would be the fair way to go about this by prosecuting the takeover of 1999. Our dishonest government and the motivated judiciary don't have it in them to do the right thing.
 
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