Should Russia buy J-10B from China to copy DSI technology

[Superboy]

I think should. DSI is really cool.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Russian aircraft tech is superior to that of China, so long as they can, they will produce their own systems.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Now is that a joke they have the MiG-35 why should go for J-10b yes it's a good fighter but I don't think it's any better than the MiG-35.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

It's Russia's money, so they can do what they want. If it were my money, I would not. DSI dates to the 90s, with F-16 research. It produced a marginal benefit. Not enough to retrofit the fleet. Enough that it was incorporated into the F-35 (but not the F-22?? not sure).

If Russia couldn't steal or self-develop the technology in that time, they are too unmotivated to buy it, so I expect they will not.

Edit: An aircraft is more than a single piece of tech. VTOL was all the thing for a while. Maybe it will come back, but right now it has very special use-cases (small carriers). Everyone else has moved on. DSI is ok, but it isn't really a game changer. No one is going to buy a plane for a single piece of tech that has to be designed into the aircraft anyhow. The principles are well known. The application and its efficiency will depend on the particular implementation. So, I don't see it as much of an advantage to anyone to buy a DSI-equipped plane for the purpose of understanding DSI. Better off spending the money on wind-tunnel experiments with your own designs.

 

[Superboy]

It's Russia's money, so they can do what they want. If it were my money, I would not. DSI dates to the 90s, with F-16 research. It produced a marginal benefit. Not enough to retrofit the fleet. Enough that it was incorporated into the F-35 (but not the F-22?? not sure).

If Russia couldn't steal or self-develop the technology in that time, they are too unmotivated to buy it, so I expect they will not.

When F-22 was developed in the 1990s, there was no DSI technology.

 

[Tsilihin]

Both countries are ready for joint project especially in aviation.
That will make a further progress in plane industry.

 

[asad71]

Well done PAF. Your Thunder has DSI.

 

[Sankpal]

Thank you...At least i laugh after mentally busy day in office................... and About DSI..... please not again

 

[Penguin]

When F-22 was developed in the 1990s, there was no DSI technology.

Really?

• Research into the DSI was done by LMCO in the early 1990s. The first DSI was flown on 11 December 1996, installed on F-16 block 30
• In 1981 the U.S. Air Force developed a requirement for an Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF).
• A request for proposals (RFP) was issued in July 1986 and two contractor teams, Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics and Northrop/McDonnell Douglas, were selected on 31 October 1986 to undertake a 50-month demonstration phase, culminating in the flight test of two technology demonstrator prototypes, YF-22 and YF-23.
• After a 90-day flight test validation of the prototypes, on 23 April 1991, SecUSAF Donald Rice announced the YF-22 as the winner of the ATF competition.
• The USAF had originally envisioned ordering 750 ATFs at a cost of $26.2 billion, with production beginning in 1994. The 1990 Major Aircraft Review led by SecDef Dick Cheney reduced the number to 648 aircraft beginning in 1996.
• The first F-22, an engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) aircraft named Raptor 4001, was unveiled at Marietta, Georgia on 9 April 1997, and first flew on 7 September 1997.

You think with 6 years between prototype YF-22 and first production F-22, it would be possible to apply some of the lessons learned from research?

 

[Skull and Bones]

All it takes is to run dozen of simulations in fluid dynamics to accumulate proper data on DSI to implement it on any platform.

 

[SipahSalar]

VTOL was all the thing for a while.

SVTOL is still a thing. It ruined the F 35 program all thanks to your USMC.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

SVTOL is still a thing. It ruined the F 35 program all thanks to your USMC.

Indeed! But it isn't fully VTOL, and no one but the Marines want it - special case! I think they should put some money into A-10s instead, but... oh well.

 

[Superboy]

Really?

• Research into the DSI was done by LMCO in the early 1990s. The first DSI was flown on 11 December 1996, installed on F-16 block 30
• In 1981 the U.S. Air Force developed a requirement for an Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF).
• A request for proposals (RFP) was issued in July 1986 and two contractor teams, Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics and Northrop/McDonnell Douglas, were selected on 31 October 1986 to undertake a 50-month demonstration phase, culminating in the flight test of two technology demonstrator prototypes, YF-22 and YF-23.
• After a 90-day flight test validation of the prototypes, on 23 April 1991, SecUSAF Donald Rice announced the YF-22 as the winner of the ATF competition.
• The USAF had originally envisioned ordering 750 ATFs at a cost of $26.2 billion, with production beginning in 1994. The 1990 Major Aircraft Review led by SecDef Dick Cheney reduced the number to 648 aircraft beginning in 1996.
• The first F-22, an engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) aircraft named Raptor 4001, was unveiled at Marietta, Georgia on 9 April 1997, and first flew on 7 September 1997.

You think with 6 years between prototype YF-22 and first production F-22, it would be possible to apply some of the lessons learned from research?

I think F-22B was supposed to have DSI had Obama not killed off F-22 program at F-22A.

 

[NKVD]

I think F-22B was supposed to have DSI had Obama not killed off F-22 program at F-22A.

Well they should have copied it from indians.Here we fly kites with DSI technology.

 

[Penguin]

Indeed! But it isn't fully VTOL, and no one but the Marines want it - special case! I think they should put some money into A-10s instead, but... oh well.

You might find this an interesting read:
7 Things The Marines Have To Do To Make The F-35B Worth The Huge Cost