Should NS be allowed to travel abroad? And if he does, than would you still support Imran Khan?

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Establishment wants him to leave as he is very popular in punjab and if anything happen to him tgan forget the bhutto reaction it will be worse

He is not has DM, HTN, heart disease nothing out of ordinary having said at 70 years he is pretty old


Because he is loved in punjab more than ZAB was loved in sindh

He is loved like mujeeb ur rehman was loved in bengal

The recent evidence doesn't support that. The crowds in support of Nawaz when he returned to go to jail, the crowds when he was taken to the hospital, the crowds supporting the Azadi march despite Nawaz issuing a statement that the Azadi march should be supported - they were all ridiculously small in contrast to the population of Punjab.

Support for Nawaz is more pragmatic (interest groups that benefited from PMLN rule etc) than it is ideological. In general, Punjabis are not really interested in 'organic street agitation' (excluding the crowds pulled by the religious parties) on behalf of politicians. Punjabis are the largest ethnic group by far so 'Punjabi persecution' claims don't really resonate with Punjabis. Punjab is the most developed province in Pakistan so Punjabis aren't going to claim they're being discriminated against with respect to development.

Finally, Nawaz doesn't really offer any kind of ideology that people can latch onto and get excited about. I mean, what's Nawaz's rallying cry? The Bhutto's tap into Sindhi nationalism & ZA & Benazir Bhutto's charisma and socialist ideology (and of course their strong network of Wadera support) - what's Nawaz got? Motorways?

 

[BATMAN]

I see... and why do they hate Altafoo?

PTI hate no one but Nawaz Sharif. Any street kid in Pakistan, will confirm this.

 

[VCheng]

The recent evidence doesn't support that. The crowds in support of Nawaz when he returned to go to jail, the crowds when he was taken to the hospital, the crowds supporting the Azadi march despite Nawaz issuing a statement that the Azadi march should be supported - they were all ridiculously small in contrast to the population of Punjab.

Support for Nawaz is more pragmatic (interest groups that benefited from PMLN rule etc) than it is ideological. In general, Punjabis are not really interested in 'organic street agitation' (excluding the crowds pulled by the religious parties) on behalf of politicians. Punjabis are the largest ethnic group by far so 'Punjabi persecution' claims don't really resonate with Punjabis. Punjab is the most developed province in Pakistan so Punjabis aren't going to claim they're being discriminated against with respect to development.

Finally, Nawaz doesn't really offer any kind of ideology that people can latch onto and get excited about. I mean, what's Nawaz's rallying cry? The Bhutto's tap into Sindhi nationalism & ZA & Benazir Bhutto's charisma and socialist ideology (and of course their strong network of Wadera support) - what's Nawaz got? Motorways?

And yet PTI struggled to win sets from Punjab due to support for PML-N.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This hereditary pseudo monarchies are the greatest curse on Pakistan.

Bilawal and Maryam are already waiting on the sides. They have time on their sides as PMIK is about to clock 70 and they are less then half his age. This is where PMIK annoys me. Instead of tossing with principles [eventually learning that in Pakistani politics you have to make compromises as the political dynasties are now entrenched in Pakistan society. He should have back in 1999 grabbed Gen Musharaf's tail like Nawaz did [Gen Zia], like Bhutto did [Gen Ayub] and got himself express ticket to halls of power. Then once inside he could have secured his power base. But alas we lost 20 years. But I guess that is IK for you. We know he is extremely stubborn.

Now we should all pray he gets another term and in decade Pakistani polity matures with rise of new generation of politicians that finally pushes the dynasties into the corner.

 

[VCheng]

Now we should all pray he gets another term and in decade Pakistani polity matures with rise of new generation of politicians that finally pushes the dynasties into the corner.

He should win or lose on the basis of his results and record, and not on prayers on the wings of angels.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

PTI hate no one but Nawaz Sharif. Any street a kid in Pakistan, will confirm this.

I have never seen PTI hating anyone other than Nawaz Sharif, and even more so Marryam Safdar.

It's because Imran Khan, quite shrewdly, made the PMLN & PMLN leadership the main target of his anti-corruption rhetoric. It made sense from a political perspective because there are very few ways to form a government in the Center without winning Punjab or at least doing well in Punjab. Breaking the PPP's hold on Sindh was, is & will be a much harder task, so it made sense to make the PMLN the main target.

The fallout of all that rhetoric, of course, is that PTI supporters are also quite antagonistic towards the PMLN leadership. It also doesn't help that the PMLN unfairly targeted Jemima (who is hugely popular with PTI supporters) when she was married to IK.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

He should have back in 1999 grabbed Gen Musharaf's tail like Nawaz did [Gen Zia], like Bhutto did [Gen Ayub] and got himself express ticket to halls of power.

The funny part? Despite not grabbing the tail offered by Gen. Musharaf and slogging on for another 20 years he gets called "selected" by the so called "elected" who were birthed by Gen Ayub and Gen Zia.

 

[El Sidd]

There is little provision in the law to allow such preferential treatment for anyone as per constitution of Pakistan.

The government however holds executive power in this regard. Mr. Khan is likely to facilitate Mr. Sharifs exit from Pakistan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

He should win or lose on the basis of his results and record, and not on prayers on the wings of angels.

As a secularist you know I don't subsribe to the notion that prayers get what you want. I used 'prayers' as in hope.

 

[BATMAN]

It's because Imran Khan, quite shrewdly, made the PMLN & PMLN leadership the main target of his anti-corruption rhetoric. It made sense from a political perspective because there are very few ways to form a government in the Center without winning Punjab or at least doing well in Punjab. Breaking the PPP's hold on Sindh was, is & will be a much harder task, so it made sense to make the PMLN the main target.

The fallout of all that rhetoric, of course, is that PTI supporters are also quite antagonistic towards the PMLN leadership. It also doesn't help that the PMLN unfairly targeted Jemima (who is hugely popular with PTI supporters) when she was married to IK.

That could be one rational logic but what's with Jemima - PMLN feud? never seen that!

 

[Baghial]

He should win or lose on the basis of his results and record, and not on prayers on the wings of angels.

sharif family is willing to give money by 3rd party-

they dont want any money trail on there name , just like panama papers
because as soon as any member puts his name on security surity bond they will be doomed politicaly,because PTI enfant leaders will be mocking sharifs ..as guilt admission..

money is no problem but the sharifs will never sign any paper with there name,,

that will be death warrent of politics....

life n death is known to only allah................... but the sharif,s will hang nawaz, death on imran nzi..

nawaz will not survive 2020........ he is at half dead allready------thats why the army n courts were afraid to keep him in jail

now the gun is hanging on imrans head.




why not ask for hassan n hussain as gurantee.. to come and sit in jail
'
?????they r wanted anyway by law in pakistan,-let the father go....

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And yet PTI struggled to win sets from Punjab due to support for PML-N.

Pragmatic & 'safe' support. Shahbaz Sharif did a reasonable job governing Punjab, many people chose to go with a 'good' status quo rather than take a risk with an untried entity breathing fire and brimstone against corruption.

But I'd phrase PTI's victory differently - instead of looking at it as 'PTI barely won a majority in Punjab', look at it as 'the PTI went from almost zero to fifty percent'. That is a very significant gain.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is where Pakistan Army's weakness as a 'political army' comes in. If this had been pre-war German Army, Red Army or PLA in China the Pakistani state would have stood up against -

• the traders
• Mullah Deisel's foot soldiers
• disgruntled public
• PML-N rabble

And if they all converged brought out the army in the form of Al-Khalid tanks to crush the mob in H-9. But as I said in another thread Pakistan is a soft state. If chaos had prevailed Gen Bajwa would have done a analysis. If he and his corp commanders thought it would entail brutal force they would have gone top PMIK and told him to step down. And file for fresh elections with provisional government taking over with 24 hours.

 

[Baghial]

It's because Imran Khan, quite shrewdly, made the PMLN & PMLN leadership the main target of his anti-corruption rhetoric. It made sense from a political perspective because there are very few ways to form a government in the Center without winning Punjab or at least doing well in Punjab. Breaking the PPP's hold on Sindh was, is & will be a much harder task, so it made sense to make the PMLN the main target.

The fallout of all that rhetoric, of course, is that PTI supporters are also quite antagonistic towards the PMLN leadership. It also doesn't help that the PMLN unfairly targeted Jemima (who is hugely popular with PTI supporters) when she was married to IK.

if imran lets nawaz, she-baz- zardari go and rot abroad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he has an open goal post------

no apponent---no opposition--------- mirzi akehla nachay gali-gali--
win-win-

only 1 problem-------------

thats not his plan -----------but pindi wali wants that-

soon friction will emerge of army /pti honeymoon period being over---

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

soon friction will emerge of army /pti honeymoon period being over

Doubt it.