Shocking!! Trudeau says Pope Francis should apologize on Canadian soil

[hualushui]

bullshit. the Canadians came clean in the end and paid billions in compensation to the survivors.

i don't see the Chinese govt doing that for the Tibetans and the Uighurs!

 

[PeaceGen]

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here's a taste of some evidence about the Uighur situation :

China's Disappeared Uyghurs: What Satellite Images Reveal

At least one million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities have vanished into a sprawling network of camps and prisons in China's far west. Satellite images show brightly lit compounds, wall after wall of barbed wire, and a sudden rush to build what appear to be fortified preschools.

www.rand.org

i'll post more in the coming days

Hong kong is no longer under British rule, what China does in her own country has anything to do with you?

Do you think it's right for the western colonists to rob Hong kong from China in the first place? do you believe it's right for the western colonists to tell China what Hong kong should be like after they left? This shouldn't have happened in the first place, China didn't go after the west for their colonization of Chinese land for a century, and the west has the shame to ask China what to do about our lands and people, what a bandit logic.

so you get to criticize the west for how we treat our minorities, but we can't do the same to you?
again : that's hypocrisy, bro.

 

[beijingwalker]

here's a taste of some evidence about the Uighur situation :

China's Disappeared Uyghurs: What Satellite Images Reveal

At least one million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities have vanished into a sprawling network of camps and prisons in China's far west. Satellite images show brightly lit compounds, wall after wall of barbed wire, and a sudden rush to build what appear to be fortified preschools.

www.rand.org

i'll post more in the coming days

so you get to criticize the west for how we treat our minorities, but we can't do the same to you?
again : that's hypocrisy, bro.

Criticism is ok, deliberate smearing and slandering is not, western "criticism" largely lacks in places where they should be, why we didn't see western countries rally support sign petitions in UN to criticize the recently Israeli move in Palestine? talking about hypocricy...

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

somebody tell this chootarr treudue that it is canada that should apologize first and pay reparations to the native population, the genocide took place on canadian soil!

Done and in process if you keep an eye on Canuck news. We do not shy away from acknowledging the mistakes of earlier generation of Canadians and from actively working towards reconciliation unlike numerous other countries/people.

Trudeau might be a flamboyant, incompetent attention-whore but he is right in asking the Catholic Church to apologize. If he had balls though, he would ask the royal family to apologize as well.

 

[hualushui]

here's a taste of some evidence about the Uighur situation :

China's Disappeared Uyghurs: What Satellite Images Reveal

At least one million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities have vanished into a sprawling network of camps and prisons in China's far west. Satellite images show brightly lit compounds, wall after wall of barbed wire, and a sudden rush to build what appear to be fortified preschools.

www.rand.org

i'll post more in the coming days

so you get to criticize the west for how we treat our minorities, but we can't do the same to you?
again : that's hypocrisy, bro.

here's a taste of some evidence about the Uighur situation :

China's Disappeared Uyghurs: What Satellite Images Reveal

At least one million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities have vanished into a sprawling network of camps and prisons in China's far west. Satellite images show brightly lit compounds, wall after wall of barbed wire, and a sudden rush to build what appear to be fortified preschools.

www.rand.org

i'll post more in the coming days

so you get to criticize the west for how we treat our minorities, but we can't do the same to you?
again : that's hypocrisy, bro.

How many people did the Netherlands massacre in Indonesia?

 

[Globenim]

Genocidal colonialists putting up a show to declare themself redeemed from their own crimes, conveniently also when facing backlash from the world over their hostile propagandas hypocrisy. 5 minutes later they are back to the old new neocolonial propaganda script.

They are not answering to some international court or the victims judgement. They are themself patting on their own back for "acknowledging" crimes they willfully and knowingly comitted with a little bit of show. Mission accomplished then whipe the record clean. They only say sorry after victims have been completely wipe out, crushed or left in the dust. But nobody is there to press charges on the culprit and hold them really accountable. At best the survivors are waved some crumbs at the mercy of their own murderers, slaverdrivers etc, if it is even that and its not just a cover for bribes and interferrence into foreign politics in their own favour like it currently happens with so called "reparations" in Africa.

 

[Globenim]

so you get to criticize the west for how we treat our minorities, but we can't do the same to you?
again : that's hypocrisy, bro.

"So we comitted genocide against the native population in their own land we occupy until very recently and you critizise us about our fake morals and conduct, but we cant even critizise China for liberating its own land and people from our violent and bloddy colonialization and oppression of our free opium drug cartel?! "

No, that's not what normal people call hypocrisy. Thats simply not drinking your genocidal regimes coolaid.

 

[TNT]

The westerners now act as if they are champions of humanity, in reality they are the worst barbarians the human kind has ever seen. These animals killed scores of indigenous people by so many ways, even by giving them small pox infected blankets, how low can a human being fall? Its evident from the fact that not even 1℅ of population of US, canada or Australia is indigenous, they killed all of them and now teach others human rights.

 

[Path-Finder]

ahhh, hmmn.

 

[PeaceGen]

Criticism is ok, deliberate smearing and slandering is not, western "criticism" largely lacks in places where they should be, why we didn't see western countries rally support sign petitions in UN to criticize the recently Israeli move in Palestine? talking about hypocricy...

"So we comitted genocide against the native population in their own land we occupy until very recently and you critizise us about our fake morals and conduct, but we cant even critizise China for liberating its own land and people from our violent and bloddy colonialization and oppression of our free opium drug cartel?! "

No, that's not what normal people call hypocrisy. Thats simply not drinking your genocidal regimes coolaid.

Flatout denying accusations of human rights abuse and at the same time flatout refusing to provide evidence of your innocence in such matters (past *and* present!), and then trying to derail the discussion about today and the near future with remarks about past sins by your discussion partners,
gets nothing done to prevent such suffering of the innocent by any government.

i have a habit of informing NATO, Russian and Chinese mass media companies, political parties, and intel organisation with ideas for preventing war and the suffering of the innocent.
now : do any of you China-supporters here do that?

The westerners now act as if they are champions of humanity, in reality they are the worst barbarians the human kind has ever seen. These animals killed scores of indigenous people by so many ways, even by giving them small pox infected blankets, how low can a human being fall? Its evident from the fact that not even 1℅ of population of US, canada or Australia is indigenous, they killed all of them and now teach others human rights.

ahum! i've tried to look for a simple reliable and independent casualty count of the many internal wars that China went through (+-200BC), but could find only battle descriptions, many of which contain elements that are just as disgusting as what you constantly remind westerners here about (sins comitted in the past by westerners as they spread out into the wider world) whenever you're confronted with the very serious accusations of cultural genocide *today* against the Tibetans (they had about 6000 monestaries and all but a very few of those were destroyed by Beijing after Beijing got control over Tibet by means of military invasion and annexation!!) or the Uighurs.

but for more recent events, like the great famine caused by Mao, there *are* casualty counts..

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Death toll[edit]

Birth and death rate in China
Due to the lack of food and incentive to marry at that time, according to China's official statistics, China's population in 1961 was about 658,590,000, some 14,580,000 lower than in 1959.[23] The birth rate decreased from 2.922% (1958) to 2.086% (1960) and the death rate increased from 1.198% (1958) to 2.543% (1960), while the average numbers for 1962–1965 are about 4% and 1%, respectively.[23] The mortality in the birth and death rates both peaked in 1961 and began recovering rapidly after that, as shown on the chart of census data displayed on the left.[24][25] Some outlier estimates include 11 million by Utsa Patnaik, an Indian Marxist economist,[26][note 2] as well as 3.66 million by Sun Jingxian (孙经先), a Chinese mathematician.[27] It is widely believed that the government seriously under-reported death tolls: Lu Baoguo, a Xinhua reporter based in Xinyang, explained to Yang Jisheng why he never reported on his experience:[28]

In the second half of 1959, I took a long-distance bus from Xinyang to Luoshan and Gushi. Out of the window, I saw one corpse after another in the ditches. On the bus, no one dared to mention the dead. In one county, Guangshan, one-third of the people had died. Although there were dead people everywhere, the local leaders enjoyed good meals and fine liquor. ... I had seen people who had told the truth being destroyed. Did I dare to write it?

Yu Dehong, the secretary of a party official in Xinyang in 1959 and 1960, stated:[28]

I went to one village and saw 100 corpses, then another village and another 100 corpses. No one paid attention to them. People said that dogs were eating the bodies. Not true, I said. The dogs had long ago been eaten by the people.

• A research team of the Chinese Academy of Sciences concluded in 1989 that at least 15 million people died of malnutrition.[29]
• Li Chengrui (李成瑞), former Minister of the National Bureau of Statistics of China, estimated 22 million deaths (1998).[30][31][32] His estimate was based on the (27 million deaths[7][33]) estimated by Ansley J. Coale, and the (17 million deaths) estimated by Jiang Zhenghua (蒋正华), former Vice Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress.[30][34]
• Judith Banister, Director of Global Demographics at the Conference Board, estimated 30 million excess deaths from 1958-1961.[5][35][36]
• Jasper Becker, a British scholar, showed in his book Hungry Ghosts: Mao's Secret Famine that most estimates of the famine death toll range from 30-60 million.[37][38]
• Cao Shuji (曹树基), Distinguished Professor at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, estimated 32.5 million.[30][39][40][41]
• Yang Jisheng, senior journalist from Xinhua News Agency, concluded there were 36 million deaths due to starvation, while another 40 million others failed to be born, so that "China's total population loss during the Great Famine then comes to 76 million."[42][43]
• Mao Yushi, a Chinese economist and winner of the 2012 "Milton Friedman Prize for Advancing Liberty", put the death toll at 36 million[44]
• Liao Gailong (廖盖隆), former Vice Director of the History Research Unit of the CCP, reported 40 million "unnatural" deaths due to the famine.[29][45]
• Chen Yizi (陈一谘), a former senior Chinese official and a top advisor to former CCP General Secretary Zhao Ziyang, concluded that 43 million people died due to the famine.[46][47][48]
• Frank Dikötter, Chair Professor of Humanities at the University of Hong Kong and the author of Mao's Great Famine, estimated that at least 45 million people died from starvation, overwork and state violence during the Great Leap Forward, claiming his findings to be based on access to recently opened local and provincial party archives.[49][50] His study also stressed that state violence exacerbated the death toll. Dikötter claimed that at least 2.5 million of the victims were beaten or tortured to death.[51][52] His approach to the documents, as well as his claim to be the first author to use them, however, have been questioned by some other scholars.[53]Dikötter provides a graphic example of what happened to a family after one member was caught stealing some food:
  

  Liu Desheng, guilty of poaching a sweet potato, was covered in urine ... He, his wife, and his son were also forced into a heap of excrement. Then tongs were used to prise his mouth open after he refused to swallow excrement. He died three weeks later.[54]

• Yu Xiguang (余习广), an independent Chinese historian and a former instructor at the Central Party School of the Chinese Communist Party, estimated that 55 million people died due to the famine.[47][55][56][57] His conclusion was based on two decades of archival research.[47]

however, let me extend an olive branch here :

we achieve NOTHING if we only highlight the past failings of states / alliances other than our own.

we achieve a reduction in present and future suffering of the innocent, if we have the balls, the heart, and the brains to write well argumented emails to our own and our allies' mass media companies,political parties and intel organisations,
and perhaps even set up petitions on facebook in our own languages,
with the aim of addressing crimes against humanity (over here, we combat racism against all ethnicities and religions and sexual preferences these days, on a daily basis, in most of our mass media work) in our own ranks.

 

[TNT]

Flatout denying accusations of human rights abuse and at the same time flatout refusing to provide evidence of your innocence in such matters (past *and* present!), and then trying to derail the discussion about today and the near future with remarks about past sins by your discussion partners,
gets nothing done to prevent such suffering of the innocent by any government.

i have a habit of informing NATO, Russian and Chinese mass media companies, political parties, and intel organisation with ideas for preventing war and the suffering of the innocent.
now : do any of you China-supporters here do that?



ahum! i've tried to look for a simple reliable and independent casualty count of the many internal wars that China went through (+-200BC), but could find only battle descriptions, many of which contain elements that are just as disgusting as what you constantly remind westerners here about (sins comitted in the past by westerners as they spread out into the wider world) whenever you're confronted with the very serious accusations of cultural genocide *today* against the Tibetans (they had about 6000 monestaries and all but a very few of those were destroyed by Beijing after Beijing got control over Tibet by means of military invasion and annexation!!) or the Uighurs.

but for more recent events, like the great famine caused by Mao, there *are* casualty counts..

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

however, let me extend an olive branch here :

we achieve NOTHING if we only highlight the past failings of states / alliances other than our own.

we achieve a reduction in present and future suffering of the innocent, if we have the balls, the heart, and the brains to write well argumented emails to our own and our allies' mass media companies,political parties and intel organisations,
and perhaps even set up petitions on facebook in our own languages,
with the aim of addressing crimes against humanity (over here, we combat racism against all ethnicities and religions and sexual preferences these days, on a daily basis, in most of our mass media work) in our own ranks.

Petitions, letters, suggestions are u delusional? They all end up in dustbins and no one cares, maybe to save a puppy but that's it.
You comparing internal rivalries of other nations with"taking over" other nations? Every nation fought each other and killed each other, the westerners did that too for hundreds of years, but then they went out and found primitive nations, way backward in technology and military and wiped them out and took their lands. That too across continents, what kind of comparison are u doing? No nation have done such barbarity to others. Dont just wipe out ur evil past by saying move on. Atleast have some shame n dont claim to be champions of humanity. Other nations are way humane than the west. Your olive branch is nothing more than an excuse to forget the past. You will be judged by ur past as a nation and u cant change that, no matter how many freedom tricks u try. And by the way am not chinese, just stating the reality.

 

[PeaceGen]

Petitions, letters, suggestions are u delusional? They all end up in dustbins and no one cares, maybe to save a puppy but that's it.
You comparing internal rivalries of other nations with"taking over" other nations? Every nation fought each other and killed each other, the westerners did that too for hundreds of years, but then they went out and found primitive nations, way backward in technology and military and wiped them out and took their lands. That too across continents, what kind of comparison are u doing? No nation have done such barbarity to others. Dont just wipe out ur evil past by saying move on. Atleast have some shame n dont claim to be champions of humanity. Other nations are way humane than the west. Your olive branch is nothing more than an excuse to forget the past. You will be judged by ur past as a nation and u cant change that, no matter how many freedom tricks u try. And by the way am not chinese, just stating the reality.

you are a fool to judge me by the actions of my long-dead countrymen.
you are a fool to be stuck in the past while discussing the present times online.

 

[TNT]

you are a fool to judge me by the actions of my long-dead countrymen.
you are a fool to be stuck in the past while discussing the present times online.

Nations are judged the way an individual is, by his past criminal record. So ur a fool to think u can boast changing.

Your present is not any good either, killing muslims around the world and then claiming to care abt uighur muslims. Using false pretense to wage war on weaker countries. Using financial arm twisting to bring in favourite corrupt leaders and dictators. Or the fact that u want to even ban a dressing choice while preaching others abt freedom. What present are u talking abt? Go sell ur crap somewhere else.

 

[PeaceGen]

Nations are judged the way an individual is, by his past criminal record. So ur a fool to think u can boast changing.

Your present is not any good either, killing muslims around the world and then claiming to care abt uighur muslims. Using false pretense to wage war on weaker countries. Using financial arm twisting to bring in favourite corrupt leaders and dictators. Or the fact that u want to even ban a dressing choice while preaching others abt freedom. What present are u talking abt? Go sell ur crap somewhere else.

oh no, another hypocrite joins the chorus....

Category:Pakistani war crimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and thanks, but i'll keep pointing out your region's flaws, since you will do the same about my alliance of nations.

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

During my interview for Canadian citizenship they asked me who came first ? Chicken or the egg ? I said Justin Trudeau and to this day my file is in process . f liberals