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@ I find non of us here are the supporter of Jamaat. It is true that most of us hate Indian, definitely there are ample reasons for it. Indians each and every step is a conspiracy for Bangladesh.

@ Some of the members of Bangladesh here hate Jamaat-e-Islami. This they do without understanding the complex politics of this sub-continent.

@ Sometimes I realize they are the real patriot and in times of real crisis they would give their life for the very existance of Bangladesh. And we the people will just observe and sing the song of Rabindranath, " Tura sub joi'er dhoni kor".

@ The writings and songs of Tagore are like "Afime" for the real Bengalis. It is true that in 1971, the Jamati's and muslim oriented political parties opted for united Pakistan, what was the harm for it. Even majority Bengali people voted for united Pakistan not for separate Bangladesh. However, even after 41 yaers every one whether is Jamati or muslim leaquer all have accepted it.

@ If we still continue with this principle, pro-liberation and anti-liberation then I can forsee a civil war is inevitable.

@ Presently, we are completely isolated in the International politics. We donnot have a cordial relation with USA nor with the European Union. The relation with Islamic countries is extremely bad and that is why no economic aids from Middle East. Awami Leaque has miserable failed to maintain a good foreign policy. They are now only aligned with India and more recently with Russia. Russia is a dead horse.


Oh we very well understand the complex politics of this sub-continent; just like we understand how some Jamati brainfarts lie all the time to spread rumors and false propaganda. Your actions clearly show who you are. Why deny it?

Ar civil war er humki den miya? Bhoira dibo civil war ekdom! How dare you are. Openly supporting anti-liberation elements and their crimes and threatening of civil war when public demand is true justice.

Go to Shahbag and speak of civil war. People will show you what it really is!
 
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What the *** man! :O These for real? Ahahahaha! LMAO!

Lol man I guess the 7.5 by 1.5 inch claim was a bluff if you listen to the third video from 4:35 where his wife mocked him saying you dnt have that and at night you wont be able to satisfy her :P. But from the second video it is sure that he likes oral ;).

lmfao, totally killed the world sonapakhi for me :bad:

Not sonar pakhi ... it was sonar horinnn... n moina pakhi :P...
 
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Trying war crimes in Bangladesh

The trial of the birth of a nation

This week the chairman of Bangladesh’s International Crimes Tribunal resigned. We explain the background to his action, our role in the story, and what it all means for his country’s search for justice
Dec 15th 2012 |From the print edition

BANGLADESH suffered a violent birth. In the last days of 1971 the country then called East Pakistan was engulfed by torture, rape, mass-killing and other acts of genocide. The main perpetrators were Pakistani troops bent on preventing secession from “West Pakistan”. But the army had the support of many of East Pakistan’s fundamentalist groups, including Jamaat-e-Islami, which remains Bangladesh’s largest Islamic party. Estimates of the death toll vary from around 300,000 to the current government’s reckoning of 3m—one in 20 of the population at that time.

In 2010 Bangladesh established a tribunal to try those accused of war crimes. It is called the International Crimes Tribunal, though it is not an international court in the sense of being founded on international law. Rather it is a national court, based on a Bangladeshi statute passed in 1973 and amended in 2009 and 2012. It was very late to begin the search for justice, for the accused as well as for victims. But war crimes are subject to no statute of limitation.

The main perpetrators are not in the dock, since they are either dead or living in Pakistan. But some suspects are still leading prominent lives in Bangladesh. Ten people have been arrested and charged with offences ranging from individual acts of rape and murder to the ordering of mass executions. This week the first case—that of Delwar Hossain Sayeedi (pictured above), a member of parliament in 1996-2008 and a leader of Jamaat—seemed to be moving towards its fatal conclusion. His conviction, and presumed death sentence, was widely expected in mid-December.

At the last moment, however, the presiding judge, Mohammed Nizamul Huq, resigned as chairman of the tribunal, following questions put to him by The Economist and the publication in Bangladesh of private e-mails which cast doubt upon his role and upon the court proceedings. Recordings of him speaking by telephone were also available on YouTube. The Economist has seen these, and other materials, and has been investigating their accuracy and significance. This week, we publish the results of those investigations.

The e-mails and phone conversations we have seen raise profound questions about the trial. The material suggests the government tried to put pressure on Mr Nizamul, albeit he seems to have resisted it. It seems to show he worked improperly with a lawyer based in Brussels, and that the lawyer co-operated with the prosecution—raising questions about conflicts of interest. And in Mr Sayeedi’s case it points to the possibility that, even before the court had finished hearing testimony from the defence witnesses, Mr Nizamul was already expecting a guilty verdict.

These concerns are so serious that there is a risk not only of a miscarriage of justice affecting the individual defendants, but also that the wrongs which Bangladesh has already suffered will be aggravated by the flawed process of the tribunal. That would not heal the country’s wounds, but deepen them.

As well as being about the birth of the nation, the war-crimes trial also has enormous significance to today’s politics in Bangladesh. In the general election of 2008 the current prime minister, Sheikh Hasina, campaigned on a promise to set up the tribunal. The men in the dock include leaders or former leaders of Jamaat, which is allied with the main opposition group, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), led by Sheikh Hasina’s bitter foe, Khaleda Zia. Since Mrs Zia cannot win power without support from Jamaat, many people doubt that she would continue with the trials should she become prime minister. She has already condemned them as a “mockery”. Backers of the trials therefore wanted them wrapped up before the next general election, which is due around the end of 2013.

The 1973 act says that “if, in the course of the trial, any one of the members of the Tribunal is, for any reason, unable to attend to any sitting thereof, the trial may continue before the other members.” The evidence we have seen, though, suggests that a full reconsideration of proceedings may now be required.

“Absolutely crazy for a judgment”

The first part of that evidence raises questions about the government’s behaviour.It suggests the tribunal came under political pressure to speed proceedings up, even though Bangladesh guarantees the independence of the judiciary. In a conversation of October 14th, between Mr Nizamul and Ahmed Ziauddin, the Brussels-based lawyer of Bangladeshi origin, the judge refers to the government as “absolutely crazy for a judgment. The government has gone totally mad. They have gone completely mad, I am telling you. They want a judgment by 16th December...it’s as simple as that.” December 16th, known as Victory Day in Bangladesh, is the anniversary of the surrender by Pakistani forces in the war of independence.

So determined was the government to hurry matters along that Mr Nizamul and Mr Ziauddin worried that ministers were pushing too hard. “We have to make them understand that it [the verdict] is not a product that you just ask for it and it will be delivered from the machine,” Mr Ziauddin said later in that same conversation.“But we are not in a position to make them understand. Even then we have to try, we have to speak to them.”

It is one thing to push for an early verdict, another to attempt to intervene in the trial to secure one. That seems to have happened, too. In a conversation the next day, Mr Nizamul described how a member of the government “came to visit me this evening. He asked me to pass this verdict fast. I told him ‘how can I do that?’... He said, ‘Try as quick as you can.’”

In a phone interview on December 5th, the judge denied that he had come under political pressure and declared he was master of his own court. “We do proceed according to our own wish,” he said. “We are following our own proceeding according to our own system and own choice.”

Elsewhere in the material we were shown, however, it is Mr Nizamul’s independence that is in question. He is a Supreme Court judge and remains one after resigning as chairman of the tribunal. (A tribunal has between three and five judges; there is no jury.) Mr Ziauddin, the man he is communicating with, is an expatriate Bangladeshi who is an academic specialising in international law. He is the director of the Bangladesh Centre for Genocide Studies in Belgium. The two men have known each other for 25 years, as they were human-rights campaigners and Mr Ziauddin’s late brother had been a student friend of the judge.

The adviser

In the material shown to us, Mr Ziauddin emerges as an important figure in the trial—offering advice, urging Mr Nizamul to do this or that, and supplying him with news and drafts of court documents. In general, judges are required to be extremely careful about discussing details of cases with third parties because that could lead to bias or the impression that they have come under the influence of someone who has nothing to do with the proceedings. This requirement is embodied in Bangladesh’s constitution, which says “the chief justice and other judges shall be independent in the exercise of their judicial functions.” The judges’ code of conduct confirms that “an independent judiciary is indispensable to the justice system in Bangladesh.”

Perhaps, however, there are extenuating circumstances in this particular case. Though the tribunal is a domestic court, its officers seem eager to measure up to the standards set by international war-crimes tribunals. The tribunal is short of resources. It might be understandable if Mr Nizamul quietly talked to an international expert in order to improve the quality of the tribunal’s work.

That is what Mr Nizamul argued. The order of December 6th explains that the tribunal is based on “new law”, so the judges needed to “take the assistance of researchers from inside and outside the country”. It names Mr Ziauddin as just such an expert. “During the proceedings of the trial and order the Chairman also took assistance from him,” it says.

Speaking to The Economist on December 4th, Mr Ziauddin said something similar. “It’s up to judges to decide where they are going to get research support or other support they need. They are quite entitled to do it. The more so when they really don’t have that research backup [in Bangladesh]. [They ask for help] if they feel if there are people more informed about the issue, especially where [international law] is so new in Bangladesh...I’m not really advising him, but if there is a question then I try to respond.”

Yet the characterisation in the order and from Mr Ziauddin contradicts what the judge told us in an interview on December 5th. On the evening before issuing the order, Mr Nizamul admitted that he and Mr Ziauddin talk but denied that the expatriate had a part in preparing documents. “As judges, we cannot take help from third person and outsiders,” he said. Asked whether they sometimes exchange e-mails about the tribunal, he says “No, no, no, regarding tribunal...no talks regarding the judgment or regarding the proceedings, no.” Later he said, “A Supreme Court judge, we do not talk even with our wife regarding the tribunal.”

In his interview on the previous day, Mr Ziauddin also took the view that judges must be careful about speaking to third parties during a trial. He told us that he has “No official standing [with the court]. No relationship whatsoever.” He can send the judge messages if he wants—but “generally though I don’t,” he said, “he’s a judge after all.”

Of course, judges can take advice. But any adviser is usually given an official role, known to prosecution and defence. Also as a general rule, advisers tend to stick to their areas of expertise—giving advice on knotty points of law, for example.

Mr Ziauddin does not seem to meet these requirements. Before the tribunal’s order on December 6th his role had not been disclosed to the court or the public. And his advice seems to go beyond particular points of law to include, for example, the drafting of charges. The 17 hours of conversations available to The Economist took place between August 28th and October 20th this year—the equivalent of almost 20 minutes every day. The two men also exchanged more than 230 e-mails in the 12 months to September. Many of these contacts suggest that Mr Ziauddin was involved in aspects of the trial that go beyond what would be permitted to a court adviser or anyone else. Each particular accusation might appear to be modest, or might be explained away. Taken together, they suggest a disturbing pattern.

First, Mr Ziauddin appears to have helped prepare documents for the tribunal, which the judge said would be improper. On May 12th the Brussels-based lawyer sent Mr Nizamul a document called “GhulamAzamChargesFinalDraft”; it was a slightly revised version of a charge sheet he had sent six days earlier. The next day, May 13th, the tribunal issued its indictment against Mr Azam, whom the two men usually refer to as “the big one”. It was identical to Mr Ziauddin’s document. In interviews with us, both men denied that Mr Ziauddin helped prepare documents for the court.

Second, their discussions ranged beyond the realm of technical advice. On September 6th Mr Nizamul said: “I am a bit afraid about Shahinur [Shahinur Islam, a tribunal judge]. Because he is too inclined to the international standard. It...was in my mind—and prosecutors also complained to me—that he brought the references of foreign tribunals in every order.” Mr Ziauddin replied, “he has to be stopped from doing that or he has to be removed from there...If he does not stop he has to go as well, because it is so harmful to us.” Here, Mr Ziauddin talks as if he can recommend the dismissal of judges.

“Very anxious”

Again, on November 26th 2011 Mr Nizamul (who is known informally as Nasim) sent Mr Ziauddin an e-mail about an important defence petition. His message reads in full: “Subject: Order. not yet received. very anxious. please send by this night bd [Bangladesh] time, otherwise, i will follow my own one. Nasim.” Mr Nizamul’s e-mail suggests that he considered Mr Ziauddin’s arguments to have primacy over his own.

Third, material we have seen suggests that Mr Ziauddin was communicating with the prosecution and judge about the same issues at the same time. On November 8th 2011 he e-mailed Mr Nizamul a list of matters raised by a defence petition that the judge recuse himself from the trial. The first five items on the list are materials and documents that, the e-mail says, were to be supplied to Mr Nizamul by Zaed-al-Malum, the chief prosecutor at the tribunal. It was perfectly proper for the judge to receive such materials, which do not appear to concern matters that might be disputed in court. It is also possible that the prosecutor was the person best placed to supply them. Even so, it is curious that, on a matter of procedure, the chief prosecutor is being asked to help by someone who is also advising the judge.

The connection between judge, prosecution and adviser seemed to have continued. On December 11th 2011 Mr Ziauddin sent an e-mail to two prosecutors, including Mr Malum, apparently giving help with the case against Mr Azam and tips on how to present their arguments. He forwarded this advice to Mr Nizamul the same day. Speaking to us, Mr Ziauddin acknowledged knowing Mr Malum, who is acting for his family in unrelated matters. But he denies improper contact about the cases before the tribunal, and Mr Malum has not replied to our inquiries.

The material we have seen therefore suggests three things: that Mr Ziauddin had an influence over how the prosecution framed its case and how the court framed its indictment; that Mr Ziauddin told the judge in his December 2011 e-mail about how prosecutors might develop their case; and that after the prosecutors laid their charges, the judge accepted guidance about the formal accusations from Mr Ziauddin directly.

Lastly, in the case of Mr Sayeedi, an e-mail from Mr Ziauddin to Mr Nizamul refers to a shared Google document called “Sayeedi judgment”. This document says “last edit was made on October 14”. At this time, Mr Sayeedi’s lawyers were still presenting his defence to the court. The document consists of a series of subjects (“list of testimonies”, “procedural history”; “challenges”, etc). Presumably details were to be filled in later. The final headings, and the only two in capitals, read: “CONVICTION/BASIS” and “SENTENCING”.

Courts often start work on long judgments before the end of a trial and Mr Nizamul could have amended his structure to replace “conviction” with “acquittal”. However, on his own showing, that was not what was happening. He denied to us he had been working on the document in October. “Delwar Hussain’s judgment has not been even started then,” he said.

Legitimate questions

The judge called our allegations “absolutely absurd” and “all false”. Mr Ziauddin argued there were other explanations for our findings but—after the court order telling The Economist to appear before it—said he would make no further comment. We do not believe he has broken any laws and cannot be held responsible for the actions of others. In addition, our investigations have not covered any aspect of the defence’s approach to this tribunal. Nevertheless, we believe that, taken together, the material shown to us raises legitimate questions about due process that the Bangladeshi authorities should now investigate thoroughly. These investigations are the more urgent in the light of Mr Nizamul’s resignation.

Trying war crimes in Bangladesh: The trial of the birth of a nation | The Economist
 
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Its really amusing to see a gathering of Clowns singing & dancing under police protection compared to tharir square. Who R they protesting against.
-The ICT was set by the gov which was controversial from the beginning.
- If the gov wanted they could have induced a death sentence by the court. What stooped them from doing so when they went on giving life sentence based on hearsay witnesses. Does it take rocket science to figure this drama out.:cheesy:
- Its open gathering of BAL and commie malauns. its no problem for a party like BAL to gather a few 1000 people. But with these epic farts by these dalals R pushing the country to chaos & anarchy.
 
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Forty-two years. That's how long Bangladeshis have awaited justice for the horrific crimes committed against them during their fight for liberation from Pakistan. And on February 5, 2013, Abdul Quader Mollah, the secretary general of Bangladesh's Islamist party Jamaat-e Islami was sentenced to life in prison for murder, rape, torture and other crimes committed during the 1971 liberation war.

But tens of thousands feel that justice has not been served. They want him hanged. And they are occupying capital city Dhaka's Shahbagh intersection to show their resolve. Protests are spreading like wild fire across the country.

Jamaat-e Islami rejected Mollah's verdict and enforced a dawn-to-dusk strike on Tuesday and Wednesday disrupting life in the country.
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Bloggers played a vital role in building pressure to try Mollah and other accused war criminals, many of whom are politicians with the Islamist party, and expedite a process that has been on hold for 42 years.

So its no surprise that bloggers are central to organizing the ongoing protests. The Bloggers and Online Activists Network (BOAN) created a Facebook event to invite people to occupy Shahbagh square, protest against the strike and demand the death penalty for Mollah. About 70,000 people have been invited to event and more than 7000 people have confirmed they are joining.
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Its really amusing to see a gathering of Clowns singing & dancing under police protection compared to tharir square. Who R they protesting against.
-The ICT was set by the gov which was controversial from the beginning.
- If the gov wanted they could have induced a death sentence by the court. What stooped them from doing so when they went on giving life sentence based on hearsay witnesses. Does it take rocket science to figure this drama out.:cheesy:
- Its open gathering of BAL and commie malauns. its no problem for a party like BAL to gather a few 1000 people. But with these epic farts by these dalals R pushing the country to chaos & anarchy.

All these verdict was manufactured before even trial ended. Read the economist article. In future if there is wrongful death case none of these clowns would be found. Awami leaders will take shelter in india and these clowns in the street will be left to hold the bag.

This is also setting presidence for trying Awami Leaders for anti state activities and crimes just need a gathering in Shahabag. Although there are plenty of solid proof against Awami League crime against Bangladesh already, starting with killing of 52 Bangladeshi army officers with indian sponsorship.

an e-mail from Mr Ziauddin to Mr Nizamul refers to a shared Google document called “Sayeedi judgment”. This document says “last edit was made on October 14”. At this time, Mr Sayeedi’s lawyers were still presenting his defence to the court. The document consists of a series of subjects (“list of testimonies”, “procedural history”; “challenges”, etc). Presumably details were to be filled in later. The final headings, and the only two in capitals, read: “CONVICTION/BASIS” and “SENTENCING”

http://www.economist.com/news/brief...rnational-crimes-tribunal-resigned-we-explain
 
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I don't know how they will change the punishment of court against Kader Molla. It is really surprised me and i think they have nothing to do so that they do the drama :D .

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Farabi Bangladesh
 
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I don't know how they will change the punishment of court against Kader Molla. It is really surprised me and i think they have nothing to do so that they do the drama :D .

Thanks
Farabi Bangladesh

The life sentence verdict may well be a disguised to show the world that the Judges R not being pressurized and they can claim that see "our party supporters R not happy with the neutral verdict". International Pressure would have kept on mounting on the credibility, fairness of the upcoming verdicts and they would have had no way to hang others. Now BAL is defacto pressurizing the Judges by this drama so that they give death penalty to the others regardless of what normal typical judgement(this ICT is not normal) & inner conscience of the judges dictates. Mullah is not the target of this drama, the others R. And any controversy & credibility question surrounding the conduct of ICT can be countered as "people's aspirations" staged by this shabag drama. Pretty well worked out plan IMO. Whether this drama will be a success or not remain to be seen, but the country is being pushed to chaos & anarchy.
 
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Jamaat leaders issued threats of civil war and said they would enforce non-stop hartals if anything went against Quader Mollah.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/233660-shahbagh-square-new-rise-5.html#ixzz2KCaXlocR

Now I know why some BD memebers were shouting civil war yesterday! :lol:

Same here man. :)

It means I enjoy grinding Indian meat. ;p

So you were not uncomfortable of giant d i c k s approaching you and now you want to grind Indian meat! :lol:

I'm getting the idea, it seems we have been wrong all along taking Zab as lady when our very own apo has been hiding her dirty lil secret so long!

Good going Apa__mEaTgRiNdEr! :lol:

*Apa in Bangladeshi dialect means older sister.
 
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Not only communists. league also.... They invited me today and asked me to Join them this evening..many of my friends are going.. Its just 5 minute away from my hostel room. Its like a picnic! They assured me of my safety as a BNP activist... biriani is available also.... Am not going though!! Tired and missing PDF!!! So going back home.
 
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Not only communists. league also.... They invited me today and asked me to Join them this evening..many of my friends are going.. Its just 5 minute away from my hostel room. Its like a picnic! They assured me of my safety as a BNP activist... biriani is available also.... Am not going though!! Tired and missing PDF!!! So going back home.

Actually this is the point in Du dmc are very near to shabag area any student pass by the lane may pay a peek at the mockery of BAL and communist which making the crowd big . just reading today Chatra league also join them . If the general people reaaly care about so called Manabatar birudde oporadh then what hteh hell they were doing in last 40 years ? how Kader molla compleat his MA in DU in 1972 and work as a teacher in uddowon school ? he is accused of killing 344 people then why a single pwerson make any GD against him . how could just 12 witness 8 of whom didn't saw him just heard he killed some sone ?
 
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